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06:06 < archels> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XdC1HUp-rU&
06:06 < yoleaux> da Vinci Robot Stitches a Grape Back Together - YouTube
06:07 < chris_99> impressive
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06:44 < kanzure> http://davincisurgery.com/
06:45 < chris_99> i actually thought it was doing the grape surgery autonomously but alas not
06:45 < chris_99> still cool though
06:47 < archels> nah definitely not, we ain't there yet
07:18 < kanzure> what's a good way to distinguish between a pdf page number and the page number lies written on the pdf page?
07:18 < kanzure> when i tell someone to look at pdf page 19 how do i tell them i really mean pdf page 19 and not page 19?
07:19 < Aurelius_Work> 'file page 19'?
07:20 < kanzure> which one is the file?
07:20 < kanzure> still ambiguous
07:20 < Aurelius_Work> hmm
07:20 < Aurelius_Work> 'go to the 19th page as indicated by the pdf reader rather than indicated on the page' :P
07:20 < maaku> kanzure: numbered page 19
07:21 < kanzure> they are both numbered! gah
07:21 < kanzure> this is less ambiguous: "pdf-viewer-numbered page 19"
07:21 < maaku> ok guess that one didn't work (to me "numbered" means physically marked on the page)
07:24 < kanzure> nonauthor-page-number 19
07:24 < kanzure> screw it, we should just write a script to fix page numbers in broken pdf files
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07:29 < poppingtonic> Yeah, I've always just memorized the page-number-on-pdf to the page-number-in-pdf-viewer in my head, and added them in my head
07:29 < poppingtonic> I've just decided that that's just too much makework.
07:34 < kanzure> pdf page numbers should be in hex, since no document uses hex page numbering
07:34 < kanzure> pdf page 0x1
07:34 < kanzure> problem solved
07:34 < pompolic> PoC or GTFO might, actually
07:35 < pompolic> or is that the chapter numbers
07:35 < kanzure> damn it
07:36 < kanzure> the problem with automatically fixing the labeled page numbers is that the text might refer to pages. so you have to keep the labels unfortunately. you could use color coding perhaps, like "pdf red page number 5". and then print red text in one of the free corners.
07:38 < kanzure> "digital page number" could work. it's slightly ambiguous but i think people would realize there is a distinction between data and what the digital data says.
07:39 < FAMAS> greetings
07:41 < poppingtonic> pompolic: those are just chapter numbers. Also, the volume numbers
07:49 < archels> kanzure: use PDF authoring software that handles them correctly (i.e. lines them up so they match)
07:50 < archels> otherwise maybe something like "the 42nd sheet"
07:50 < poppingtonic> archels: you mean, actually edit the pdf? like using FoxIt?
07:50 < archels> yeah
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08:20 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10653179
08:20 < yoleaux> Why FPGA manufacturers keep their bitstream formats secret | Hacker News
08:23 < juri_> kanzure: working on it. ;)
08:24 < poppingtonic> ooh kanzure is the hn discussion more interesting than the article?
08:25 < kanzure> well it mentions clifford wolf's work on the ice thingy. but we already knew about that (see logs).
08:25 < kanzure> so other than that, skippable
08:25 < kanzure> "it" == HN comments
08:26 < poppingtonic> Here's the ice thingy http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/
08:30 < kanzure> have there been any cochlear implant control groups with healthy hearing that received functioning cochlear implants?
08:32 < kanzure> i see a few studies where the two test groups are "some old people with hearing loss" and "some middle-aged adults wth hearing loss". how is that a control group? wtf
08:35 < kanzure> apparently some parents teach their infants to use sign language since they pick that up faster than speech http://www.mybabycantalk.com/content/information/research/Impact%20of%20Symbolic%20Gesturing.pdf
08:35 < kanzure> but that's not quite what i was looking for heh
08:37 < kanzure> surely there's at least one cochlear implant recipient that got an implant as a child but later found out that he has perfectly fine hearing. and now has extra audio input.
