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10:38 < kanzure> you could also just watch the actual network-level requests and repeat them using python-requests or mitmproxy or whatever 10:38 < nmz787_i> is there a 'stupider person' way? like some GUI that I can click 'record' and it just replays what I do? 10:39 -!- berndj-blackout is now known as berndj 10:39 < nmz787_i> i.e. I navigate to the URL, paste text, click 'send' then restart from the beginnign 10:41 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zuvoujpxxwdcqaoi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:44 -!- jenelizabeth [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: sleeeep] 10:45 -!- jenelizabeth_ [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 < nmz787_i> Intel MKL enhanced Python (I think mainly numpy and scipy) www.bit.ly/intel-python 10:51 < nmz787_i> reference here to using it in GROMACS too https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-mkl-and-third-party-applications-how-to-use-them-together 10:54 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:55 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:03 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:03 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste] 11:04 < kanzure> "how do you know you actually had a conversation?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10772215 (and my reply) 11:07 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:07 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:ad78:e878:94e3:b366] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09 < Alcyius> I was reading some religious nut job's objections to transhumanism 11:09 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 < Alcyius> And someone shut them down by saying that they wouldn't act like that to veterans with prosthetics 11:11 < Alcyius> also has anyone here tried alternate sleeping patterns with any success? 11:13 < kanzure> well fenn is on year 20 of a 25-hour day, does that count? 11:14 < Alcyius> Kinda, but I do that already 11:14 < Alcyius> I mean like that, 4 hours awake, half an hour sleep 11:14 < kanzure> yes people have tried that 11:14 < kanzure> including myself. 11:15 < Alcyius> how'd it go? 11:15 < kanzure> poorly. 11:15 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15 < Alcyius> good to know 11:17 < Aurelius_Work2> I sleep about 6.5 hours a night 11:17 < Aurelius_Work2> it should be 7 11:17 < Aurelius_Work2> but I get by with melatonin and zma 11:17 < Alcyius> Melatonin has really bad effects on me 11:17 < Alcyius> Gives me the worst nightmares 11:17 < Aurelius_Work2> kanzure : Meredith wrote a Thing: http://status451.com/2015/12/21/totalizing-politics-and-insurance-rackets/ 11:18 < kanzure> she tends to do that 11:20 < kanzure> Aurelius_Work2: also https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c 11:20 < Aurelius_Work2> kanzure : yeah, I've read most of her existing stuff 11:30 -!- jtimon [~quassel@74.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:39 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhuaxkqjlagmgxbq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:41 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:44 -!- CautiousNarwhal [ad03d8c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.3.216.198] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:45 < nmz787_i> Alcyius: interesting... I've taken many many melatonin tablets at once and always seemed to have 0 effects 11:45 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, might be that my family has a history of grave's disease 11:46 < Alcyius> might be that I'm in generally poor health 11:55 -!- CautiousNarwhal [ad03d8c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.3.216.198] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:04 -!- dcentral [~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:ed72:9d1:33a1:7bbd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 < Diablo-D3> https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/3wm1v2/f_diet_gas_discharge_vizualization_biophotons_in/ 12:16 < Diablo-D3> what. 12:18 < archels> that explains everything! 12:20 -!- jdqx [~jdqx@2602:306:cc94:1950:3919:2d4c:eb64:715f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 < nmz787_i> Alcyius: to be honest, when I was mega-dosing melatonin I was looking for it to either: knock me out like a strong benzodiazapene, OR induce lucid dreams / psychedelia.... neither happened... but it sounds like the latter case happens to you, at least in a slight manner, more effectively than for me 12:22 < nmz787_i> .wik graves disease 12:22 < yoleaux> "Graves' disease, also known as toxic diffuse goiter and Flajani-Basedow-Graves disease, is an autoimmune disease that affects the thyroid. It frequently results in hyperthyroidism and an enlarged thyroid." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graves_disease 12:22 < Diablo-D3> https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/3lv5o7/relectromagnetics_is_being_hacked_information/ 12:22 < Diablo-D3> oh. my. god. 12:22 < Diablo-D3> these people are nutjobs 12:23 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bwopldfieolcsefk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 < nmz787_i> I thought raw almonds are gamma sterilized 12:24 < nmz787_i> does that count as pasteurization (Which i thought was heat-treatment) 12:24 < Diablo-D3> https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/3kcj2e/i_was_heavily_zombie_zapped_for_attending_the/ 12:24 < Diablo-D3> holy crap 12:24 < Diablo-D3> this guy is an epic troll 12:28 < Alcyius> Anyone here maintain a multi of related subs? 12:30 < Alcyius> Diablo-D3, what am I reading 12:30 < Alcyius> What is /r/electromagnetics and why are those posts insane/trolling? 