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03:10 < TMA> I am learning and evaluating elasticsearch just now. would you mind it if I tried indexing this channel logs?
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03:54 < kanzure> vicarion: google scholar, isi web of knowledge, or download the data yourself.
03:54 < kanzure> TMA: go for it.
03:58 < vicarion> kanzure: thanks, i'd forgotten about web of knowledge
04:07 < cluckj> jstor will have some
04:16 < kanzure> "Extending Landauer's Bound from Bit Erasure to Arbitrary Computation" http://arxiv.org/abs/1508.05319
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04:21 < poppingtonic> kanzure: What kinds of computations lie within the bounds that Wolpert describes?
04:22 < poppingtonic> And isn't "the halting probability of U" undecidable, generally? Seems like this is talking about a distribution of computable functions.
04:23 < poppingtonic> A halting oracle, I think it the term.
04:27 < poppingtonic> Oh man, Wolpert has some pretty neat papers out there.
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04:28 < kanzure> there were also the papers about universal psychometric tests in http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ somewhere
04:28 < kanzure> or http://diyhl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/ maybe
04:32 < kanzure> "Learning universal computation with spikes" http://arxiv.org/abs/1505.07866
04:34 < kanzure> "Recurrent network models for human dynamics" http://arxiv.org/abs/1508.00271 (by which they mean motion)
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05:04 < kanzure> "I think the best defense against the misuse of AI is to empower as many people as possible to have AI. If everyone has AI powers, then there’s not any one person or a small set of individuals who can have AI superpower." (elon musk)
05:04 < kanzure> from https://medium.com/backchannel/how-elon-musk-and-y-combinator-plan-to-stop-computers-from-taking-over-17e0e27dd02a
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05:07 < kanzure> "We think the best way AI can develop is if it’s about individual empowerment and making humans better, and made freely available to everyone, not a single entity that is a million times more powerful than any human." (sam altman)
05:12 < kanzure> haha kurzweil getting paid by the nobel prize committee http://www.kurzweilai.net/ray-kurzweil-talks-and-panels-at-nobel-week-dialog-from-the-nobel-prize-event-video
05:17 < kanzure> hmm "8k tv". well at least we can eventually repurpose that stuff for spatial light modulation, even if the human eye can't visually distinguish the difference. seems like a reasonably good runaway trend to support.
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05:39  * kanzure looks for follow-up to http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/optics/Flat%20optics:%20controlling%20wavefronts%20with%20optical%20antenna%20metasurfaces.pdf
05:48 < kanzure> "Manipulating optical reflections using engineered nanoscale metasurfaces" http://journals.aps.org/prb/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevB.89.235419
06:19 < kanzure> "Recent advances in wavefront shaping techniques for biomedical applications" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.05475.pdf
06:19 < kanzure> "Recently, the modulation of scattered light via ultrasound focusing has been exploited in order to filter out the scattered light that originated from the desired spot inside the medium, which is located via ultrasound focusing [11] (Figs. 4A and 4B). This technique exploits the facts that ultrasound wave can generate a focus deeper than optical wave inside complex media, and the scattered light that originated from an ultrasound focal ...
06:19 < kanzure> ... volume can be frequency shifted due to acoustic modulation. Then, the acoustically modulated scattered light field can be selectively recorded via heterodyne interferometry, because scattered light that are only originated from the ultrasound focus have the shifted frequency, resulting into interference. This scattered light field originated from the ultrasound focus is then replayed to the original location of the ultrasound focus ...
06:19 < kanzure> ... via the optical phase conjugation."
06:22 < kanzure> "Photoacoustic tomography: in vivo imaging from organelles to organs" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322413/
06:22 < kanzure> "Photoacoustic tomography (PAT) can create multiscale multi-contrast images of living biological structures ranging from organelles to organs. This emerging technology overcomes the high degree of scattering of optical photons in biological tissue by using the photoacoustic effect. Light absorption by molecules creates a thermally induced pressure jump that launches ultrasonic waves, which are received with acoustic detectors to form ...
06:23 < kanzure> ... images. ...  As a rule of thumb, the achievable spatial resolution is on the order of 1/200 of the desired imaging depth, which can reach up to 7 cm."
