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00:42 < GarethTheGreat> a yoi yoi hoy
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07:01 < chris_99> !tell nmz787_i i found out what that ebay fiber probe thing is
07:01 < chris_99> it's not for a spectrometer, it's for sensing distance
07:15 < chris_99> oh it seems it's not even 'real' fiber either
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08:11 < kanzure> "Spurring Private Aerospace Competitiveness and Entrepreneurship Act of 2015 or the SPACE Act of 2015" https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2262
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08:50 < cluckj> hmm
08:50 < cluckj> if I use my library's CC licensing terms, they will host it open-access
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08:57 < cluckj> alright...who doesn't want to be in the acknowledgements
08:58 < chris_99> what's your thesis on out of interest?
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09:00 < cluckj> DIY bio
09:03 < cluckj> I can paste the ~400 word abstract if you're interested
09:03 < chris_99> sure
09:03 < cluckj> aw it's only 300 words
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09:03 < cluckj> This project examines and documents the workings of DIYbio (do-it-yourself biology), a loosely-affiliated global group of “amateur” biological researchers, and the ways in which they construct their laboratories, produce new scientific methodologies, and change what it means to be a scientist. I argue throughout this work that the laboratories that DIY biologists construct are materially and conceptually “parasitic
09:03 < chris_99> heh
09:03 < cluckj> ” on institutionalized science: they are structured through deep connections to the traditional places and spaces of scientific practice, and differentially reproduce them through the development of adjacent scientific practices. In the creation of and the elaboration of meanings about these “parasite labs,” DIY biologists develop new means of producing biological knowledge and produce material critiques of contemp
09:03 < cluckj> orary institutional science, and also operate as a frontier for the future of biology.
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09:04 < cluckj> I seek to answer three questions about DIY biologists: how do they affirmatively refigure what it means to be a scientist; how do they differentially reproduce the contents and contexts of laboratories; and how do they alter scientific knowledge, its meanings, and its means of production? I draw upon four years of participant observation fieldwork across two primary sites and many conferences and meetings to answer these
09:04 < cluckj>  questions, and to describe the emergent cultures of DIY biology. My ethnographic work is supplemented by an analysis of electronic discussions (chat rooms, forums, mailing lists, websites, and personal or group weblogs) that DIY biologists use to record their methods and disseminate their findings, popular culture and print/electronic media which shape the particular historical moment in which DIYbio has developed, and
09:04 < cluckj> historical literatures on “amateur science” which provide comparative accounts of conflicts over who may produce scientific knowledge and where it may be produced. To analyze and examine these source materials, I use a theoretical framework derived from various meanings of “parasite” from Michel Serres, J.L. Austin, George Marcus, and Jacques Derrida.
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09:09 < chris_99> sounds interesting! do you cover different technologies in use by people
09:10 < cluckj> yes-ish
09:11 < cluckj> I take back the -ish
09:11 < chris_99> heh
09:11 < cluckj> yeah, quite a lot
09:12 < chris_99> cool
09:12 < cluckj> I talk more about what those technologies are doing, rather than exactly how the tech itself works
09:13 < chris_99> gotcha
09:21 < chris_99> nmz787_i, i found that ebay fiber thing is a distance sensor made probably by omron or something
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09:51 < kanzure> gene editing stream should be live for http://www.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/genesite/documents/webpage/gene_168809.pdf
09:51 < kanzure> streaming video http://nationalacademies.org/gene-editing/Gene-Edit-Summit/index.htm
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09:52 < kanzure> says they are on a lunch break and will return in 40 minutes
09:56 < kanzure> http://23.23.192.129:1935/live/pga-dec1_540p/playlist.m3u8
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12:34 < kanzure> me writing words about orphan rate in bitcoin mining: http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2015-12-02.log
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12:55 < kanzure> it occurs to me that reason why machine shops often don't participate on internet is not only because of their aversion to computers but also because of predatory internet connectivity pricing from cable companies. no good reason to spend $300/mo for "business class" even when residential connection prices are unavailable to your company.
12:56 < kanzure> on the other hand, presumably most businesses should be able to afford $300/mo, right? so not sure if that is sufficient to explain lack of meaningful presence of most workshops on the interwebs.
12:56 < kanzure> still not uncommon to find entire businesses that don't have internet in their shops
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12:59 < TMA> cluckj: I have read a paper referencing that Serres's parasitism work. I have in fact came here to ##hplusroadmap to peruse the help of the late paperbot in finding the full text thereof. I just hope, that your work would be more accessible than Lezaun's "Bees, Beekeepers, and Bureaucrats: Parasitism and the Politics of Transgenic Life"
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13:02 < TMA> cluckj: by accessible, I mean understandable for the uninitiated. I see that the licensing and open-access aspects are very nearly taken care of
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13:07 < TMA> kanzure: If post-communist countries are any indication, the smaller establishments are one-man-shows. With this limited manpower you do not use it for internet presence. Especially if your skillset is not internet related. You need to be internet savvy to recognize that the internet presence can be a benefit not just a burden.