12:30 < Alcyius> Oh 12:31 < Alcyius> "electromagnetic" sensitivity people 12:31 < Alcyius> My great-grandpa thinks he has that 12:31 < Alcyius> He doesn't 12:31 < Alcyius> It's all fucking placebo 12:32 < Aurelius_Work2> schizophrenics 12:34 < Alcyius> I mean 12:34 < kanzure> i think i'm gonna ban all the reddit users 12:34 < kanzure> who among you are reddit users? please raise your lightsabers. 12:34 < Alcyius> I read reddit, but rarely, rarely post 12:34 < Alcyius> It's pretty insane tbh 12:35 < kanzure> guilty. 12:35 < kanzure> off with your head 12:35 < Alcyius> as charged I guess 12:35 < Alcyius> Where can I pick up my new one? 12:35 < Alcyius> And it better have those upgrades I requested 12:36 < nmz787_i> well all the evidence points to ELF as being the most impressive statistically in human sensitivity studies (to EM fields) 12:36 < nmz787_i> ELF being e.g. 60 Hz 12:37 < nmz787_i> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/biological%20radio%20research/ 12:37 < Alcyius> I remember reading a double-blind study that showed that so-called Electrosensitivity disorders were placebo effect 12:39 < Alcyius> Ugh I'm trying to recover files from a computer with a failing drive and a broken screen 12:39 < Alcyius> It's not going well 12:39 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: this is all insane shit 12:39 < Diablo-D3> I find about that sub because their leader posted in /r/paleo 12:40 < Diablo-D3> I downvoted the post and reported it as spam 12:40 < Alcyius> the paleo diet is stupid as hell too 12:41 < Diablo-D3> You do realize the paleo diet is just removing substances that are known to cause problems in most people, right? 12:41 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-80-223-125.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-204-169-87.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 < Alcyius> I mean the concept. The idea that what we hate in some arbitrary period of the past is somehow better for us because its more natural 12:41 < Diablo-D3> Oh, see, thats the strawman 12:41 < Diablo-D3> paleo is just badly named 12:41 < Alcyius> There are a lot of people who subscribe to it that think that way though 12:42 < Alcyius> And just in general 12:42 < Alcyius> The idea that natural is somehow better 12:42 < Diablo-D3> it has nothing to do with what our ancestors ate... it is merely where the research started... in the 70s. 12:42 < nmz787_i> well there's obviously a lag in evolution and adaptation 12:42 < Alcyius> Poison ivy is natural but you ain't gonna eat that 12:42 < nmz787_i> otherwise smog wouldn't be a breathing problem 12:42 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: exactly, thats literally the argument paleo followers have against the faux news types 12:42 < Alcyius> I swear one of these days I'm going to sell all natural free range poison ivy toilet paper 12:42 < Diablo-D3> and, frankly, we're tired of those idiots 12:42 < kanzure> i bet there's a way to cook poison ivy 12:42 < Alcyius> And insane rich people will buy it 12:42 < Diablo-D3> kanzure: there isnt. 12:42 < Alcyius> WHY WOULD YOU TRY 12:42 < Diablo-D3> kanzure: poison ivy tea burns the whole way throgh 12:43 < nmz787_i> Diablo-D3: maybe you didn't cook it enough or correctly? 12:43 < Diablo-D3> it literally can kill a person 12:43 < Alcyius> I'm just mad because some of the health food stores nearby, while they have some good stuff 12:43 < kanzure> also i am going to start adding snake venom to all my food 12:43 < Alcyius> Have a bunch of really stupid "all natural" shit 12:43 < Diablo-D3> kanzure: your _insides_ will itch. a sensation you didnt even know was possible. 12:44 < Diablo-D3> But yes, "all natural" means squat shit 12:44 < Alcyius> I'd have less of a problem with it 12:44 < Diablo-D3> I live in a world where science took hold, not magic 12:44 < Alcyius> If these weren't the people also trying to get out of vaccinating their crotch fruit 12:44 < Diablo-D3> And there is no science that says eating ground up grain and massive amounts of refined sugar is safe. 12:44 < Diablo-D3> And I'm living proof that it isn't safe 12:45 < Alcyius> Diablo-D3, I don't have a problem with the paleo diet itself, a lot of it is actually really well researched, and it has a lot of good supporters 12:45 < Diablo-D3> I dropped grains and refined sugars and legumes from my diet completely 12:45 < Diablo-D3> went from 340 pounds to 214 in a year, with no increase in caloric burn or decrease in caloric intake 12:46 < Diablo-D3> and then not too long after, 184. 12:46 < Alcyius> But the reason I support all these things is cuz I wanna live a hedonistic life style and if I can't eat the foods I like then what's the point :P 12:46 < Aurelius_Work2> I'm 165, in incredible shape, and eat the shit out of grain and sugar 12:46 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: I do not miss them. 12:46 < Diablo-D3> Aurelius_Work2: yes, some people, grains don't "hack" their fat cells 12:46 < nmz787_i> I try to practive paleo so I can excuse my weekly twinkie indulgence 12:46 < Diablo-D3> doesn't mean you won't die of a heart attack or a stroke later. 12:47 < Alcyius> I mean, I should be on a better diet in general 12:47 < Diablo-D3> And re: eating foods I like 12:47 < Diablo-D3> now that I know how to cook 12:47 < Diablo-D3> I find most "sweet" foods to be rather tasteless and bland 12:47 < Aurelius_Work2> sweet food, savory food, spicy food, I eat it all 12:48 < Alcyius> Paleo diet just gets rid of most of the grains and refined sugar right? 