--- Log opened Sat Jan 02 00:00:53 2016 00:21 -!- BobaMa [bobama@kapsi.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:26 -!- Guest44384 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:39 -!- Guest66057 [~vh4x0r@mail.vikraman.org] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 00:39 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:08 < docl> I feel smarter when I take modafinil, fwiw 01:21 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:26 -!- Guest44327 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:32 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:32 -!- Guest44327 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33 < Jawmare> good nootropic for a first timer? 01:39 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:48 < Diablo-D3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HCN_channel#Current_brain-related_research 01:48 < Diablo-D3> I wish they'd further that research 01:51 < Diablo-D3> Damnit, I'm doing that thing where I read all of wikipedia 01:51 < Diablo-D3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orexin 01:51 < Diablo-D3> "Orexin-producing cells have recently been shown to be inhibited by leptin (through the leptin receptor pathway), but are activated by ghrelin and hypoglycemia (glucose inhibits orexin production). Orexin, as of 2007, is claimed to be a very important link between metabolism and sleep regulation." 01:51 < Diablo-D3> see, I didn't know leptin could do that 01:57 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:59 -!- Pobway [~Pobway@d206-116-250-4.bchsia.telus.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 02:02 < juul> kanzure: ? 02:04 < Jawmare> so just ordered some noopept and a-GPC 02:23 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:52 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:57 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-whhtvbazrtprcduh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:30 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- Act [uid89656@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvilmtaxmsvbdowi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:49 -!- Guest33826 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:54 -!- zadock [~outsider@82.137.15.108] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:21 -!- Guest33826 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28 -!- zadock [~outsider@82.137.15.108] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:30 -!- Guest88082 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:43 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:50 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alneiwevvjciwkci] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:55 -!- c0rw|zZz is now known as c0rw1n 05:23 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:23 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:49 -!- Guest88082 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.26.140] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:39 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:42 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:47 -!- Guest80305 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:21 -!- Guest80305 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26 -!- pbunny [~pbunny@no-ip.india.sh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:27 < pbunny> hi 08:27 < pbunny> plz any decent studies on reasons for slowing reaction time in aging people 08:27 < pbunny> e.g. in video games 08:30 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:33 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:14 < kanzure> "‘Advances in understanding mechanisms of thalamic relays in cognition and behavior" https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anna_Mitchell3/publication/268233389_Advances_in_understanding_mechanisms_of_thalamic_relays_in_cognition_and_behavior/links/546df3530cf2b5fc176024f8.pdf 09:25 -!- Act [uid89656@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnngqwbrfgphxrjp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- bromazepam [~joe@host-92-16-190-119.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- Guest27263 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- bromazepam [~joe@host-92-16-190-119.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34 -!- flubromazepam [~joe@host-92-16-190-119.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- flubromazepam [~joe@host-92-16-190-119.as13285.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:36 -!- flubromazepam [~joe@host-92-16-190-119.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 < flubromazepam> turns out nefiracetam sorts out a coke comedown 09:38 < pbunny> BS 09:38 < pbunny> never had it 09:38 < flubromazepam> then how could you know? 09:39 < pbunny> did you check whether you took coke with it? 09:39 < flubromazepam> i took nefi after my last line to east the comedown 09:39 < flubromazepam> ease* 09:40 < flubromazepam> along with picamilon 09:40 < pbunny> sry, misread as "causes coke comedown" 09:40 < pbunny> nvm 09:40 < flubromazepam> oohhhh 09:40 < flubromazepam> fair one bro 09:41 < flubromazepam> (Y) 09:43 -!