06:24 < kanzure> i bet there are photoacoustic contrast agents
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06:42 < pink_vampire> hi
06:43 < pink_vampire> I'm looking for nice ultrasonic scaler for home use.
06:44 < kanzure> a probe?
06:50 < pink_vampire> yes..
06:50 < pink_vampire> something like that http://img.medicalexpo.com/images_me/photo-g/71620-3899241.jpg
06:50 < atomical> for what?
06:50 < atomical> teeth?
06:51 < pink_vampire> no..
06:51 < atomical> what?
06:51 < kanzure> pink_vampire: use aliexpress
06:52 < pink_vampire> scrape some stuff. and remove j-b weld..
06:52 < pink_vampire> kanzure: I want something good not junk!
06:54 < pink_vampire> I want a good brand
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08:27 < atomical> i want a high quality derma roller
08:27 < atomical> so i can get started on regrowing my hair
08:27 < atomical> http://derminator.owndoc.com
08:27 < atomical> not a derma roller i guess... but better
08:33 < nmz787_i> .wik derma roller
08:34 < yoleaux> "Collagen induction therapy (CIT) also known as microneedling or skin needline is an aesthetic medical procedure that involves repeatedly puncturing the skin with tiny, sterile needles (microneedling the skin)." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derma_roller
08:43 < atomical> http://swisstemples.com/
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09:28 < kanzure> "Statistical physics of self-replication" http://www.englandlab.com/uploads/7/8/0/3/7803054/2013jcpsrep.pdf
09:31 < nmz787_i> .title swisstemples.com
09:31 < yoleaux> swissTemples | A loss recovered
09:31 < nmz787_i> .ga swisstemples.com
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10:50 < chris_99> nmz787_i, had my ws2812b lights working on my tree https://www.anfractuosity.com/projects/tree-lighting/ (didn't manage to tag them in 3D though alas)
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11:44 < kanzure> "Architecture of a eukaryotic voltage gated calcium channel" ("Structure of the voltage-gated calcium channel Cav1.1 complex") http://www.sciencemag.org/content/350/6267/aad2395
11:48 < nmz787_i> chris_99: nice!
11:48 < nmz787_i> chris_99: so the opposite side of the tree that wasn't being pulsed by the opencv calibration and video to lights conversion was dark?
11:49 < chris_99> yeah alas, i found something called structure-from-motion to do the 3D stuff though, which i need to play with some libs for
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11:50 < chris_99> i've been playing around trying to capture RF emissions from a computer keyboard recently, which turns out is harder than i thought it'd be
11:50 < nmz787_i> i wouldn't think they would radiate much
11:50 < nmz787_i> I guess it would be the USB if anything
11:51 < chris_99> http://lasec.epfl.ch/keyboard/ been reading this.  I tried capturing 30-140MHz with a key pressed
11:51 < chris_99> and without
11:51 < chris_99> and 'diffing' the spectrum
11:51 < chris_99> to no avail heh
11:52 < chris_99> i'm guessing a usrp is more sensitive than my rtlsdr though heh
11:56 < pompolic> ooh
11:56 < pompolic> i recently ordered rtlsdrs
11:57 < chris_99> nice :)
11:57 < pompolic> i've seen someone build a passive radar with them
11:57 < pompolic> and i want to replicate it
11:57 < chris_99> cool, do you have a linky to the project you saw?
11:57 < pompolic> sure
11:58 < pompolic> http://kaira.sgo.fi/2013/09/passive-radar-with-16-dual-coherent.html there are a few posts all tagged passive radar
11:58 < pompolic> http://hackaday.com/2015/06/05/building-your-own-sdr-based-passive-radar-on-a-shoestring/ also this
11:59 < chris_99> cheers :)
11:59 < pompolic> I'll probably have to email them for some implementation details, from the looks of it
11:59 < pompolic> i hope they'll be interested
12:00 < chris_99> mm, looks very interesting
12:00 < chris_99> i thought this is pretty cool too http://gnss-sdr.org/ (GPS using the rtlsdr etc), but my antenna wasn't up to it
12:03 < pompolic> neat
12:04 < nmz787_i> chris_99: well that paper used an o-scope, not a USRP
12:04 < nmz787_i> bbl
12:04 < chris_99> they did both nmz787_i
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12:50 < Alcyius> Military tried to recruit me today
12:51 < FourFire> Ok, what did you respond?
