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02:27 < archels> kanzure: cheers
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04:49 < kanzure> hmph
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05:06 < pink_vampire> hi
05:12 < kanzure> yes?
05:18 < pink_vampire> first time here..
05:18 < pink_vampire> sounds like a very cool place.
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05:31 < pink_vampire> kanzure: ?
05:31 < kanzure> what?
05:32 < fenn> hi pink_vampire
05:33 < pink_vampire> hi fenn
05:34 < fenn> i'm sort of curious how you ended up here
05:34 < pink_vampire> I like biology
05:35 < pink_vampire> and I'm also in to meta working..
05:35 < pink_vampire> fenn: ^
05:36 < pink_vampire> and I think I remember you from linuxcnc
05:36 < pink_vampire> metal*
05:37 < kanzure> you're not wrong
05:37 < pink_vampire> and you also...
05:37 < pink_vampire> mmm
05:40 < fenn> i am currently trying to find information on the chemistry of sharp cheddar cheese, but this is harder to find than i expected
05:40 < fenn> my understanding was that aged/sharp cheeses had high levels of free amino acids, so they improved flavor the same way MSG does (because they include "natural" MSG)
05:41 < pink_vampire> I'm not in to cheese at alll
05:41 < pink_vampire> lactose intolerance..
05:42 < fenn> i have this weird numbness/tingling/hypersensitivity thing going on in my hand that i haven't experienced in almost a year, and i've also just eaten sharp cheddar cheese for the first in about the same amount of time, so i'm trying to figure out what's the connection
05:44 < pink_vampire> fenn: do you want to make cheddar cheese?
05:44 < fenn> no
05:44 < fenn> i'm trying to figure out why my hand feels strange
05:45 < pink_vampire> I'm lost
05:45 < fenn> jrayhawk any ideas?
05:46 < kanzure> pink_vampire: i think you have mistaken fenn's messages for statements directed towards you in particular (they aren't)
05:46 < pink_vampire> o-k..
05:47 < fenn> my problem with the "quinolinic acid endogenous neurotoxin" theory of mental illness is: why doesn't everybody benefit from NMDA antagonists?
05:53 < kanzure> http://blog.agi.io/2015/12/how-to-build-general-intelligence.html
05:55 < fenn> "how to build a general intelligence: lots of boxes and arrows"
05:55 < pink_vampire> lol
05:56 < kanzure> fenn: that's not fair. most agi people have ignored large chunks of neuroanatomy for a very long time.
05:57 < fenn> i don't know what "project AGI"/agi.io is
05:58 < kanzure> looks like some random blog
05:59 < pink_vampire> I need AFM.
05:59 < fenn> all the posts are by "dave rawlinson"
05:59 < c0rw1n> fenn: can you rct it? neeeds placebo cheese that tastes just like the cheddar
06:00 < fenn> c0rw1n: no, but it's an obvious enough effect that i'm not worried about placebo
06:00 < c0rw1n> 'k
06:00 < kanzure> an earlier post mentions a recent (2015) jeff hawkins paper, "Why neurons have thousands of synapses: A theory of sequence memory in neocortex" http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.00083
06:00 < pink_vampire> http://www.instructables.com/id/A-Low-Cost-Atomic-Force-Microscope-%E4%BD%8E%E6%88%90%E6%9C%AC%E5%8E%9F%E5%AD%90%E5%8A%9B%E9%A1%AF%E5%BE%AE%E9%8F%A1/
06:01 < kanzure> pink_vampire: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/AFM/
06:02 < c0rw1n> there are fully interconnected nets... someone should make nets with connections graphs similar to the natural ones also; maybe there are, but in the little subset of papers i stumble across i haven't seen such yet
06:03 < fenn> agi.io has a nice set of topics/tags/labels
06:05 < kanzure> http://blog.agi.io/2014/05/thalamocortical-architecture.html
06:05 < kanzure> https://github.com/affogato/cortico-thalamic-circuit
06:05 < kanzure> has svg diagram
06:05 < c0rw1n> Yay
06:05 < archels> that only needs about 9000 more boxes and arrows to approximate actual physiology
06:05 < fenn> i mean these are topics i think are promising areas of research: cortical learning algorithm, general long short-term memory, hierarchical temporal model, memory prediction framework, recurrent neural networks, retina, thalamocortical, visual object recognition
06:06 < fenn> 9 billion
06:06 < fenn> 19 billion*
06:07 < fenn> "how many squares are on a chess board"
06:07 < kanzure> that's a very nihilist approach
06:07 < archels> a finite number
06:07 < kanzure> plus, you already know that human brain matter seems to do interesting things even when forced into very small volumes or weird shapes (hydrocephaly)
06:07 < fenn> the answer is greater than 64
06:08 < kanzure> yes i'm aware that the answer is greater than 64 -_-
06:08 < fenn> most people aren't aware
06:08 < archels> if you're the person painting them on, you might say 32
06:09 < kanzure> what's a quick way to stitch up the cognitive consilience google map tiles
06:09 < kanzure> something something imagemagick, right?
