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04:20 < kanzure> probably not
04:27 < kanzure> "We know that eugenics efforts cannot produce any remarkable or decisive selection for increased cognitive abilities. We know this because eugenics is a sort of hobby-horse form of evolution, across handfuls of generations, and because evolution cannot, taken over thousands of generations, select any more strongly for increased cognitive abilities than it already has. If it could, it would; thus we must conclude that it can’t."
04:27 < kanzure> lolwat? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10485032
04:31 < kanzure> selective breeding and the amish https://infotomb.com/0q783.pdf
04:31 < kanzure> "amish quotient" hehe
04:41 < kanzure> peripheral nervous system stimulation for organ healing darpa reasons http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2014-08-26
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05:24 < kanzure> rebellion status: not crushed
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06:42 < FourFire> kanzure, yeah I don't need to elaborate on why that HN post is retarded.
06:42 < kanzure> just another strange intersection of wat on the internet
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09:41 < kanzure> "ions Cite Save More
09:41 < kanzure> jeiroqjrq
09:42 < kanzure> fahy's "The Future of Aging Pathways to Human Life Extension" http://www.sciencevsaging.org/sites/sciencevsaging/files/library/the-future-of-aging.pdf
09:43 < fenn> i've heard the exact same arguments made against "eugenics" (or whatever it is people think eugenics means) being applied against the idea of nootropics, "if it were possible to increase intelligence so easily, nature would have done so"
09:43 < fenn> i find this argument strange because it's demonstrably false
09:44 < fenn> like, here are these people who actually perform better on intelligence tests, because {genetics, nootropics, whatever}
09:44 < fenn> but for some reason that doesn't count as a counterargument
09:46 < kanzure> "if it's possible to lift heavier things, then nature would have done so by now"
09:46 < kanzure> also, there remains a lot of fluff around "genetic potential" or in FourFire's case "cognitive potential"
09:49 < fenn> i have no idea what that means
09:49 < kanzure> "genetic potential", like, "that possibility is not within range of the existing potential" or something
09:50 < kanzure> some sort of dualism of potentiality possessed by objects, i dunno man
09:50 < fenn> i'm pretty sure things just are what the are
09:50 < fenn> they*
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09:50 < kanzure> "potential" is often used as scapegoat in bodybuilding circles
09:51 < fenn> yea that's what i was thinking
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09:51 < fenn> it makes more sense if exercise is involved, but so far we have zero evidence that mental exercise might improve cognition
09:51 < kanzure> so your potential is x, but then someone shows you how protein recombination works, so what the hell is your "potential" now?
09:52 < kanzure> er, recombinant proteins*
09:55 < kanzure> they should probably just focus on talking about diminishing returns instead of potentials
09:58 < kanzure> "The law of diminishing returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant ("ceteris paribus"), will at some point yield lower incremental per-unit returns.[5] ... Cost can also be measured in terms of opportunity cost. In this case the law also applies to societies – the opportunity cost of producing a single unit of a good generally increases as a society ...
09:58 < kanzure> ... attempts to produce more of that good. This explains the bowed-out shape of the production possibilities frontier."
09:58 < kanzure> didn't know this was an economics concept, but whatever, i'll take it
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14:02 < kanzure> huh, the nanosystems book has an entire chapter on epistemology
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14:36 < kanzure> thync is spamming me now ("more than a million minutes of [promised result x] delivered!" gah
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14:59 < kanzure> disappointed by lack of follow-on work to "Searching the Internet for evidence of time travelers"
15:00 < kanzure> https://thewinnower.s3.amazonaws.com/discussions/grain/26/what-happened-when-we-tried-to-publish-a-real-paper-investigating-time-travel.pdf
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15:09 < kanzure> "On the money-wasted angle, when doing a Reddit interview about the manuscript, I respond to a question about how this research was funded with the fake answer that we used money left over from our study "Does Tax Payer Money Burn Any Better Than Regular Money?" (Nemiroff & Wilson 2014). In reality, this was an unfunded project."
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15:24 < fenn> they just searched for "pope francis" and "comet ISON" - that's it? i would have rejected the paper too
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16:04 < kanzure> "Fast, Exact, Linear Booleans" http://www.gilbertbernstein.com/resources/booleans2009.pdf
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16:09 < kanzure> https://github.com/mkeeter/antimony
16:09 < kanzure> https://github.com/mkeeter/kokopelli
16:09 < kanzure> mkeeter says kokopelli is not kokompe
16:11 < kanzure> cad google hangout chat was v. weird; "we're a journal club, we can't assign each other to read source code!"
16:11 < kanzure> max wat
16:14 < kanzure> they emailed out chat log, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/cad/cad-discuss-mit.edu.hangout.001.txt
16:15 < kanzure> but since it was video, i have no idea what was mentioned
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16:25 < kanzure> i was surprised by the relucatance to read existing source code. i mean yes it sucks, but "let's make it parallel and do gpu things" was more prominent concern than basic stuff like source code quality, unit testing, good design and architecture.
16:25 < kanzure> oops i mean "yes the existing source code often sucks"
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16:39 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BC9daxWrL8
16:39 < yoleaux> Darth Vader & The Emperor in German (Pt. 5) - YouTube
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19:31 < kanzure> hmm i guess i should check who this is http://www.meetup.com/Biohack-Austin/
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19:36 < justanotheruser> >spiritual bodies
19:38 < kanzure> :-/
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21:56 < abetusk> for some reason MIT alum doing CAD are in love with Lisp and it's descendants.  kanzure, you attended the hangout?  Anything interesting come out of it?
22:05 < maaku> abetusk: you said MIT, so Lisp is to be expected
22:06 < abetusk> seems like an anachronism at this point
22:22 < maaku> abetusk: ... really?
22:22 < maaku> what would you prefer?
22:25 < abetusk> A modern language?
22:25 < maaku> meaning?
22:26 < maaku> most 'modern' languages are regressions in terms of expresivity, and I begrudgingly say that as a non-Lisper
22:27 < abetusk> Lisp is a language designed to be simple.  It's designed to be easy to implement, not necessarily to be good at expressing ideas
22:27 < abetusk> look, I don't want to get into a language war, who cares
22:28 < maaku> :shrug: just don't knock something 'cause it's old
22:32 < abetusk> ok, I'll be sure to give APL, Fortran, COBOL, Ada, ALGOL, Forth and Basic the reverence they deserve
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