08:41 < kanzure> 08:41 < Act> kanzure: oooh. can you stream music direct to cochlear implants?
08:42 < kanzure> 08:41 < kanzure> no, because they are proprietary and evil
08:42 < kanzure> 08:41 < kanzure> but other than that, in theory yes
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08:51 < kanzure> "Fewer than 1% of deaf individuals have a missing or damaged auditory nerve, which today can be treated with an auditory brainstem implant."
08:53 < poppingtonic> kanzure your conversation with Act reminds me of Cory Doctorow's perennial talk subject: DRM locking up the-miniature-turing-complete-computer-in-your-ear
08:54 < poppingtonic> Is anyone here backing up libgen?
08:54 < poppingtonic> or scihub?
08:54 < kanzure> scihub creator once showed up in here
08:55 < kanzure> she is currently busy with the elsevier lawsuit
08:55 < kanzure> *allged scihub creator
08:55 < kanzure> *alleged scihub creator
08:55 < kanzure> as far as i know, libgen backups are currently hindered by lack of contact with libgen people. i'm willing to send someone to russia with hard drives if necessary but need more details about where to go.
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11:27 < nmz787_i> sup
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11:38 < cluckj> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
11:39 < cluckj> I "have to" grant ProQuest a license to profit off my dissertation in order to submit it to my university
11:39 < kanzure> proquest has an exclusive deal with your university?
11:39 < cluckj> yeah
11:39 < kanzure> hahaha
11:39 < cluckj> there's no "download it from sci-hub, you shitheads" option
11:40 < kanzure> your university doesn't archive its own theses?
11:40 < cluckj> they do!
11:40 < cluckj> they've "streamlined" the thesis submission process to grant proquest a monopoly on the submission process
11:40 < cluckj> we'll fuckin' see about that
11:41 < cluckj> I'm tempted to make an egregious copyright violation in my introduction so that they can't secure the rights (and consequently can't publish it)
11:41 < cluckj> a big picture of mickey mouse or something...
11:41 < chris_99> heh
11:43 < nmz787_i> wow
11:43 < nmz787_i> that sounds sucky
11:44 < nmz787_i> is there anyway you can argue it "you didn't tell me I had to give this away when I was admitted 5 years ago"
11:44 < nmz787_i> or something
11:44 < cluckj> maybe
11:44 < cluckj> I'm asking my advisor about it now
11:44 < cluckj> this is pretty much a deal breaker, though
11:44 < nmz787_i> or can you just upload to the web now, before giving it to them?
11:45 < nmz787_i> pre-print or something?
11:45 < nmz787_i> and include a link in the submitted version too, or something
11:45 < nmz787_i> so anyone accessing via payway can find the non-paywalled link for sharing
11:46 < cluckj> oh, like put a link in the abstract?
11:47 < cluckj> I dunno, I'm finding out now if I can opt-out of granting them a license
11:47 < nmz787_i> idk if you could get away with that
11:47 < nmz787_i> i mean putting  a link in the abstract
11:47 < cluckj> yeah
11:48 < nmz787_i> it would seem like you'd need some leverage to get around their protocols... like if publication of your results will get the uni funding or something
11:48 < chris_99> does it mean you're not allowed to self host your thesis?
11:49 < nmz787_i> "well if it isn't free, it isn't publishable"  "I'll quit school right now"
11:49 < nmz787_i> haha
11:49 < cluckj> I (will) have the copyright on it, so I can do whatever I want with it
11:49 < chris_99> ah cool
11:49 < nmz787_i> but you can't make money on it?
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11:49 < nmz787_i> or rather, you have to watch proquest make money on it
11:49 < cluckj> I can grant my university a CC 3.0 license
11:49 < cluckj> it's a non-exclusive license
11:49 < cluckj> (for proquest)
11:50 < nmz787_i> too bad you can't use some infectious license, whereby all of proquest could be legally challenged to be opened up
11:50 < nmz787_i> a single one-line clause in your publication, in super-small type....