06:09 < fenn> google says 204 www.teachingideas.co.uk/maths/chess.htm
06:09 < fenn> "the 8th pyramid number"
06:10 < fenn> what pyramid number is around 19 billion?
06:11 < fenn> i watched "computer chess" and was thoroughly disappointed. kanzure you should be ashamed for being from the same city this film was produced :D
06:11 < kanzure> austin has many terrible film people.
06:14 < kanzure> montage -border 0 -geometry 16384x -tile 64x48 8-*.jpg final.jpg
06:14 < kanzure> montage -border 0 -geometry 16384x -tile 1x48 8-1-*.jpg final.jpg
06:14 < kanzure> grr...
06:16 < kanzure> montage -border 0 -geometry 512x -tile 1x2 8-31-6.jpg 8-31-7.jpg testing-0001.jpg
06:16 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/c_all/tiles/testing-0001.jpg
06:16 < fenn> python -c "print sum(x**2 for x in range(4000))"
06:16 < fenn> 4000 hierarchical squares have ~21 billion squares total
06:16 < kanzure> .py print sum(x**2 for x in range(4000))
06:16 < yoleaux>
404 Not FoundError: Not Found
The requested URL /py/print%20sum(x**2%20for%20x%20in%20range(4000))
was not found on this server.
06:16 < kanzure> dpk!
06:17 < fenn> 4000 levels of hierarchy i mean
06:18 < kanzure> i wonder if i should downsample these tiles before tiling the tiles....
06:18 < fenn> are you just making a concatenation of a bunch of images?
06:18 < kanzure> cognitive consilience google maps thing
06:18 < kanzure> they did not provide a download of their high-resolution image
06:18 < kanzure> (diagram)
06:18 < kanzure> i was able to get their tiles though
06:19 < kanzure> index of tiles http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/c_all/tiles/
06:19 < kanzure> each one is 256x256 px
06:19 < JayDugger> Good morning everyone.
06:20 < fenn> oh heh this is a pretty similar problem in that it's a hierarchical set of squares that each contain some square number of squares
06:20 < fenn> a map tile contains a square number of map tiles at a higher zoom level
06:24 < fenn> i would do rows and then columns (or the other way around) instead of trying to figure out montage's tile 64x48 syntax to work and put the images in correct order
06:25 < kanzure> partly this is a RAM problem
06:25 < kanzure> i think my original syntax was correct
06:25 < fenn> i think -geometry 16384x is wrong
06:26 < kanzure> 8-64-48 is the "last" tile.
06:26 < kanzure> oh that parameter is the height, apparently...
06:26 < kanzure> so the value should be 12288
06:27 < fenn> less than a gigabyte of ram :P
06:27 < kanzure> maybe montage is just very very bloaty
06:28 < fenn> yeah imagemagick is not very optimized
06:28 < kanzure> it's taking more than a few seconds. i'm pretty sure that's unlikely here.
06:28 < kanzure> montage.im6: unable to acquire cache view `No space left on device' @ fatal/cache-view.c/AcquireAuthenticCacheView/121.
06:28 < kanzure> montage -border 0 -geometry 12288x -tile 1x48 8-31-*.jpg testing-0002.jpg
06:28 < kanzure> right....
06:28 < kanzure> welp i guess i'll write my own pile of shit then
06:29 < juri_> laser tube imploded.
06:29 < juri_> damnit.
06:29 < kanzure> switch to solid state lasers
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06:32 < fenn> if i had a laser i'd laser engrave a hallmark "sorry you lost your laser tube" card with just the right mix of sympathy and humor and sagacity
06:33 < fenn> no wait, i wouldn't
06:33 < kanzure> it's widely known that sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their freaking heads were clearly using solid state lasers
06:33 < fenn> or liquid state lasers
06:34 < fenn> or jello-state lasers http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a6503/how-to-make-a-laser-from-a-gin-and-tonic/
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06:39 < pink_vampire> fenn: you can make laser TEA
06:39 < fenn> yes i've done it
06:40 < fenn> not a cup of tea, but rather some plates of aluminum foil and saran wrap and a high voltage
06:46 < pink_vampire> it's cool!
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06:48 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-diagram.png
06:48 < kanzure> cc archels
06:49 < fenn> large PNG warning!