12:48 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: all of it, yes 12:48 < Alcyius> So rice and veggies and meat and stuff are still good 12:48 < Diablo-D3> rice is a grain, its gone 12:48 < Diablo-D3> so is soy 12:48 < nmz787_i> but also emphasizes animal fats and organs 12:48 < nmz787_i> soy is a legume 12:48 < Alcyius> yeah I couldn't do that. I have to use a lot of rice replacement products 12:48 < Diablo-D3> nmz787_i: it doesnt emphasize it, although many paleo people do 12:48 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: why? 12:49 < nmz787_i> Diablo-D3: well most paleo just refer to weston a price 12:49 < Alcyius> Diablo-D3, whey intolerance 12:49 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: ... so? milk is off the list as well, btw 12:49 < Alcyius> Yeah 12:49 < Alcyius> See 12:49 < Diablo-D3> only lactose free hard cheese remain, and only in sane amounts 12:49 < nmz787_i> yep, that's farming era... not the pre-farming hunting-only 12:49 < Alcyius> A lot of my favorite foods are rice 12:49 < Diablo-D3> rice is probably the least damning grain 12:49 < nmz787_i> I don't think lactose free cheese counts as paleo 12:50 < Diablo-D3> nmz787_i: it does. 12:50 < Diablo-D3> just dont pig out on it. 12:50 < nmz787_i> I allowed white rice and white flour back in because they're essentially just pure carb, not much grain remnants left over 12:50 < Diablo-D3> lactose is largely what damns dairy product, as its not any different than refined sugar 12:50 < nmz787_i> and I don't mind gluten 12:50 < nmz787_i> Diablo-D3: I thought it was more that milk in general was in the agricultural era 12:51 < nmz787_i> which paleo says is still too new 12:51 < Diablo-D3> nmz787_i: no, because you're doing the strawman shit 12:51 < nmz787_i> ? 12:51 < Diablo-D3> paleo is not against something because of what era it comes from 12:51 < Diablo-D3> otherwise we couldnt eat beef or pigs either 12:51 < nmz787_i> those certainly existed (and still do ) in the wild 12:51 < Alcyius> Someone needs to invent an artificial stomach that means I don't need to bother with diet 12:51 < Diablo-D3> beef and pigs in their current forms were bred in the past two or three thousand years or so 12:51 < Alcyius> This discussion reminds me of the whole Americapox idea 12:52 < nmz787_i> Alcyius: pressure cooker 12:52 < Diablo-D3> nmz787_i: but yes, paleo damns things because of their biological role 12:52 < nmz787_i> Diablo-D3: yeah but bred for taste 12:52 < Diablo-D3> if the food contains chemicals in a form that causes malfunctions in our biology 12:52 < Diablo-D3> then we drop it 12:52 < Alcyius> Aka, the reason there were no plagues to come over from the new world is because the only domesticable animal in the Americas were llamas 12:52 < nmz787_i> and efficiency to grow on a farm 12:53 < Diablo-D3> now, yes, I also personally subscribe to a high fat high protein diet 12:53 < Diablo-D3> this is not something that is paleo, although being paleo makes it much easier 12:53 < nmz787_i> I defer most questions like these to jrayhawk_: then I interpret his answers and mangle them to my own liking 12:53 < Alcyius> Oh yeah 12:53 < nmz787_i> feast and famine is also something I try 12:53 < Alcyius> Does anyone have a multi-vitamin suggestion that won't make me gag? 12:53 < Diablo-D3> like, paleo people often take vitamin D supplements 12:53 < nmz787_i> but I generally calorie restrict too 12:54 < Diablo-D3> vitamin D supplements were invented in the past 50 years 12:54 < Alcyius> I have a very severe gag reflex 12:54 < nmz787_i> Alcyius: rectal tablets? 12:54 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: well, you might have problems becoming a gay prostitute. 12:54 < Alcyius> God damnit both of you 12:54 < nmz787_i> take it out of the loop completely! 12:54 < Alcyius> Just cuz I like giving blowjobs doesn't mean I can't have a gag reflex 12:55 < Alcyius> Amazing source of protein btw 12:55 < nmz787_i> let me contaminate my amazon search statistics a bit... 12:55 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: <3 12:55 < Alcyius> I wonder 12:55 < Aurelius_Work2> someone did the math on blowjobs for protein actually 12:55 < Alcyius> If getting a vasectomy messes with the nutrional value of that 12:55 < Alcyius> Aurelius_Work2, really? 12:55 < Alcyius> Wow 12:55 < nmz787_i> amazon doesn't seem to have vitamin D suppositories... many E though 12:56 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, I'm not taking it anally 12:56 < Alcyius> I save that for fun stuff 12:56 < nmz787_i> being healthy is fun! 12:56 < Alcyius> I just need one that doesn't stink to the high heavens 12:56 < nmz787_i> relative to being unhealthy 12:56 < Alcyius> Even if I went on an amazing diet, and started exercising, I'd never be really healthy 12:56 < Alcyius> too many hereditary things 12:57 < Alcyius> Also I can't really exercise, any sweat and I break out horribly 12:57 < nmz787_i> very large branches are falling outside in my yard... one that could have knocked me out came to rest in a bush just 2 ft from the window I am sitting in front of 12:58 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, congratulations on being in the divergent path where you survived 12:58 < Alcyius> And my condolences to the version of you that didn't 12:58 < Alcyius> Hobby: Driving recklessly to kill off close copies of me in the multiverse 12:58 < nmz787_i> I think I need to find someone with one of these instruments: http://www.fakopp.com/site/fakopp-3d 12:58 < nmz787_i> .title 12:58 < yoleaux> ArborSonic 3D Acoustic Tomograph | Fakopp Enterprise 12:59 < nmz787_i> Alcyius: interesting idea 12:59 < nmz787_i> what does it say about someone if they have many or few multiverse copies of themselves in current existence? 13:00 < nmz787_i> luck, fitness, other stuff? 