11:50 < cluckj> parasitic licenses for the parasitic dissertation
11:51 < nmz787_i> some phone-home javascript baked into the PDF
11:51 < nmz787_i> that calls out from proquest
11:51 < cluckj> I'm perfectly happy granting my university a license, but fuck proquest right in its ear
11:51 < nmz787_i> the "just dumped your server keys" clause
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11:52 < cluckj> I totally need to add a couple sentences of lowkey hate on proquest in the section where I talk about journal piracy and resistance to open-access models
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12:05 < chris_99> has anyone ever looked into ECG biometrics for passwords out of interest
12:05 < chris_99> i mean i know it's done, but does it work well
12:06 < Stskeeps> chris_99: unrelated, but did you know of vein authentication? http://biowatch.ch ish
12:06 < chris_99> i did not, just loading that up :)
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12:07 < chris_99> does it work with an IR camera or something
12:08 < chris_99> their website is v. slow for me
12:08 < Stskeeps> not sure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vein_matching
12:08 < chris_99> mm that meantions IR light
12:09 < chris_99> i'd assume ECG may be cheaper in terms of hardware possibly
12:16 < cluckj> oh boy
12:16 < cluckj> "you have to do it, but you can CC license it too"
12:18 < cluckj> http://library.rpi.edu/update.do?artcenterkey=1389
12:19 < nmz787_i> chris_99: i could see that being hard to use... someone could denial-of-service attack you by just constantly annoying you so you couldn't achieve the same brain-state, I think
12:21 < nmz787_i> "And, for an additional fee, you may also authorize ProQuest to make electronic copies of your dissertation available as an “open access” publication."
12:22 < nmz787_i> "Rensselaer has participated in the ProQuest Dissertation Service since the early 1950's. This voluntary program for universities was established by an act of the U.S. Congress to preserve doctoral dissertations on microfilm and to promote the dissemination of original research at a national level."
12:22 < nmz787_i> huh
12:22 < nmz787_i> now I want to listen to the Folsom Prison song by Johnny Cash
12:23 < nmz787_i> 'stuck in Folsom prison, reading these theses til I die..."
12:25 < cluckj> yeah seriously
12:25 < cluckj> the fee is $95, and they are still granted a license to print copies
12:26 < archels> is there an argument to make for the case that we shouldn't use biometrics for identification?
12:26 < cluckj> maybe I can revoke their license asap
12:29 < cluckj> hmmm
12:31 < nmz787_i> cluckj: well allowing them to print it seems OK, or letting them shove it into the library of Congress (unless the Folsom library is some local campus library)... who else is going to do it?
12:31 < cluckj> the folsom library is a local campus library :)
12:32 < cluckj> Grant of Rights. Author hereby grants to ProQuest the non-exclusive, worldwide right to reproduce, distribute, display and transmit the Work (in whole or in part) in such tangible and electronic formats as may be in existence now or developed in the future. Author further grants to ProQuest the right to include the abstract, bibliography and other metadata in the ProQuest Dissertations and Theses database (PQDT) and in P
12:32 < cluckj> roQuest's Dissertation Abstracts International and any successor or related index and/or finding products or services.
12:35 < kanzure> oh, non-exclusive proquest license. meh.
12:36 < cluckj> yeah
12:36 < cluckj> they need to get that in before I can release it under a CC license
12:36 < ButaTine> Stskeeps, we sell computers with vein scanners at work.
12:36 < Stskeeps> ButaTine: cool :)
12:36 < ButaTine> I could run some tests on one if you like.
12:37 < ButaTine> higher end laptops they are though, unlikely to be cost effective if you buy them for the sensor.
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12:58 < chris_99> nmz787_i, sorry was afk, it's ECG rather than EEG
12:59 < ButaTine> chris_99, isn't it the same signal measuring method, just different interpretation of the collected data?