- Guest27263 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43 -!- flubromazepam [~joe@host-92-16-190-119.as13285.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45 -!- bromazepam [~joe@host-92-16-190-119.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:30 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.26.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:15 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmrmjastlvfljtik] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:16 < kanzure> scihub is back up at http://sci-hub.cc/ 11:18 < kanzure> https://vk.com/sci_hub https://www.facebook.com/sci.hub.org https://twitter.com/Sci_Hub 11:18 < superkuh> Yay? But was it ever really down? sci-hub.io worked for me over the interim. 11:19 < superkuh> Well, worked as long as I was going over Tor. 11:20 < kanzure> scihub22266oqcxt.onion 11:21 < kanzure> .title http://444.hu/2015/12/03/kutatok-gerillaforradalma-zajlik-a-szabadon-hozzaferheto-tudasert 11:21 < yoleaux> Kutatók gerillaforradalma zajlik a szabadon hozzáférhető tudásért - 444 11:22 < kanzure> https://knowledgeutopia.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/the-burning-of-library-nu/ 11:25 < kanzure> sci-hub.cc/dns suggests using 31.184.194.81 as a dns server, and sci-hub.club 11:26 < kanzure> http://commons.com.ua/ru/na-znak-solidarnosti-z-resursami-library-genesis-ta-sci-hub/ 11:26 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 < superkuh> gigapedia -(replace)-> library.nu -(replace)-> libgen -(split)-> sci-hub ? 11:29 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qwzzzkfemlaquxvg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:34 < kanzure> "current city: Kuala Lumpur" 11:39 < kanzure> wat? "Самая крупная и опасная научная секта на пост-советском пространстве" 11:40 < kanzure> "biggest and most dangerous ? science in after soviet ??" 11:43 < kanzure> some sort of paper recommendation engine thingy https://www.pubchase.com/ 11:44 < kanzure> protocols.io only has 345 protocols? next.. 11:44 < kanzure> http://svpow.com/2013/12/06/elsevier-is-taking-down-papers-from-academia-edu/ 11:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48 < kanzure> more libgen http://serious.freeonsciencelibraryguide.com/ 11:48 < kanzure> ouch there is broken php on this page 11:51 < kanzure> .title http://www.nature.com/news/pirate-research-paper-sites-play-hide-and-seek-with-publishers-1.18876 11:51 < yoleaux> Pirate research-paper sites play hide-and-seek with publishers : Nature News & Comment 11:51 < kanzure> http://online.golibgen.com/ is a useful redirecter 11:52 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/libgen_project 11:53 < kanzure> http://librusec.ucoz.de/forum/26 11:54 < kanzure> http://cyberleninka.ru/ http://expaper.cn/ (although i could never figure out how to use expaper... so far.) 12:14 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:15 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:20 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:24 < kanzure> .title http://custodians.online/ 12:24 < yoleaux> In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-hub 12:25 < kanzure> weird that they are motivating this with complaints about profit margins. i think there are much better reasons to use. 12:26 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:26 < kanzure> buncha translations of that page... http://monoskop.org/log/?p=15700 etc. 12:28 < kanzure> 1K4t2vSBSS2xFjZ6PofYnbgZewjeqbG1TM (scihub) 12:29 < poppingtonic> the fact that they charge at all is the problem? 12:31 < kanzure> yeah i am kinda surprised to see this so poorly argued 12:32 < poppingtonic> let's make a better one, then. 12:32 < kanzure> nah faster to just write good code 12:38 < kanzure> why did it take her that long to bother with tor? http://vk.com/sci_hub?w=wall-36928352_5896 12:38 < kanzure> that was november 2015 12:56 -!- CautiousNarwhal [6426b21d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.100.38.178.29] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:58 < kanzure> wow marcin emailed me for once 13:03 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 < AdrianG> so sci hub is like an elsevier dump or something? 13:15 < kanzure> nah they just have ezproxy passwords 13:15 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/blob/master/urls.txt 13:15 < kanzure> and then scihub proxies over ezproxy proxies 13:15 < kanzure> proxies all the way down 13:15 < AdrianG> oic 13:16 < AdrianG> bless russia and their refusal to enforce copyright 13:16 < kanzure> kuala lumpur is not russia 13:16 < AdrianG> vk.com is a russian website? 13:16 < AdrianG> they are actually in kuala lumpur..? 