13:00 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, if you have 1 copy, then you have an infinite number 13:00 < Alcyius> and that depends 13:00 < nmz787_i> 'all 1%ers found to have least multiverse copies of all people' 13:00 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, a dead copy is still a copy 13:01 < Alcyius> In fact, the people with the "least" number of copies are probably extremely boring 13:01 < Diablo-D3> then jesus christ 13:01 < Alcyius> Because that means there aren't many ways their lives can diverge 13:01 < nmz787_i> percent uptime per copy then 13:01 < Diablo-D3> I must have the most multiverse copies 13:01 < Alcyius> Again 13:01 < Alcyius> That depends on your view of the theory 13:01 < Alcyius> Some people posit that from your personal view, you're always in a part of the multiverse where you survived 13:01 < nmz787_i> Alcyius: that is an interesting way to look at it, re: boring -> less divergence 13:01 < Alcyius> In that way, it's impossible to "die" 13:02 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, it also depends, does every single decision make a divergence, or only significant ones? 13:02 < Alcyius> In the first one, there's a version of me that parts his hair to the other side 13:02 < Alcyius> In the second one, there's one who never dated someone, or got therapy earlier 13:03 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:03 < Diablo-D3> So out there somewhere 13:03 < Diablo-D3> is a me that is happy? 13:04 < Alcyius> Diablo-D3, i mean 13:04 < Alcyius> Depends 13:04 < Alcyius> We have no idea how this works 13:04 < Diablo-D3> most likely it doesnt work 13:04 < Diablo-D3> its just made up gobbly gook 13:05 < Alcyius> Well, these things are more relevant on the quantum scale 13:05 < Alcyius> It's entirely possible that we're just deterministic machiens 13:05 < Alcyius> IN which case, there is only one version 13:05 < Alcyius> Because no choice we make is meaningful anyways 13:06 < Alcyius> Yay for Nihilism 13:06 < nmz787_i> I think a more meaningful question is, whether or not this stuff works... what use would it be to use here and now? 13:06 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, I mean 13:06 < Alcyius> There's an extremely easy way to test 13:06 < Alcyius> Pick up a gun and shoot yourself in the head 13:06 < nmz787_i> why would it matter if one of 'you' out there was 'happy' 13:06 < Alcyius> If this is all true, it won't fire 13:06 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: so how am I conscious? 13:07 < nmz787_i> still 'sucks' for you relatively 13:07 < Alcyius> Diablo-D3, who says you are 13:07 < nmz787_i> why wont it fire? 13:07 < Alcyius> Consciousness is just a grab-bag of things that are special about humans that we've decided to classify as a thing 13:07 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, if Multiversal Immortality is real, then events will always conspire to keep you alive from your perspective 13:07 < Alcyius> To all of us you'd be dead 13:07 < Alcyius> But then maybe you could abuse it to your advantage 13:08 < nmz787_i> but that assumes the perception spans all 'verses 13:08 < nmz787_i> which doesn't seem right, in the context of brain uploading 13:08 < Alcyius> Which is why my money's on us just being deterministic machines with no true consciousness, but maybe we can add that in when we hit version 2.0 13:08 < nmz787_i> unless we haven't figured out 'versal wifi, or unversal consciousness connection...etc 13:08 < nmz787_i> (thus the biological radio link I dropped earlier) 13:09 < Diablo-D3> Alcyius: yeah, but I have an internal state 13:09 < Alcyius> Diablo-D3, you have a bunch of openly contentious clusters of neurons in open competition with each other, along with various signals from throughout your body along with autonomous systems that tricks itself into thinking its a continuous whole 13:09 < nmz787_i> if a cell phone could be implanted in my skull, why cant the neurons already have figured that sort of long-distance or quantum link out 13:10 < nmz787_i> so I kind of stopped thinking about such stuff in an abstract way, and figure I should just make quantifiable progress in any way I can 13:10 < Alcyius> I'm looking for it but I can't find it right now 13:10 < nmz787_i> my accomplishment this month is I now have a new workbench 13:11 < Alcyius> There was an article about how some neurologists are thinking that each half of your brain is independently "conscious" and that your perception of a single you is a carefully maintained illusion 13:11 < nmz787_i> have you read any of Rick Strassman's work? 13:11 < kanzure> you are asking why neurons haven't figured out antennaes? 13:11 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, if you wanted to do that 13:11 < nmz787_i> this seems to be the least explored area for long-distance or quantum comms 13:11 < kanzure> how about because none of the interesting electromagnetic phenomena happen anywhere near the materials available to random nearby mutations? 13:11 < Alcyius> well 13:11 < Alcyius> yeah what kanzure said 13:12 < nmz787_i> kanzure: idk how the quantum links work, if they're EM 13:12 < nmz787_i> kanzure: but we have eyes which are EM antennas 13:12 < nmz787_i> we can see stars with them 13:12 < nmz787_i> so that's pretty long range 13:12 < nmz787_i> though line-of-sight 13:12 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, there's also that our brains are too big to access quantum stuff 13:12 < kanzure> Alcyius: what? 13:13 < nmz787_i> yeah I second that "what" 13:13 < nmz787_i> isnt the D-wave pretty small? other than cooling or something? 13:13 < Alcyius> Like, the neurons aren't going to be dealing with heisenberg's uncertainty and stuff 13:13 < kanzure> nmz787_i: yes but visual spectrum is not one of those interesting things; "red" does not travel far through flesh. 13:13 < nmz787_i> also there are the discredited french guy's papers about DNA resonance 13:14 < nmz787_i> kanzure: but if we were all linking to some galactic router, we just need to have no clouds in the sky or something 13:14 < nmz787_i> maybe the paleo people want to get back their third eye 13:14 < nmz787_i> did we lose them since we left the paleo era ? :P 13:15 < nmz787_i> kanzure: I've also thought about the security aspects of this, line of sight vs multi-directional 13:16 < nmz787_i> it seems tribalism is pretty inbuilt into animals and other creatures 13:16 < nmz787_i> so that would have to be a consideration when thinking about evolution, loss/gain of such function 13:18 < nmz787_i> did disney make all the star wars movies? 