13:00 < chris_99> i think EEG amps might amplifier more, and they're placed in different areas of the body
13:00 < chris_99> *amplify
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13:05 < nmz787_i> chris_99: I guess ECG would pose the same challenge... heart rate is modulated by annoyance, fear, shock, etc
13:06 < chris_99> apparently they don't look at the bpm though
13:06 < nmz787_i> i still imagine the pattern would change
13:06 < nmz787_i> i guess that could be learned though
13:06 < nmz787_i> the training wouldn't be quick I guess
13:07 < nmz787_i> it would need to watch your heart to really find the 'golden' pattern... or some set of possible patterns
13:07 < nmz787_i> I'd also guess that drugs and brain injuries would change the pattern too
13:08 < chris_99> or developing arrhythmia
13:08 < nmz787_i> yeah
13:08 < nmz787_i> something like that
13:11 < nmz787_i> chris_99: seen any cheap sources for optical probes with an SMA connector? something like this http://www.avantes.com/products/fiber-optics/item/254-transmission-dip-probe-with-variable-path-length
13:11 < nmz787_i> seems this is pretty much the only thing I'm lacking now for practical use of my spectrometer
13:11 < chris_99> don't that surplus science place sell them
13:12 < chris_99> for $20
13:12 < nmz787_i> or some sort of coupler for a cuvette
13:12 < nmz787_i> oh, lemme check
13:13 < chris_99> i thought they came with them
13:13 < chris_99> normally
13:14 < nmz787_i> pretty nice site: http://amasci.com/suppliers.html
13:14 < nmz787_i> it came with a fiber patch cable
13:14 < nmz787_i> but not a probe
13:15 < nmz787_i> I was with a friend last night who was doing some color-change reactions and I was looking in the box I got with the spectrometer
13:16 < chris_99> whats the difference between a probe and patch? does one have a lens on
13:16 < chris_99> or something
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13:20 < chris_99> oh i see
13:20 < chris_99> it has some kind of reflector on?
13:21 < chris_99> oh and it transmits light
13:21 < chris_99> well that is handy
13:22 < nmz787_i> the patch is just one-to-one (input goes to output, or visa versa)
13:22 < chris_99> yeah i see now
13:22 < chris_99> how much does a dip probe cost
13:22 < nmz787_i> idk !
13:23 < nmz787_i> ocean optics has a few, but no prices :/
13:23 < chris_99> :(
13:23 < nmz787_i> so I can't buy one (quickly, at least) even if it was expensive
13:23 < chris_99> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Fiber-optic-dip-transmission-probes_108914029.html?spm=a2700.7724838.38.1.v4Mc59
13:23 < chris_99> no price
13:24 < nmz787_i> huh, well here's a $6 one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reflection-type-Photoelectric-optical-fiber-amplifier-sensor-probe-M4-/331559354508?hash=item4d327a408c:g:3MMAAOSwaNBUkR0H
13:24 < nmz787_i> but it doesn't appear to have the connectors on the ends
13:24 < chris_99> doesn't seem to say the wavelength?
13:26 < nmz787_i> no :/
13:26 < chris_99> also is that the dip type?
13:26 < chris_99> or is it just two bundles pointing out?
13:26 < nmz787_i> no idea
13:27 < chris_99> a dip one could be perfect to just shove in a fermenter :)
13:27 < nmz787_i> i think the dip is usually two fibers pointing out, and then there's some kind of reflector some distance away
13:27 < chris_99> yeah
13:27 < nmz787_i> well
13:27 < nmz787_i> i guess in that case it would be transmission
13:27 < nmz787_i> so maybe a 'reflective' just lacks the reflector
13:28 < chris_99> mmm
13:28 < nmz787_i> also,  with the reflective, I think the light source gets combined with the sensing fiber... via a prism... before the end of the probe
13:29 < nmz787_i> so a 'transmissive' dip probe is probably cheaper
13:29 < nmz787_i> since they use a reflector/diffuser instead of a beam combineer
13:29 < nmz787_i> alibaba link seems like worthwhile to check into
13:29 < chris_99> mmm
13:31 < chris_99> have you tried the spectrometer with the patch though
13:34 < nmz787_i> not yet
13:34 < nmz787_i> I am getting close though... I glued the surface onto my new workbench two nights ago
13:35 < chris_99> cool :)
13:35 < nmz787_i> (which I need to have more workspace)
13:35 < chris_99> is the SEM in storage?
