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03:13 < maaku> ah goertzel is in brussels
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03:21 < poppingtonic> AGI stuff?
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05:35 < kanzure> Aurelius_Home: that was fenn's comment not mine
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06:36 < kanzure> "Successful serial recloning in the mouse over multiple generations" (2013) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23472871
06:37 < kanzure> "The cloning efficiency did not decrease over 25 generations, and, to date, we have obtained more than 500 viable offspring from a single original donor mouse. The reprogramming efficiency also did not increase over repeated rounds of nuclear transfer, and we did not see the accumulation of reprogramming errors or clone-specific abnormalities. Therefore, our results show that repeated iterative recloning is possible and suggest that, ...
06:37 < kanzure> ... with adequately efficient techniques, it may be possible to reclone animals indefinitely."
06:37 < kanzure> http://www.cell.com/cell-stem-cell/abstract/S1934-5909(13)00008-8?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS1934590913000088%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
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06:59 < heath> .title http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/10/e1501136.full
06:59 < yoleaux> Electronic plants | Science Advances
07:01 < heath> "The scientists invented a particular polymer called PEDOT-S that could be sucked into the rose's vascular system, just like a cut flower sucks up water and plant food in a vase. Once inside, the polymer forms 'wires' inside the plant's xylem, allowing electric signals to be transmitted, but still letting the plant get the nutrients and water it needs. Plants, just like people, naturally contain electrolytes, substances that can carry an electric cha
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07:39 < FourFire> heath, [insert what plants crave joke here.]
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08:04 < kanzure> "Searching for motifs in the behaviour of larval Drosophila melanogaster and Caenorhabditis elegans reveals continuity between behavioural states" http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/12/113/20150899.full
08:07 < poppingtonic> ha
08:07 < kanzure> ls | grep NG
08:08 < kanzure> ejriqoewrjeq
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08:57 < jcluck> woo, submitted to the grad office for approval, one whole day before the deadline
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10:03 < kanzure> are they going to quick you out of your lab
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10:16 < kanzure> hah "is there any quick way to induce ketosis?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10670947 (strenuous exercise followed by fasting, nasty)
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15:30 < kanzure> 03:16 < fenn> fuzzy booleans should have been the default in opencascade, this is ten years too late: http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php?q=node/1056
15:30 < kanzure> 03:17 < fenn> fixes errors with boolean operations on shapes with touching boundaries
15:30 < kanzure> "The Fuzzy Boolean Operations are useful on the shapes with gaps or embeddings between the entities of these shapes which are not covered by the tolerance values of these entities. Such shapes can be the result of modeling mistakes, or translating process, or import from other systems with loss of precision, or errors in some algorithms."
15:31 < kanzure> doesn't this interfere with their sales for their shape healing code stuff?
15:31 < kanzure> they had some sort of point cloud to nurbs surface model stuff
15:31 < kanzure> well i guess this is not point clouds hm
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16:08 < kanzure> jonathan cline suggests using amazon fire tablets for lab equipment interfacing and lab equipment electronics https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/qZb37iYpRZs/7_g69D6aBQAJ
16:17 < docl> Anyone here know much about radio waves? I'm wondering if it makes sense to use a phased array based on earth to 3D print stuff on the Moon.
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16:21 < docl> You'd send signals from points all over the earth (the parts visible from the Moon at a given time) and they would add up to make a focused point, which could be moved around programmatically.
16:22 < kanzure> why would that be 3d printing?
16:23 < kanzure> laser sintering is more appropriate for that sort of scenario
16:23 < kanzure> no reason to use thermopaste extrusion
16:24 < docl> SLS is a form of 3D printing, I thought.
16:24 < kanzure> i have no idea anymore
16:24 < kanzure> phased array radiocuring counts as 3d printing? what doesn't
16:26 < docl> 2D printing?