13:18 < Alcyius> no 13:19 < nmz787_i> I was surprised to see that on facebook 13:20 < nmz787_i> (The last one) 13:20 < kanzure> disney bought star wars a few years ago 13:20 < Alcyius> No one here remembers the original star wars if you think about it 13:21 < Alcyius> You remember bits and pieces of it, but you automatically associate it with the edits and the expanded universe 13:21 < Alcyius> No one can remember the idea of Star Wars as a singular, complete movie 13:21 < Alcyius> (Fun fact, it wasn't called Episode IV: A New Hope when it first released) 13:21 < kanzure> that's not surprising, given lack of 1977 torrent (there are some close contenders but afaik nobody found the original) 13:21 < Alcyius> It's pretty freaky though 13:22 < Alcyius> how bad our memory is 13:23 < nmz787_i> i watched a back to the future documentary recently and they did something similar 13:23 < Alcyius> also, is anyone else here Childfree? 13:24 < nmz787_i> in the theater they didn't have a 'to be continued' at the end of the movies 13:24 < nmz787_i> but when they released on VHS they added it, since they'd got funding for the next by that time 13:24 < Alcyius> I have a lot of trouble watching all those movies 13:24 < Alcyius> They remind me a lot of my dad 13:24 < Alcyius> Good memories, but still 13:24 < Alcyius> Just, old sci-fi and fantasy movies in general 13:25 < nmz787_i> nah I want kids so I can attempt to compete with the people who will contribute to our future 'idiocracy' 13:25 < Alcyius> Heh, one of my favorite movies was the 1965 classic The Great Race, cuz we watched it with him 13:25 < nmz787_i> and also legal child slaves 13:25 < nmz787_i> their small hands will solder very very well! 13:25 < Alcyius> children aren't science kits you know 13:25 < Alcyius> But yes 13:25 < Alcyius> They do indeed solder well 13:25 < Alcyius> I speak from experience 13:25 < nmz787_i> I'm pretty sure we're all science kits 13:26 < nmz787_i> I have a hard time not buying educational toys for the children of friends I know 13:26 < nmz787_i> since they need guidance to really make an impact 13:27 < nmz787_i> but I also don't really want to start a childrens school either 13:27 < nmz787_i> which has come up as a result of the reception of takeitapart.com 13:27 < nmz787_i> (or camps or workshops) 13:30 -!- the8thbit [~8bit@66.186.100.194] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:31 < nmz787_i> idiocracy seems to be inevitable though 13:31 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:32 -!- dcentral [~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:ed72:9d1:33a1:7bbd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33 < nmz787_i> pretty decent https://blog.korelogic.com/blog/2015/12/11/unplugging_iot_from_the_cloud 13:33 -!- atomical [~atomical@172.56.13.255] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 < Alcyius> Except that's like 13:34 < Alcyius> Really, really wrong 13:34 -!- c0rw|zZz is now known as c0rw1n 13:34 < nmz787_i> which? 13:34 < Alcyius> The average IQ, weighted against a constant standard, rises with every generation, due to the Flynn effect 13:35 < Alcyius> Greater access to information via the internet means we're living in one of the most informed generations ever 13:35 < nmz787_i> can the IQ test be poorly constructed? what if it's testing against bullshit facts? 13:35 < Alcyius> The reason people think we're getting dumber is because that same innovation allows for the idiots to be loud 13:35 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, IQ is weighted so 100 is always average 13:35 < Alcyius> If you weighted it today, people a century ago would have an average of 70 13:36 < Alcyius> And that's because all it measures is someone's skill at learning 13:36 < Alcyius> It's a nonstatic score that's not indicative of general intelligence in the least 13:36 < nmz787_i> mlp posted this recently http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/the-cathedral-of-computation/384300/ 13:37 < nmz787_i> basically seems like internet connectivity just makes it easier to herd masses like cattle even easier 13:37 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, people have been herding masses like cattle since forever 13:37 < Alcyius> The internet is a different way to do it, and it makes it more noticeable 13:37 < nmz787_i> but if there's reason to believe we aren't actually getting dumber (overpopulation seems to go against this to me though), then I'm glad! 13:38 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, the problem isn't that we're getting dumber or not 13:38 < Alcyius> It's that it's a stupid question 13:38 < Alcyius> What are you measuring? 13:38 < Alcyius> Individual memory is going down, but that's ok because it's all at our fingertips anyways 13:39 < Alcyius> Meanwhile the ability to find and use large amounts of information is on the rise 13:39 < Alcyius> People are alwyas going to complain that we're getting dumber because we're shifting our intelligence to areas that weren't emphasized when they were a kid 13:39 < kanzure> losing memory is not okay 13:39 < nmz787_i> if I lost connectivity, it would suck 13:39 < nmz787_i> moreso for all the ppl who burned their dead-tree format materials 13:40 < Alcyius> kanzure, it's a temporary problem, we're just shifting it to a digital "prosthetic". Now we just have to wait till its integrated into our biology 13:40 < Alcyius> nmz787_i, if we permanently lost connectivity, yeah that'd be horrible 13:40 < nmz787_i> also if EMP hit, we'd lose most of that data 13:40 < Alcyius> But we'd have bigger problems to worry about 13:40 < nmz787_i> solar flare, etc 13:40 < nmz787_i> dead-tree isn't affected in that case 13:40 < nmz787_i> idk how much microfiche is being produced these days 13:41 < Alcyius> That's why there are massive secure data storage centers built to be EMP resistant 13:41 < Alcyius> And google still backs up a ton of data on microfilm and magnetic tape 13:41 < nmz787_i> wouldn't magnetics be screwed? 