13:35 < nmz787_i> I was dumb though and didn't have enough clamps (I would have needed probably 10 more clamps)... so I used heavy boxes of books to press the thin plywood to the base.... but the weight caused the table to sink and bow down... so now it's glued that way!
13:36 < nmz787_i> yeah, still over at the local FIB lab
13:36 < nmz787_i> bought a small 4 or 5 inch black and white TV last week at a second-hand store
13:36 < chris_99> heh cool
13:36 < nmz787_i> runs on 12V or battery, is probably the newest CRT I can find used and cheap
13:37 < nmz787_i> figure that should provide some insight/experience on messing with the SEM
13:37 < chris_99> does the SEM have a built in CRT?
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13:43 < nmz787_i> yea
13:43 < nmz787_i> but the SEM itself is like a CRT
13:44 < chris_99> mmm
13:44 < nmz787_i> actually I guess more like a TEM overall... without beam focus point
13:44 < nmz787_i> or a STEM
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13:50 < chris_99> nmz787_i, http://www.spectraconn.com/product-classes/dip-probes/
13:50 < chris_99> got prices
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14:13 < FourFire> if not then yay, i won.
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15:23 < cluckj> lol
15:23 < cluckj> everyone I've talked to is misunderstanding what my problem with granting them a license is
15:23 < cluckj> they're all like "no it's okay to do that"
15:24 < cluckj> "they're not going to do anything bad with it"
15:24 < cluckj> the friggin point is that I don't want to be forced to give those for-profit weasels a license
15:27 < kanzure> you should point out that the upload process requires granting proquest a license, which is highly unethical
15:27 < cluckj> yes
15:28 < cluckj> that's exactly the issue
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15:32 < kanzure> you should sell a license to proquest instead :)
15:33 < kanzure> i'm sure you could twist that into a little media frenzy too if you want
15:34 < cluckj> hah
15:34 < cluckj> I just want to CC license it and throw it up on the internet
15:34 < cluckj> nobody is going to read it, anyway
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18:06 < cluckj> bah
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18:06 < cluckj> looks like it's totally involuntary
18:06 < cluckj> and compulsory
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18:19 < fenn> while i want to back you up on sticking it to the man, i just don't think granting a non-exclusive license to republish is that big of a deal. it's not as if you're transferring copyright to them like many journals demand
18:20 < fenn> if you publish as CC you're essentially granting them a non-exclusive license to republish anyway
18:21 < fenn> given a choice of a world where people host their own papers and their websites go down and everything is lost forever, or a world with mandatory inclusion in a database of "all papers ever", i'll take the latter
18:37 < cluckj> yeah
18:38 < cluckj> nobody will buy copies anyway, so it's not like they will make any money off of them
18:54 < cluckj> the CC license will prohibit commercial use, though
18:54 < cluckj> so they need to get one that will let them print copies
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19:01 < fenn> non-commercial copyleft licenses are a bad idea
19:02 < fenn> creative commons made a mistake by allowing so many different licenses under the same name
19:02 < fenn> they currently advise against using the non-commercial license
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19:09 < cluckj> oh?
19:10 < kanzure> aaronsw also advises against using non-commerical creative commons license types
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19:11 < cluckj> my choices are: Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial No Derivative Works 3.0 license, or "you retain the copyright"
19:12 < kanzure> no-derivatives? yeesh
19:12 < cluckj> through this goofy online tool, anyway
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19:13 < cluckj> what makes the NC licenses a bad plan?