13:08 < kanzure> hmm i'm not so sure, i mean even with a full work day there's still a few minutes here and there for goofing off on the interwebs about cat pics or latest in cnc machine porn
13:08 < kanzure> oh right, you mean for benefits
13:09 < kanzure> email?
13:09 < TMA> yes. but that's not internet presence of the business. that's just the sole proprietor browsing his own facebook
13:10 < TMA> kanzure: some of the more advanced have an email address.
13:10 < TMA> kanzure: but there is no guarantee that they respond.
13:10 < kanzure> don't underestimate the allure of machine porn
13:11 < kanzure> this influences stuff they buy or stuff they make
13:11 < kanzure> hm i guess that's not helpful either
13:12 < kanzure> i wonder if anyone has tried doing machine shop moocs on coursera or udacity
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14:38 < kanzure> i forgot how worried academics are about others stealing/poaching their results and publishing early
14:39 < kanzure> (i would even say pathologically worried in some cases)
14:58 < archels> so let's start a betting pool on what gwern's secret project is
15:05 < kanzure> probably a prediction market; i recommend against betting. it's an onboarding trap.
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15:29 < cluckj> TMA, I may have a pdf of The Parasite somewhere
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15:30 < cluckj> my work is definitely more readable than his book
15:31 < cluckj> kanzure, hah. bite me
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15:39 < kanzure> "my work is definitely more readable than this paper" is going straight into gradstudentbot
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15:42 < cluckj> :P
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16:04 < cluckj> it's not saying much, though...Serres is notoriously difficult to read
16:05 < kanzure> "If I were to try to guess and hand-wave at it: There are many things in the world where you can show that there, in theory, exist small monopoly pressures... but no monopoly has yet formed. Maybe in all these cases after sufficiently long (maybe millions of years, assuming the economy was stationary that long) they'd form. I think we could probably say that a given amount of centralization bias implies a certain amount of ...
16:05 < kanzure> ... instantaneous "time until monopoly", but so long as the state of the world and all the influencing factors is not substantially stable on that timescale then the monopoly won't ever form. A small bias might shift things in your favor, but then some upset happens and then they're shifting in someone elses favor."
16:10 < cluckj> a physicist talks about economics?
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16:26 < kanzure> cluckj: that's gmaxwell (bitcoin developer). so yeah physics and economics kinda collide head-on in bitcoin land.
16:28 < kanzure> see https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3uz0im/eli5_if_large_blocks_hurt_miners_with_slow/cxizotu
16:28 < kanzure> i also wrote some replies there if anyone cares about bitcoin stuff
16:41 < cluckj> ah
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17:06 < maaku> I'm also a physicist
17:06 < kanzure> maaku: btw ben goertzel is in hong kong if you have some extra time maybe go hang out with him.
17:06 < maaku> gmaxwell is sortofa an en everything
17:07 < kanzure> oh wait, you probably know this. since you even like ben goertzel.
17:07 < maaku> yeah thought of it.. i should probably ping him
17:07 < kanzure> invite him to the conference
17:08 < kanzure> use ben@goertzel.org
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17:18 < maaku> thanks
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17:21 < cluckj> it's the talking about the economy as if it were a natural force that weirds me out a little
17:24 < AmbulatoryCortex> it's a lot easier to use those terms for a chaotic system
17:24 < AmbulatoryCortex> sure it's synthetic, but it's no logical machine
17:24 < kanzure> well there is a natural physical "economy", i mean that's what biology sort of is
17:25 < kanzure> see http://www.nbi.dk/~natphil/salthe/
17:25 < kanzure> in particular http://www.nbi.dk/~natphil/salthe/NatPhil_of_entropy.pdf
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17:33 < cluckj> yeah
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17:56 < cluckj> woo, sent off to my advisor for final approval
17:57 < nmz787_i> if no one has pulled my last pushed commit, and I rebase to edit the commit message, then force push... is there still a chance of some thing bad happening?
17:57 < nmz787_i> or the other seeing what I did?
17:59 < nmz787_i> I only want to edit the commit message (I put the wrong ticket number)
18:03 < xentrac> maybe if there is like a trigger or something
18:04 < nmz787_i> nah i don't think there are
18:04 < xentrac> but normally that's fine
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18:15 < nmz787_i> oh, I just realized how I can rework a board where I got it fabbed with an incorrect IC footprint (2 pins on the same side swapped)... I can just flip the chip and bend the leads (it is surface mount): http://www.nxp.com/documents/outline_drawing/sot323_po.pdf
18:15 < nmz787_i> damn, I can't believe it took a month for my subconscious to come up with that idea
18:18 < xentrac> heh, nice
18:20 < xentrac> maybe the more relevant aspect than "it is surface mount" is "it is a 3-pin SOT323"
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18:27 < kanzure> you can edit a commit message with git commit --amend
18:28 < kanzure> no rebase required
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18:32 < kanzure> apparently "the dude who invented the concept of the space elevator" is still around
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18:39 < maaku> pretty sure Tsiolkovsky isn't around anymore :(
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18:42 < kanzure> nah i mean https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3v4yic/askscience_ama_series_were_scientists_and/
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19:57 < kanzure> all non-easily emulatable components of human brain matter should be removed and thrown out.