06:49 < fenn> shouldn't it be a .jpg anyway?
06:49 < kanzure> $ file stitched-diagram.png
06:49 < kanzure> stitched-diagram.png: PNG image data, 2048 x 1536, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
06:50 < fenn> it was made from .jpg tiles
06:50 < kanzure> 70 MB source image (for the love of god don't open this) http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-mega-hyper-diagram.png
06:50 < fenn> it should be a 15MB jpg...
06:51 < kanzure> i wrote this for stitching http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitch.py
06:51 < kanzure> seems that converting from jpg to png is a possible thing
06:51 < fenn> no that's a bad thing to do
06:51 < fenn> bad bad bad
06:51 * kanzure grumbles and untars the tiles again....
06:55 < kanzure> 11 MB source image http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-mega-hyper-diagram.jpg
06:55 < kanzure> 0.5 MB http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-diagram.jpg
06:56 < fenn> shit i opened it :(
06:57 < kanzure> RIP fenn's computer
06:57 < fenn> thrash thrash
06:58 < fenn> hitting your swap limit is always fun
06:58 < kanzure> i can resize smaller if anyone wants
06:59 < fenn> stitched-diagram.jpg contains all the relevant information in the bigger one
06:59 < fenn> but it's probably worth keeping both files
07:00 < poppingtonic> I'm running htop as I open that image. Whoa.
07:00 < kanzure> here's a legend,
07:00 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/images/defineplace.png
07:01 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/images/circuitplace.png
07:01 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/images/detailplace.png
07:01 < kanzure> not sure about the abbreviations like T07 etc...
07:02 < kanzure> those shortcodes don't appear in this file http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/fusiontables/2172063.dat.txt
07:02 < kanzure> 2172063.dat.txt seems to have coordinates for where to put information markers
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07:05 < kanzure> oh actually, it seems that i did not get all of the fusiontable data
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07:26 < kanzure> i think this is everything (1 MB) http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/fusiontables/2120514.dat.txt
07:28 < kanzure> and the "L96" stuff on the image is "first letter of the first author's name, followed by the two-digit year of the publication".
07:34 < kanzure> hmm c_all does not include the axons and projections. i'll have to grab that separately at some point.
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07:49 < kanzure> http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/projects/directed-energy-planetary-defense "DE-STAR or Directed Energy System for Targeting of Asteroids and exploRation is a proposed system to deflect asteroids, comets, and other near Earth objects (NEOS) that pose a credible risk of impact. We propose an orbital planetary defense system capable of heating the surface of potentially hazardous objects to the point of vaporization. DE-STAR is a modular ...
07:49 < kanzure> ... phased array of kilowatt class lasers powered by photovoltaics (PV)."
07:49 < kanzure> asteroid ablation stuff.
07:50 < kanzure> "De-Spinning Asteroids: Using Laser Ablation to Manipulate Asteroid Motion" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Aidan-Gilkes-RMP-Paper-Final-correct-fig-4.pdf
07:51 < kanzure> "Orbital simulations on the deflection of Near Earth Objects by directed energy" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/zhang_spie2015_ASTEROID-r812b.pdf
07:51 < kanzure> "Simulations of directed energy thrust on rotating asteroids" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Griswold_etal_SPIE2015_AsteroidRotation_Paper_R42.pdf
07:51 < kanzure> "Local phase control for a planar array of fiber laser amplifiers" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Steffanic_etal_SPIE2015_PlanarArrayControl_Paper_R02.pdf
07:51 < kanzure> "Space Debris Mitigation Utilizing Laser Ablation" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Final-Draft-Paper.pdf
07:52 < kanzure> "Optical modeling for a laser phased-array directed energy system" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hughes_etal_SPIE2014_OpticalSimulation_Paper_R05.pdf
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08:16 < docl> It would be cool if you could use a phased array to print asteroids to make more lasers.
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08:51 < docl> kanzure: did you get a chance to look at this one? http://www.physics.uci.edu/tajima/Ebisuzakietal2015.pdf
08:52 < docl> from http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-12-05.log
08:52 < JayDugger> Thank you for posting those links, kanzure.
08:54 < kanzure> sorta, yes.
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09:16 < FourFire> Hey, anyone who has collections of textbooks, do they have http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Engineering-Mathematics-Erwin-Kreyszig/dp/0470458364/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me= ?