19:14 < cluckj> "the ProQuest fee for Open Access Publishing PLUS is $95.00 USD"
19:14 < cluckj> hah
19:16 < fenn> NC licenses have unforseen consequences, and it's unclear what exactly "non-commercial" means (and different people do in fact have different ideas of what it means)
19:17 < fenn> and most of the time a simple copyleft license does the intended thing, which is preventing some third party from denying others use of our work or derivatives of it
19:19 < cluckj> okay
19:19 < cluckj> I'll retain all rights for now, and license it out later when I have time to read through all the licenses
19:20 < fenn> here's some arguments against NC licenses http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC
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19:37 < cluckj> hmm
19:39 < kanzure> usually i stick to cc-by-sa
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19:52 < cluckj> SA isn't an option, unfortunately
19:55 < kanzure> you might as well write the whole thing in klingon and sticky-tape it to one of the voyager probes
19:55 < fenn> just re-publish it on your website as -by-sa
19:56 < cluckj> lol
19:56 < fenn> and/or put it in the intro of the paper itself
19:56 < cluckj> fenn, they will definitely not let me get away with that
19:56 < fenn> why not?
19:57 < kanzure> proquest is way more valuable to them than some thesis
19:57 < cluckj> ^
19:57 < kanzure> they probably get sweet proquest discounts out of this
19:58 < cluckj> somebody is making money from this, and it ain't me
19:58 < kanzure> hard to imagine there's an entire multi-billion dollar industry around uploading papers to ftp servers and selling access back to universities
20:00 < cluckj> this is an extremely ironic problem because I almost flat-out call publishing companies parasites
20:00 < kanzure> if bill gates is unwilling to buy elsevier then maybe zuckerberg would consider it
20:00 < kanzure> all this inefficency in transferring important knowledge around is completely stupid
20:00 < fenn> or they would say "wow they make billions of dollars from doing absolutely nothing? where do i invest?"
20:01 < kanzure> nah they both like to loudly proclaim they are doing stuffs for charity or something
20:01 < kanzure> cost of science is already way too high, don't need additional costs of academic publishing and sending ideas to each other
20:01 < cluckj> oh they do it from exploiting the labor of entrenched academics
20:01 < fenn> starving children make better moral blackmail fodder than academics
20:01 < kanzure> right, reputation stuff
20:02 < kanzure> yeah, true, but i think it could be reasonably argued there are starving children because of academic publishing inefficiencies
20:03 < kanzure> "tuberculosis absolutely hates this industry, so that's how you know you should be buying this up"
20:03 < cluckj> maybe I will starve my child and publish open-access
20:03 < cluckj> $95 fuckin dollars for web hosting...
20:03 < fenn> lol "tuberculosis hates libgen"
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20:04  * fenn imagines propaganda posters like, "you wouldn't infect a pizza with tuberculosis"
20:04 < kanzure> i don't think that anyone has made a reasonable argument to gates or zuckerberg about literally buying up academic publishers
20:04 < kanzure> so i guess that is going to have to be up to me
20:05  * kanzure makes a powerpoint
20:05 < kanzure> where's that damn hockey stick graph showing growth in number of papers per year....
20:05 < kanzure> billionaires love them some hockey stick graphs
20:05 < cluckj> that's a good graph. gates loves graphs.
20:05 < kanzure> babe hush i know how this rolls
20:06 < kanzure> http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/05/global-scientific-output-doubles-every-nine-years.html
20:07 < kanzure> next i need to super-impose an image of ray kurzweil on this image
20:07 < cluckj> put the TED logo on it too
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20:08 < kanzure> "strategic partnerships -- Wellcome Trust" (not really, but i'm sure they'd be cool with this, they'd dig it)
20:08 < cluckj> haha
20:08 < cluckj> INTERDISCIPLINARY
20:09 < cluckj> no no, STEM education
20:09 < cluckj> that's hot now
20:09 < kanzure> "fact: the u.s. student debt bubble is going straight into the pockets of elsevier and other military-industrial academic publishing houses"
20:10 < fenn> international arms traders
20:10 < kanzure> oh right, let's throw in some geopolitics
20:12 < kanzure> actually i think we could reasonably get an audience with at least one or both of them.