13:42 < Alcyius> If there's a strong enough EMP to wipe out their data at multiple locations that's stored in secured locations with dozens of feet of concrete protecting them 13:42 < Alcyius> We have more to worry about than the lost data 13:43 < Alcyius> Plus, our loss of memory is mostly an atrophy problem, which can be fixed simply by using it more often and more rigorously 13:43 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 < nmz787_i> what other than power/phone-grid fires, explosions, etc? 13:43 < nmz787_i> (would we have to worry about in that case)? 13:43 < Diablo-D3> [04:09:43] Diablo-D3, you have a bunch of openly contentious clusters of neurons in open competition with each other, along with various signals from throughout your body along with autonomous systems that tricks itself into thinking its a continuous whole 13:44 < Diablo-D3> [04:11:23] There was an article about how some neurologists are thinking that each half of your brain is independently "conscious" and that your perception of a single you is a carefully maintained illusion 13:44 < Diablo-D3> but isn't that just multiple personality disorder? 13:44 < Alcyius> Diablo-D3, I wouldn't know, I'm not a neurologist 13:44 < Alcyius> I know enough about the body to say that removing certain parts that aren't even in the brain are enough to cause massive personality changes 13:45 < Alcyius> And enough to extrapolate that that might mean that consciousness is more complicated and we might only have the illusion of it 13:47 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:50 < Alcyius> also ironic hell for science professionals 13:50 < Aurelius_Work2> we don't even know if 'mpd' is real 13:50 < Alcyius> Physicists get to choose between the frictionless vacuum or the infinite plane of uniform density 13:50 < Alcyius> Aurelius_Work2, I have a friend who's been diagnosed with it 13:51 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 < Alcyius> And a professor who worked in a psych ward that specialized in that 13:52 < Alcyius> But again, I'm not convinced that it's not another condition that creates "idnetities" as a coping mechanism for something 13:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:06 < Alcyius> are potatoes allowed on the paleo diet? 14:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:08 < Diablo-D3> white? "yes" but they're rather high in starch, so most people avoid them 14:09 < Diablo-D3> sweet potatoes are fine though 14:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:14 -!- dcentral [~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:ed72:9d1:33a1:7bbd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:34 -!- Taek42 is now known as Taek 14:39 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-55-192.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:44 < kanzure> consciousness is irrelevant. 14:46 -!- atomical [~atomical@172.56.13.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:46 < AdrianG> irrelevant to what? 14:46 < Alcyius> To our goals 14:47 < archels> but how will we upload the philosophers 14:47 < AdrianG> pretty sure its actually rather central, instead. 14:48 < Alcyius> AdrianG, what we mean is that as long as we can make a reasonable fascimile, the philosophical question of what it is, or if it even is a thing, is irrelevant 14:48 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:49 < kanzure> yeah i mean even 90% memory loss, or 99.999% memory loss, would be an amazingly useful development. 14:49 < Alcyius> I mean, given time, we'll have that anyways 14:49 < AdrianG> memory isn't consciousness. 14:49 < nmz787_i> Alcyius: that sounds reasonable... basically stop worrying about why, and start to think practically 14:49 < nmz787_i> 'how' 14:49 < AdrianG> Alcyius: create a fascimile? 14:49 < nmz787_i> AdrianG: upload a copy of yourself 14:50 < nmz787_i> .g facsimile 14:50 < yoleaux> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile 14:50 < Alcyius> Or a reasonable approximation 14:50 < nmz787_i> .wik facsimile 14:50 < yoleaux> "A facsimile (from Latin fac simile ('make alike'), a spelling that remained in currency until the late 19th century) is a copy or reproduction of an old book, manuscript, map, art print, or other item of historical value that is as true to the original source as possible. It differs from other forms of reproduction by attempting to …" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile 14:50 < Alcyius> Especially for the rest of the body 14:50 < Alcyius> The only important part that you need to get copied is the brain 14:50 < Alcyius> The rest can be approximated 14:52 < AdrianG> hopefully our thinking process doesnt't require quantum machines to replicate. 14:53 < kanzure> https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases 14:53 < nmz787_i> AdrianG: meh, that would only mean our capability is greater, right? 14:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:53 < nmz787_i> it would mean we're quantum beings 14:54 < AdrianG> nmz787_i: and possibly uncopyable. 14:54 < kanzure> re: memory isn't "consciousness"- first, i wouldn't care about that, but also, i suspect that even 0.0000001% "consciousness" would be useful. 14:54 < Alcyius> Oh wow I forgot about parasyte 14:55 < AdrianG> kanzure: how would you even measure 0.001 or whatever amount of it? 14:55 < Alcyius> Is Mr. Osomatsu any good? 14:55 < Alcyius> whoops 14:55 < Alcyius> wrong channel 14:56 < kanzure> AdrianG: it's immeasurable because it's imaginary 14:57 < AdrianG> i.e. we are automata, etc? 14:57 < kanzure> as opposed to what ? 14:58 -!