13:16 < kanzure> alexandra is in kuala lumpur 13:17 < kanzure> (apparently) 13:18 < AdrianG> who's alexandra? sry i just re-connected. 13:19 < kanzure> go away and fuck off 13:19 < AdrianG> why u so rude, srsly? 13:20 < kanzure> if you can't even be bothered to read then why the fuck should i believe that you are going to spontaneously read new messages from me? 13:20 < kanzure> it's a completely fucking unjustifiable position for you to have and i hope you die 13:20 < AdrianG> i will be honest. 13:20 < AdrianG> i dont know how to grep the previous log, actually lol 13:20 < AdrianG> never learned for this client. 13:24 < AdrianG> oic. its sci hub's founder. 13:24 < AdrianG> you could've just said that. 13:25 < kanzure> she already got upset about me doxxing her the first time 13:25 < kanzure> it's a legitimate concern in my opinion. 13:26 < AdrianG> why would you doxx her? 13:26 < kanzure> (although ultimately it wasn't my uncovering that lead them to discovering its operator) 13:26 < kanzure> well at the time i thought it was obvious that she was the only person on the internet with a 90 degree rotated profile pic of her 13:29 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qwzzzkfemlaquxvg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:29 < AdrianG> she is either very naive, or has very rich/well connected parents. 13:30 < kanzure> more likely she was unaware that i would recognize her profile pic again, or that i would remember her from harvard 13:30 < kanzure> or unaware of reverse image search 13:31 < AdrianG> its not about that. 13:31 < AdrianG> that she publically would write letters to a judge about the elsevier lawsuit, etc etc etc 13:31 -!- Guest76880 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:36 -!- Guest76880 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:45 < CautiousNarwhal> is there a way to highlight messages on the logs page of the channel? like a java script or something like that? 13:46 < maaku> Yes but Then it wouldn't be text 13:47 < kanzure> i have not found an irc log to html converter that i like.. 13:52 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:f35:d0c2:b228:f0f5:434c:8eee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:f35:d0c2:b228:f0f5:434c:8eee] has quit [Changing host] 13:52 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 < kanzure> this is a surprisingly stupid and bad idea https://github.com/mgedmin/irclog2html/blob/cfefff0d191a17cbdab4bab4c99a638ce9d15105/src/irclog2html/irclog2html.py#L631 13:54 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:57 < pompolic> oh wow 14:00 < kanzure> makes anchor links useless when there are multiple messages in a single time period 14:00 < kanzure> should be using a counter instead 14:01 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:05 < pompolic> or... a library to generate html 14:05 < pompolic> for that matter 14:05 < pompolic> instead of printf 14:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:26 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ueuerbuzhoxeozuf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 -!- Guest50709 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:41 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:02 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- gentoognuhurd [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:52 -!- atomical [~atomical@mf25036d0.tmodns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 < xentrac> kanzure: the profit margins thing makes sense --- the money that universities are obliged to pay to Elsevier is money that they could have paid to adjunct faculty or simply not charged in tuition in the first place 15:54 < xentrac> I mean monopoly power is not bad in itself; it's bad because it has bad effects, which are things like adjunct faculty living in poverty and graduates struggling under student loan debt 15:56 < xentrac> and the causal link there runs through the large profits (and large payrolls!) of the publishing companies that are abusing the monopoly power 15:59 -!- Guest50709 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:59 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:00 < kanzure> xentrac: i think a stronger argument would be "yo this is tax payer dollars doing research and intellectual property doesn't seem to make sense, has anyone noticed how the patent system was not designed for any of this" 16:00 < kanzure> and then insert some more complaints about copyright law 16:01 -!- Guest51007 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:01 < xentrac> most people will want to see that intellectual property law causes bad outcomes in order to reject it 16:03 < kanzure> there was a study about this, i mean not about their expectations but rather about the patent system 16:03 < kanzure> http://archive.mises.org/18812/andrew-torrance-patents-and-the-regress-of-useful-arts/ 16:03 < poppingtonic> kanzure: I think they already made that argument, except the detail about patents. 