16:27 < kanzure> heh no idea
16:27 < kanzure> here is some sort of claim that kepler wrote the first scifi story https://somniumproject.wordpress.com/somnium/
16:29 < kanzure> "The island of Levania is located fifty thousand German miles high up in the sky. The route to get to there from here, or back to this Earth, is rarely open. When it is open, it is easy for our kind, at least, to travel. But transporting humans is truly difficult, and risks the greatest dangers to life. .... The best adapted for the journey are dried-out old women, since from youth they are accustomed to riding goats at night, or ...
16:29 < kanzure> ... pitchforks, or travelling the wide expanses of the earth in worn-out clothes."
16:29 < kanzure> wat
16:30 < docl> Weird.
16:31 < kanzure> iirc there were some calculations in the logs for long-distance laser writing of distant planets
16:32 < kanzure> something about atmospheric chemistry
16:37 < docl> Assuming you could get good high powered beams of varying frequency to precisely targeted spots, I think a lot of manufacturing would become possible (given the vacuum and low gravity). Not just curing regolith into concrete. You could melt a thin glassy layer, then use the spectrographic properties to ionize elements selectively and steer them around via photovoltaically induced charge.
16:40 < kanzure> hmm not much here http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM5F.html#5f4
16:41 < kanzure> laser sintering using lunar regolith http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/13552541211271992
16:41 < kanzure> oops i mean http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110000850.pdf
16:48 < docl> There was an idea for manufacturing solar cells directly on the surface of the moon by melting the top into glass. I think Phil Metzger's paper might have referenced it.
16:48 < kanzure> which pmetzger paper is this?
16:49 < docl> http://www.philipmetzger.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Preprint_Affordable-bootstrapping-of-space-industry-and-solar-system-civilization.pdf
16:50 < docl> not the other metzger
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16:53 < docl> Perry Metzger runs the cryptography listserv, I think. Different guy.
16:54 < docl> I don't see anything in the bootstrapping paper about the rovers printing solar cells, but one of the references seems to be this paper: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20050110155.pdf
16:56 < kanzure> doh didn't realze there were two pmetzgers running around these parts
16:56 < kanzure> (pmetzger isn't just cryptography mailing list but also lots of fancypants nanotech stuff)
17:03 < docl> Phil Metzger apparently inspired this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/10/14/bootstrapping-solar-system-civilization
17:08 < docl> The regolith-glass solar panel idea turns out to be older than I thought (2005). Unsurprising in retrospect, as it is a relatively simple concept.
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17:19 < docl> kanzure: I can't find anything about long distance laser writing calculations using google site search, but I'd be interested to know what others have said about it.
17:22 < docl> James Nicoll is credited with coming up with the idea of vaporizing planets using a phased array the size of a Dyson sphere. That's the only time I've heard of this type of thing being done on an interstellar scale.
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17:28 < docl> Some relevant stuff here about separating elements in space with mass spectrometry: http://gnusha.org/logs/2008-03-28.log
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17:55 < cluckj> hmm, vaporizing a planet using a phased array...
17:55 < cluckj> that would definitely be useful in some kind of war in the stars
17:59 < docl> It would be, but the trick is predicting where the planet will be. If people are living there, the orbital mechanics will be less predictable.
18:00 < docl> http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.space.tech/2005-03/0151.html
18:08 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2dce0f9b Bryan Bishop: transcript gmaxwell 2015-11-09 bitcoin stuff >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2015-11-09-mining-and-block-size-etc/
18:09 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2015-11-09-mining-and-block-size-etc/
18:11 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=62203d86 Bryan Bishop: include fancy graph >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2015-11-09-mining-and-block-size-etc/
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20:07 < kanzure> music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycw4F8sjHVc
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21:13 < ParahSailin_> whats going on with the synthesis machine
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21:39 < kanzure> chemist guy vanished on us
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22:14 < ParahSailin_> whatever happened to the idea of ordering one of those microarray chips
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23:26 < FourFire> kanzure, is all of gradstudentbot real quotes?
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