- atomical [~atomical@172.56.13.255] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:59 < AdrianG> kanzure: what if its immeasurable because its binary 14:59 < AdrianG> you are either on or off. 14:59 < kanzure> and what are the consequences of off? 15:00 < AdrianG> we dont even fully know what on means, i think 15:00 < AdrianG> even easy problems, like attention, are very poorly understood at the moment. 15:02 < kanzure> yeah i have no problem ignoring this. sounds like a waste of time. 15:02 < kanzure> attention is pretty well understood. 15:03 -!- atomical [~atomical@172.56.13.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:03 < AdrianG> we would have to understand conciousness in order to fully understand attention. 15:04 < AdrianG> im talking about this in biomedical sense. 15:05 < AdrianG> we've only recently realized some "brain-dead" patients aren't really dead. coma, anaesthesia, locked-in syndromes - they aren't very well understood at all. 15:05 < kanzure> that sounds more like a complaint about the definition of brain dead, rather than a useful definition of consciousness 15:07 -!- sparqz [~sparqz@50.90.13.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:09 < AdrianG> kanzure: we have known ether can produce anaesthesia since 1500s 15:09 < AdrianG> its what we still use to this day, mostly. 15:10 -!- atomical [~atomical@172.56.13.255] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 < AdrianG> does that sound like something we've figured out? 15:10 < Diablo-D3> AdrianG: except for the fact that 15:10 < Diablo-D3> a lot of brain dead patients 15:10 < Diablo-D3> have no ecg 15:10 < AdrianG> it's of course halogenated ethers today, but basically the exact same chemical. 15:10 < sparqz> Anyone have any good tips on hacking the brain? 15:10 < AdrianG> ecg or eeg? 15:11 < Diablo-D3> e... whatever the fuck the brain is 15:11 < Diablo-D3> eeg? 15:11 < AdrianG> no ecg will probably end your brain in a few minutes. 15:11 < Diablo-D3> no brainwaves 15:12 < archels> there's degrees of consciousness. people have developed quantitative scales for this 15:12 < archels> AdrianG: interesting comment, re the anaesthesia 15:13 < Diablo-D3> okay so 15:13 < Diablo-D3> I have a theory 15:13 < Diablo-D3> you know how in movies theres scenes with people stuck in the dream world, and the outside world keeps hinting to them how to wake up? 15:13 < Diablo-D3> apparently in my dream, I talk to people on IRC 15:13 < Diablo-D3> because Im doing it right now 15:14 < Diablo-D3> you know what makes me think this is all a dream? 15:14 < Diablo-D3> I keep being told to think positive because it attracts good things 15:15 < nmz787_i> think bad so it attracts bad things works too though 15:15 < Diablo-D3> like, worried about money? dont, because that doesnt attract money 15:15 < Diablo-D3> and Im like 15:15 < Diablo-D3> but logically, that cannot change anything because whats inside the inner universe doesnt effect the outer universe 15:15 < Diablo-D3> yet, everyone keeps saying this, and sometimes even proves it works 15:16 < Diablo-D3> ergo, this universe must be inside the dream 15:24 < nmz787_i> got 2 8bitdo bluetooth controllers today 15:24 < nmz787_i> kanzure: whats a good emulator for android? 15:24 < nmz787_i> (game e\umulator 15:24 < nmz787_i> grrr 15:24 < nmz787_i> not keyboarding well today 15:30 < kanzure> i think there's a gambatte port for android 15:30 < Diablo-D3> what, no snes9x port? 15:31 < kanzure> i don't remember. 15:31 < Diablo-D3> snes9x is eevverryywhheerree 15:31 < Diablo-D3> its not even that good of an engine 15:32 < nmz787_i> my friend doesn't know how to play video games... so I am not sure what to introduce them to... i guess mario and mario kart 15:32 * Diablo-D3 should dig out an emu and play earthbound again 15:33 < nmz787_i> well this /is/ a dream, so you have plenty of time to waste! 15:33 < Diablo-D3> nope pretty sure im dying 15:37 < nmz787_i> well also I think kanzure would advocate self-learning or something to make wise use of dream-time 15:37 -!- sparqz [~sparqz@50.90.13.16] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 15:39 < archels> you're not dying, you're living 15:45 < Diablo-D3> no see 15:45 < Diablo-D3> why else is it trying to wake me up so badly 15:45 < Diablo-D3> if Im not dying 15:50 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 15:51 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@ery40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:52 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-204-89-58.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:58 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-204-169-87.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:13 -!- xrr [~quassel@c21-76.uvn.zone.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14 -!- xrr [~quassel@c21-76.uvn.zone.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:24 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- CautiousNarwhal [ad03d8c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.3.216.198] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- CautiousNarwhal [ad03d8c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.3.216.198] has quit [Client Quit] 16:30 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@ery40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:39 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:42 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@ip174-71-127-74.om.om.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- atomical [~atomical@172.56.13.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:58 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:59 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haymidsdxhdlfkzs] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:01 -!- jtimon [~quassel@74.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:07 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:41 < FourFire> SpaceX Success! 17:45 -!