16:03 < kanzure> ugh they changed their site 16:03 < kanzure> aaaa not available http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://mises.org/blog/18812/andrew-torrance-patents-and-the-regress-of-useful-arts 16:03 < kanzure> i hate everyone 16:04 < xentrac> haha 16:04 < xentrac> also patents are not really relevant to sci-hub 16:04 < kanzure> it's relevant to complaining about tax dollars and research 16:05 < kanzure> and closed-access stuff 16:07 < kanzure> i think we have to start manually archiving all linked content in here :| 16:08 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:10 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:fdc:24fd:d407:972f:66a3:6c5d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:18 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:fdc:24fd:d407:972f:66a3:6c5d] has quit [Changing host] 16:18 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 < streety> why manually? 16:22 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@mf25036d0.tmodns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:26 -!- atomical [~atomical@mf25036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:37 -!- dcentral [~IGLC@206.251.40.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:38 -!- gentoognuhurd is now known as justanotheruser 16:38 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:38 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:41 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- atomica__ [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@mf25036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:46 -!- Guest51007 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:47 -!- atomical [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:53 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 < poppingtonic> making sure stuff we link to here is also on the Internet Archive, by requesting that they archive a specific link. Easier on storage costs. 17:23 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:28 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:35 < kanzure> manually as in "ourselves" 17:35 < kanzure> internet archive also doesn't do recursion when you request them to save a link 17:36 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 17:54 < kanzure> what algorithm or method does boston dynamics use? 17:54 < kanzure> also, what is the actual difficulty in bipedalism? calculating centers of mass ? 18:10 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10076817 18:10 < yoleaux> Ask HN: If deep learning is so effective why dont Boston Dynamics robots use it? | Hacker News 18:10 < kanzure> haha 18:47 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:51 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmrmjastlvfljtik] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:51 < AdrianG> kanzure: i think the difficulty is not so much the center of mass, but detecting slippage/sensors, rebalancing quick enough 19:30 -!- irctc575 [252c5dd2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.44.93.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- irctc575 [252c5dd2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.44.93.210] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utlgnjtbqjjctozf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:04 < kanzure> "A minute analysis (experimental) of the various movements produced by stimulating in the monkey different regions of the cortical centre for the upper limb" (1887) 20:04 < kanzure> apparently there were early motor cortex mapping efforts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_cortex#History 20:07 < kanzure> "The clearest example of the coordination of muscles into complex movement in the motor cortex comes from the work of Graziano and colleagues on the monkey brain.[11][24] They used electrical stimulation on a behavioral time scale, such as for half a second instead of the more typical hundredth of a second. They found that this type of stimulation of the monkey motor cortex often evoked complex, meaningful actions. For example, ... 20:07 < kanzure> ... stimulation of one site in cortex would cause the hand to close, move to the mouth, and the mouth to open. Stimulation of another site would cause the hand to open, rotate until the grip faced outward, and the arm to project out as if the animal were reaching." 20:07 < kanzure> [24] Complex movements evoked by microstimulation of precentral cortex http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(02)00698-0 20:09 < kanzure> "According to the principle of proper mass, “the mass of neural tissue controlling a particular function is appropriate to the amount of information processing involved in performing the function.[63]”" (Jerison, Harry (1973). Evolution of the Brain and Intelligence) 20:09 < kanzure> but.. shouldn't information processing amounts have a unit of measurement? 