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10:50 < kanzure> "A new empirical constraint on the prevalence of technological species in the universe" (2015) http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.08837.pdf
10:56 < jrayhawk> fenn: well, things get arbitrarily screwy with e.g. nmda receptor antibodies
10:59 < kanzure> here is a journal of "science fiction studies" http://www.jstor.org/journal/sciefictstud
11:00 < kanzure> which apparently benford has written for http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5612/sciefictstud.42.issue-1
11:01 < Diablo-D3> .title http://www.nature.com/news/alien-life-could-thrive-in-ancient-star-clusters-1.19124
11:01 < yoleaux> Alien life could thrive in ancient star clusters : Nature News & Comment
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11:54 < atomical> i can give emotional support
12:12 < Pathseeker> whats this channel about
12:25 < kanzure> it's about single-neuron electroporation, tool wrench topology optimization, epistemology, dna synthesis, open-source software, and total world domination.
12:26 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d1123255 Bryan Bishop: fix typo in hplusroadmap description >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/hplusroadmap/
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12:44 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/hashes/loghashes.003.txt 93cc643753fc0de59acb96c818ad84c80a6b54d4fdf88f29cc265b369edbfa4c
12:45 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/hplusroadmap-2016-01-07.tar.gz 9a083d7e58cefd90f4a6fac7d29ecdf599e7e86b55a2a18335a23c1ab4805cdd
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12:55 < kanzure> log files: 2008: 277, 2009: 337, 2010: 357, 2011: 362, 2012: 366, 2013: 365, 2014: 365, 2015: 365, 2016: 7
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13:16 < atomical> kanzure: what's your day job?
13:16 < nmz787_i1> bitcoin wizard
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15:30 < kanzure> "Homogeneous cosmology with aggressively expanding civilizations" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.4359.pdf
15:32 < kanzure> "On the visible size and geometry of aggressively expanding civilizations at cosmological distances" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.01521.pdf
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15:48 < docl> xentrac: http://www.jove.com.sci-hub.io/video/4299/fabricating-metamaterials-using-the-fiber-drawing-method
15:52 < docl> .title
15:52 < yoleaux> Fabricating Metamaterials Using the Fiber Drawing Method | Protocol
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15:56 < docl> the shrink indium wire to 10 micrometers, with plastic preforms.
16:18 < kanzure> various doi prefixes https://gist.github.com/TomDemeranville/8699232
16:25 < kanzure> halp i have dropped into the weird area of the internet again
16:25 < kanzure> https://github.com/santex/AI-MicroStructure
16:26 < kanzure> https://github.com/santex/micro-biological
16:26 < kanzure> https://github.com/santex/micro-neuro/tree/master/json
16:41 < kanzure> nmz787_i1: pffft "Nothing is really off-topic unless it is obviously non-productive."
16:46 < nmz787_i1> :D I wasn't sure how to word it better, so I figured I'd better get back to paying work
16:47 < nmz787_i1> if it doesn't propel humanity forward, it isn't productive and therefore not for ##hplusroadmap
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17:51 < docl> "A centimetre-sized preform is assembled by stacking indium wires surrounded by Zeonex29 (a polymer with low absorption at terahertz frequencies) into a hollow polymethyl methacrylate (PMMA) tube. This is heated and drawn to fibre, forming a tapered transition region where the polymer is viscous and the metal is liquid. The end product is a fibre containing a long continuous array of metal microwires.
17:51 < docl> The fibre can be cut into a large number of smaller length devices."
17:51 < docl> http://sci-hub.io/10.1038/ncomms3706
17:53 < docl> .title http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131028/ncomms3706/full/ncomms3706.html
17:53 < yoleaux> Metamaterial fibres for subdiffraction imaging and focusing at terahertz frequencies over optically long distances : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group
17:56 < vicarion> so what are we going to use them for? seeing through clothes?
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18:00 < docl> it seems to be a relatively cheap vector for bootstrapping nanofactories, for one thing
18:06 < docl> with plastic fibers, you don't need as much heat as with glass. if you could get away with a shorter style of drawing tower, it would be roughly as difficult as a reprap or similar plastic extrusion based 3d printer.
18:09 < docl> they use indium for the wire. I wonder if solder would work just as well?
18:32 < docl> (I'm assuming you need a core with a lower melting point than the plastic.)
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19:12 < kanzure> "Multimodal optogenetic neural interfacing device fabricated by scalable optical fiber drawing technique" https://www.osapublishing.org/ao/abstract.cfm?uri=ao-54-34-10068
19:18 < kanzure> "Enhancement of magnetic resonance imaging with metasurfaces" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.01411.pdf
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20:29 < xentrac> I just wrote a super-simple 2-d K-means visualization: http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/81hacks/kmeans/
20:30 < xentrac> oops, wrong channel! sorry
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22:31 < vicarion> a bit off topic, what's the best way to search all the psych and sociology literature at once?
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