- triggerwarning [~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:ed72:9d1:33a1:7bbd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- triggerwarning [~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:ed72:9d1:33a1:7bbd] has quit [Changing host] 17:45 -!- triggerwarning [~IGLC@unaffiliated/triggerwarning] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:47 -!- Act [uid89656@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xsltdwpuhmoafyoj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:55 < FourFire> kanzure, love your commitment to lifelogging 17:56 < FourFire> > Alcyius> Melatonin has really bad effects on me Gives me the worst nightmares 17:56 < FourFire> find a way to defeat the nightmares, I have. 17:58 < Alcyius> My nightmares are weird 17:59 < Alcyius> No images and disjointed audio but I just wake up in terror with myheart racing 18:00 < nmz787_i> FourFire: spacex video link? 18:00 < nmz787_i> I can't find anything on the webcast page now 18:02 < nmz787_i> oh, got it 18:03 < nmz787_i> https://t.co/ABesypRsWK 18:04 < nmz787_i> translatest to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4&feature=youtu.be&t=41m47s 18:06 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:10 < FourFire> > what does it say about someone if they have many or few multiverse copies of themselves in current existence? 18:10 < FourFire> Average Micromort exposure 18:14 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:14 < FourFire> > also, is anyone else here Childfree? 18:14 < FourFire> what did you mean? 18:14 < Alcyius> FourFire, Consciously choosing to not have children 18:15 < Alcyius> as a lifestyle choice 18:17 < FourFire> > But we'd have bigger problems to worry about 18:17 < FourFire> "The boat is sinking anyway, so lets make sure there are no intact lifevests on board!" 18:18 < FourFire> We've "got bigger problems" right now, that doesn't mean everything ecept the single largest problem should be ignored 18:19 < Alcyius> That wasn't the point I was trying to make 18:20 < Alcyius> He was saying that our reliance on the internet as a prosthetic memory wasn't a good thing, I was arguing that the only things that would cause the internet as a whole to end that catastrophically would be much worse problems than just the internet being gone 18:22 < Alcyius> Anything capable of permanently disrupting the internet on a worldwide scale would likely cause a restructuring of society as well 18:22 < Alcyius> A CK-End-of-the-World Scenario. 18:23 < Alcyius> Most important things that you'd personally want to know are what foods you can eat and grow in your area for proper nutrition, and how to store enough food to last the winter 18:23 < Alcyius> Couople books on proper diet and area-appropriate farming and you're good 18:23 < Alcyius> I live near amish country so I'd actually have it pretty good in that event 18:23 < FourFire> yes I am currently not planning to have children 18:24 < FourFire> I figure investing the resources into personal prodcutvitity will produce a better payoff 18:24 < Alcyius> I just hate kids 18:25 < FourFire> Well that too, and I've personally experienced that even people who really care about being good parents can't fill the parent role very well 18:25 < FourFire> I expect not to be a good parent, so why risk burdening the world with more broken people 18:27 < Alcyius> this is hilarious 18:29 < FourFire> ? 18:30 < Alcyius> watching a show 18:39 -!- jcluck is now known as cluckj 18:42 < Alcyius> this rice is weird 18:42 < Alcyius> It's very 18:42 < Alcyius> coarse? 18:42 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 < cluckj> like not cooked in enough water, or for not long enough? 18:59 < Alcyius> Not cooked long enough I think 19:00 < cluckj> cook it more 19:01 < Alcyius> It's chipotle 19:01 < Alcyius> That's not really an option anymore 19:06 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:07 < cluckj> oh 19:07 < cluckj> bummer 19:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:47 < nmz787_i> .title https://github.com/greggman/html5bytebeat 19:47 < yoleaux> greggman/html5bytebeat · GitHub 19:55 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:33 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:111d:e0c7:64b3:a0d7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:41 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@195.114.249.170] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11 -!- neurodata [~neurodata@c-98-255-193-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:20 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fzwnckehjoctwucx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haymidsdxhdlfkzs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:30 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:33 -!- neurodata [~neurodata@c-98-255-193-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39 < kanzure> hrm 21:58 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- Guest44 [~textual@99-95-138-252.lightspeed.bkfdca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:04 -!- Guest44 [~textual@99-95-138-252.lightspeed.bkfdca.sbcglobal.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 22:19 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:21 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bwopldfieolcsefk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:36 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01 < maaku> Alcyius: I find myself incapable of trusting the judgement on some matters of people who have not had children 23:22 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:33 -!- FourFire [FourFire@cm-84.215.195.59.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:52 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 -!- Act [uid89656@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-weubueydguaopvdl] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Dec 22 00:00:43 2015