20:10 < kanzure> "Enhancements to the motor cortex (and the presence of opposable thumbs and stereoscopic vision) were evolutionarily selected to prevent primates from making mistakes in the dangerous motor skill of leaping between tree branches (Cartmill, 1974; Silcox, 2007). As a result of this pressure, the motor system of arboreal primates has a disproportionate degree of somatotopic representation of the hands and feet, which is essential for ... 20:10 < kanzure> ... grasping (Nambu, 2011; Pons et al., 1985; Gentilucci et al., 1988)." 20:11 < kanzure> cool there is a book called "Textbook of therapeutic cortical stimulation" 20:21 < kanzure> http://librusec.webtalk.ru/ 20:27 < AdrianG> awesome. 20:27 < AdrianG> now we can all learn to swing from tree to tree, just like the gibbons. 20:27 < kanzure> i think librusec is "ЛИБРУСЕК" 20:27 < AdrianG> :o 20:27 < kanzure> something something opds tinyopds http://lib.rus.ec/opds 20:28 < AdrianG> lol hosted in equador, NICE 20:28 -!- dcentral [~IGLC@206.251.40.170] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:28 < AdrianG> very nice jurisdiction arbitrage. 20:30 < kanzure> http://booktracker.org/ 20:32 < AdrianG> kanzure: isnt this chat publically logged 20:39 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:42 -!- amiller [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:42 -!- amiller is now known as Guest25458 20:43 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-184-73-68-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-147-5-238.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:47 < AdrianG> kanzure: you will find this interesting. 20:47 < AdrianG> http://downloads.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/814068.pdf 20:47 < AdrianG> .title http://downloads.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/814068.pdf 20:47 < yoleaux> AdrianG: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page. 20:47 < AdrianG> doesnt extract from PDFs i guess. 20:48 < AdrianG> Phytochemicals That Regulate Neurodegenerative Disease byTargeting Neurotrophins: A Comprehensive Review 20:48 < AdrianG> very nice review of currently available neurotrophins. 20:49 < kanzure> "Dissociation between mental fatigue and motivational state during prolonged mental activity" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4499755/ 20:49 -!- atomica__ [~atomical@209.153.22.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:51 < kanzure> "The motor cortex communicates with the kidney" http://www.jneurosci.org/content/32/19/6726.long 20:51 < CautiousNarwhal> nice find 20:56 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:58 < AdrianG> kanzure: very nice find on mental fatigue. 21:04 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:04 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:06 < kanzure> "Cerebellar networks with the cerebral cortex and basal ganglia" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3645327/ 21:07 < kanzure> "The dominant view of cerebellar function has been that it is exclusively concerned with motor control and coordination. Recent results from neuroanatomical, behavioral and imaging studies have profoundly changed this view. Neuroanatomical studies using virus transneuronal tracers have demonstrated that the output from the cerebellum reaches vast areas of the neocortex, including regions of prefrontal and posterior parietal cortex. ... 21:07 < kanzure> ... Furthermore, it has recently become clear that the cerebellum is reciprocally connected with the basal ganglia, indicating that the two subcortical structures are part of a densely interconnected network. Altogether, these results provide the neuroanatomical substrate for cerebellar involvement in non-motor functions mediated by the prefrontal and posterior parietal cortex, as well as in processes traditionally associated with the ... 21:07 < kanzure> ... basal ganglia." 21:07 < Jawmare> so I ordered some noopept and a-GPC.. should I run a GC/MS analysis on it? 21:07 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:08 < Jawmare> before consuming it 21:08 < kanzure> "Prior neuroanatomical approaches for examining cerebro-cerebellar and cerebello-basal ganglia circuits have been hindered by a number of technical limitations. Chief among these limitations is the multisynaptic nature of these pathways and the inability of conventional tracers to label more than the direct inputs or outputs of an area. To overcome these and other problems, neurotropic viruses have been used as transneuronal tracers in ... 21:08 < AdrianG> Jawmare: you have access to mass spec? 21:08 < kanzure> ... the central nervous system of primates (for references and a review, see [10, 138]. Selected strains of virus move transneuronally in either the retrograde or anterograde direction [10]. Thus, one can examine either the inputs to or the outputs from a site. The viruses used as tracers move from neuron to neuron exclusively at synapses, and the transneuronal transport occurs in a time dependent fashion. Careful adjustment of the ... 