20:12 < fenn> http://biocurious.com/2006/08/17/elsevier-scientific-publisher-and-arms-trader
20:12 < cluckj> hah
20:13 < fenn> to be fair, they divested from the arms trade, but it's still good rhetoric
20:13 < cluckj> I wonder which skeletons are in proquest's closet
20:14 < fenn> going back to 1938 and working directly for the OSS in WW2 they probably have quite a few skeletons
20:15 < cluckj> you mean they might be literal nazis...
20:15 < fenn> well, no
20:16 < kanzure> that they might have literal skeletons?
20:17 < fenn> heh yeah
20:17 < kanzure> google might be a better fit for this
20:18 < kanzure> they like knowledge
20:18 < fenn> good luck with that
20:18 < cluckj> hah
20:18 < fenn> might have been easy when they were in the mood 2007 ish
20:19 < fenn> also i'm not sure giving google an even larger monopoly on access to information is such a good idea
20:19 < kanzure> well, i was thinking eric schmidt or something
20:20 < kanzure> not google actual
20:20 < fenn> and they don't have a very good track record of supporting projects for more than a few years before dumping all the data in the trash can
20:20 < cluckj> why haven't they already bought them all up and thrown the databases into google books?
20:20 < kanzure> hessel knows sergey brin pretty well
20:21 < fenn> wtf who is this guy
20:21 < cluckj> ?
20:21 < cluckj> hessel knows everybody, I think
20:22 < kanzure> it's not hard to know everyone
20:23 < kanzure> and lecturing at singularityu for so long probably helped too. but he was fine before that.
20:23 < fenn> oh that's probably it
20:23 < kanzure> i mean you could ask the same question about me, really. and it's just lots of preparation plus luck plus opportunity engineering.
20:24 < fenn> i guess i just have a hard time believing that abusing the conference-speaking circuit is that powerful
20:25 < kanzure> it's often not about the actual talks, although that does help others approach you
20:25 < cluckj> he gets paid by autocad to mingle
20:25 < kanzure> fenn knows him from before autocad
20:25 < kanzure> he might not know about autocad heh
20:25 < cluckj> lol
20:26 < fenn> i watched the multi-scale cad software video
20:26 < kanzure> was that a hessel video?
20:26 < cluckj> gregarious dude + expense account = meets everyone
20:26 < kanzure> i really wouldn't blame the expense account... i mean he was like this before autocad.
20:27 < cluckj> it certainly doesn't hurt
20:27 < cluckj> cya, time to get some sleep
20:27 < fenn> nite
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20:34 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyohe.
20:35 < JayDugger> er...everyone.
20:38 < kanzure> good to see sqlmap still around
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21:31 < kanzure> slides: science stats/motivation, how science works, growth (papers), how papers get published (lifecycle diagram), academic publishers, power-law distribution of academic publishers, academic publishing inefficiency estimates, contributions of academic publishing inefficiency to global scientific progress inefficiency, elsevier acquisition cost estimate, springer acquisition cost estimate, quantified humanitarian benefit, current ...
21:32 < kanzure> ... status, long-term strategy, next steps, team
21:32 < kanzure> probably can condense some of the details into a more succinct argument
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22:18 < nmz787> howdy
22:18 < yoleaux> 25 Nov 2015 11:31Z <chris_99> nmz787: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3D-priter-control-board-MKS-SBase-V1-0-32-s-Motherboard-compatible-Smoothieware-open-source-firmware/32410815670.html
22:18 < nmz787> ah yes, saw that
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