19:58 < fenn> i'd rather you didn't
20:00 < kanzure> that's just your amgydala, prefrontal cortex, temporal cortex, auditory cortex, and cerebellum talking
20:01 < fenn> "charles sheffield's novel The Web Between the Worlds, featuring the construction of a space elevator, was published almost simultaneously with Arthur C. Clarke's novel on the subject, The Fountains of Paradise, a coincidence that amused them both."
20:01 < kanzure> yes, yes, we all know that clarke was just stealing from the pervasive global subconscious aether
20:02 < cluckj> taking hits off the noosphere
20:02 < kanzure> or was that asimov? i think it was asimov, because he was the one that had to find things to type for 12 hours a day.
20:02 < fenn> wtf wikipedia has some weird entries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_brain_tumors
20:05 < kanzure> something something about denial-of-service of everyone's attentional bandwidth
20:05 < maaku> hang on, I'm going to go start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_bipedal_locomotion
20:06 < kanzure> we really should start mutantpedia
20:07 < kanzure> i guess i'd have to go find some mutants first
20:07 < kanzure> hessel says sergey brin is no for buying elsevier, but he is more positive about zuckerberg
20:07 < fenn> that was quick
20:08 < kanzure> well the cryonics stuff significantly increased available brownie points
20:10 < kanzure> wat "the energy or mental capacity required to deal with a situation"
20:10 < kanzure> "In computing, bandwidth is the bit-rate of available or consumed information capacity"
20:10 < fenn> language evolves, get over it
20:10 < kanzure> "information capacity"?
20:11 < kanzure> .wik channel capacity
20:11 < yoleaux> "In electrical engineering, computer science and information theory, channel capacity is the tight upper bound on the rate at which information can be reliably transmitted over a communications channel." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_capacity
20:12 < kanzure> "goodput"?
20:13 < kanzure> bleh
20:13 < fenn> heh
20:14 < kanzure> i wonder if we could convince eric hunting to go try to be a modern asimov
20:15 < kanzure> or does his writing thing only work for non-fiction
20:15 < fenn> most of asimov's work was pretty bad
20:16 < kanzure> right.
20:16 < kanzure> i think he could have done better with the internets though
20:16 < fenn> apparently asimov wrote some encyclopedias
20:17 < fenn> "Asimov traces the history of science, from ancient Egypt to the atomic age--through the lives and careers of teh men and women who made it. In 1,510 biographical sketches he supplies a wealth of facts and anecdotes that illuminate each person's contribution to the world of science. And by arranging the entries chronologically, he shows as well the interactions among the various individuals and
20:18 < fenn> among the various brances of science. From Imhotep to Neil Armstrong'
20:19 < fenn> "Understanding Physics (Motion, Sound, and Heat / Light, Magnetism, and Electricity / The Electron, Proton, and Neutron)"
20:19 < fenn> "Asimov's Chronology of Science and Discovery"
20:19 < fenn> "Asimov's Chronology of the World: The History of the World From the Big Bang to Modern Times"
20:19 < fenn> "Asimov's New Guide to Science"
20:19 < fenn> "Asimov on Physics"
20:20 < fenn> 49 PAGES of books on amazon
20:21 < kanzure> yes he quite literally lived at a typewriter
20:21 < nmz787_i> wow
20:23 < kanzure> to be fair we really do need someone other than greg egan
20:23 < kanzure> i mean in addition to
20:24 < fenn> i think eric hunting just needs a blog instead of spamming mailing lists with essays
20:25 < fenn> the world has more than enough books already, i don't see any value in creating lots of filler
20:25 < kanzure> well i mean there's not much high quality hard scifi any more
20:26 < kanzure> none of the authors read enough science
20:26 < fenn> hum i don't really know
20:26 < fenn> it's easy to find the old stuff because it's been filtered a million times
20:26 < fenn> and the modern filtering process has been corrupted by SJW's apparently
20:26 < kanzure> check out the recent hugo awards. nothing much...
20:27 < kanzure> well no, apparently it was successfully defended? dunno
20:27 < fenn> that was a backlash against years of infiltration
20:28 < kanzure> didn't nature.com have a fiction column
20:28 < superkuh> Egan, Baxter, KSR, Peter Watts, Daniel Suarez, etc.
20:29 < superkuh> They're all still putting out good hard scifi.
20:29 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/arts/futures/
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20:34 < fenn> well it's interesting that you can actually read the full text of "nature futures"
20:36 < kanzure> oops i forgot about "whatever's up on infinityplus"
20:54 < Aurelius_Home> kanzure : nah, SJWs won by burning the walls down around them
20:54 < Aurelius_Home> (Hugos)
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