21:08 < kanzure> ... survival time after a virus injection allows for the study of neural circuits composed of two (2nd order), three (3rd order), or four (4th order) synaptically connected neurons [139]." 21:08 < kanzure> [10] Cerebellar loops with motor cortex and prefrontal cortex of a nonhuman primate. 21:08 < kanzure> [138] Rabies as a transneuronal tracer of circuits in the central nervous system. 21:08 < Jawmare> AdrianG, my uni have a characterization service 21:09 < kanzure> [139] Transneuronal tracing with neurotropic viruses reveals network macroarchitecture. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3920982/ 21:09 < Jawmare> or just take an NMR 21:10 < AdrianG> Jawmare: pls do that and tell me your result 21:10 < AdrianG> i am interested in reliability testing of nootropic suppliers. 21:11 < kanzure> gwern might have done this already 21:13 < Alcyius> this is interesting http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/01/reusable-sugar-based-polymer-purifies-water-fast/ 21:14 < Jawmare> AdrianG, just a lowly undergrad... when I am doing my Master/PhD I can use an NMR without supervision 21:15 < Jawmare> when I will* 21:17 < kanzure> "Cerebellar networks with basal ganglia: feasibility for tracking cerebello-pallidal and subthalamo-cerebellar projections in the human brain" https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marc_Tittgemeyer/publication/251567953_Cerebellar_networks_with_basal_ganglia_feasibility_for_tracking_cerebello-pallidal_and_subthalamo-cerebellar_projections_in_the_human_brain/links/54e376290cf2b2314f5d2ece.pdf 21:17 < AdrianG> kanzure: idk about gwern. but after seeing the mass spec/nmr some of the post 21:18 < AdrianG> quite a few of them sell dirty batches, its obvious. 21:18 < AdrianG> some of the suppliers* 21:22 -!- Guest25458 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.26.140] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 < AdrianG> kanzure: how did you develop your interest in modifying neural circuits with viruses/etc? 21:24 < AdrianG> it sounds very much like something vernor vinge wrote in his novels. 21:26 -!- Guest56234 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 < kanzure> "The extensive functional coupling of the cerebellar cortex with association neocortical areas likely reflects an expanded role for the human cerebellum in non-motor function. This notion is supported by the finding that the non-motor domain in the cerebellar cortex of great apes and humans has expanded to mirror the enlargement of the prefrontal cortex [54]. Difussion tractography MRI results also provide evidence for corresponding ... 21:27 < kanzure> ... increases in prefrontal contributions to the cortico-ponto-cerebellar system in humans [55]. Interestingly, some association cortical regions that have limited or no known projections to the cerebellum in the monkey (such as ventral area 46 and regions in orbitofrontal cortex, see [1] and Figure 1) show functional coupling to cerebellar cortex in the human. Thus, an expanded array of neocortical areas may interact with the cerebellum ... 21:27 < kanzure> ... in humans." 21:27 < kanzure> [54] Evolution of the cerebellar cortex: the selective expansion of prefrontal-projecting cerebellar lobules. http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs379c/archive/2012/suggested_reading_list/supplements/documents/BalstersetalNEUROIMAGE-09.pdf 21:36 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:40 -!- Guest56234 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:44 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:45 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:51 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:53 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:07 -!- CautiousNarwhal [6426b21d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.100.38.178.29] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:09 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:16 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:17 -!- Joshua__ is now known as Josh|NH4H 22:50 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-apayssqpsbzqtfon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:50 -!- Guest55894 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:03 -!- Guest55894 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:05 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:15 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:27 -!- Act [uid89656@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnngqwbrfgphxrjp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.178.3.223] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sun Jan 03 00:00:54 2016