12:51 < justanotheruser> Alcyius: go protect our freedoms!
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13:01 < Alcyius> FourFire, I'm physically unable
13:02 < Alcyius> Plus I think the military is a corrupt institution, and would only work there if it was literally my only option
13:03 < chris_99> playing with their laser / rail gun could be fun though
13:03 < Alcyius> Yes
13:03 < Alcyius> But hopefully I'll be at a point in my life where I can make my own or buy time on other people's
13:04 < FourFire> Alcyius, 4th link: http://what-if.xkcd.com/13/
13:05 < Alcyius> I hope that starts updating soon
13:06 < Alcyius> "More power", the solution to everything
13:07 < FourFire> Actually, i wonder how cheaply you could make a megawatt powersource
13:07 < Alcyius> I wouldn't know, but I'd like to find out
13:07 < Alcyius> Also, how would one go about figuring out how good of a radiation shield a given material would be?
13:08 < FourFire> you probably don't need sustained bursts, so maybe you could do something crazy with a small amount of solar power and an insane number of lead-acid batteries stacked in series
13:09 < Alcyius> Also, Dictionary of Numbers is one of the best extensions I have ever installed
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13:22 < FourFire> hmm, can you uncharge in series, but charge in parallel?
13:23 < FourFire> you'd need two sets of cables and a switch for each solar panel of course
13:28 < Alcyius> http://what-if.xkcd.com/6/
13:29 < Alcyius> Ok, the glass in that one rises as a result of the vacuum collapse
13:29 < Alcyius> Could that be used as a sort of propulsion system? Continuously creating a vacuum behind whatever you want to move?
13:34 < FourFire> so ~200 of these http://www.amazon.com/402CCA-Maintenance-Battery-2008-2012-Can-AM/dp/B00J8WWP8G/ref=sr_1_8?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1452288508&sr=1-8&keywords=CCA
13:34 < FourFire> And a low/no mantainence way to charge the array
13:34 < FourFire> and you have your 1Megawatt impulse powersource
13:35 < FourFire> I'm surprised, I was expecting requiring several thousand
13:35 < Alcyius> so ~16 grand for the batteries
13:35 < Alcyius> Best way to charge it though
13:35 < FourFire> Now there's probably aty least five proposals to build megawatt lasers in the logs of this channel
13:36 < Alcyius> Could a hobbyist with a megawatt laser do anything useful? (before getting arrested for having a WMD of course)
13:37 < FourFire> well I still vote solar, but we need to know how long the impulse time needs to be before we know how few solar panels we would need
13:37 < Alcyius> also if it's solar powered you'd need about 10,000 sq meters for constant 1MW output
13:37 < FourFire> point is we don't need constant
13:37 < Alcyius> Yeah
13:37 < Alcyius> Hmmm
13:38 < Alcyius> How fast do you lose the stored power?
13:38 < FourFire> maybe you only fire for a few miliseconds once every minute
13:38 < FourFire> then you only need trickle charging running all the time
13:38 < Alcyius> also
13:38 < FourFire> well with these batteries, they have ~400ColdCrankingAmps
13:39 < Alcyius> HOw much power does a 1MW laser consume? Is it like 1MW per minute, or what?
13:39 < FourFire> so 400*12 4800 wattseconds used per second
13:39 < FourFire> 1MW, constant for the impulse duration
13:39 < Alcyius> ok
13:39 < FourFire> unit of... volume of energy is Amp (which is Watt*Volt) per unit of time
13:40 < FourFire> each battery has a maximum Amp output
13:40 < FourFire> which is around 400, ah wait, lol
13:40 < Alcyius> It's been a while since I dealt with electricity
13:41 < Alcyius> Ever since I blew things up and nearly took fried the entire house
13:41 < FourFire> 400 amps/12 volts ~33.333 Watts per second
13:42 < FourFire> and because we're cheaping out and not using a transformer for the voltage, then we need 1M/33 amount of batteries
13:42 < FourFire> which is substantially more
13:43 < FourFire> (or wait, we will need a transformer anyway for the correct voltage of the laser, just not one at each battery)
13:44 < FourFire> 208 of that battery can provide 1MW*1Volt/s for...
13:46 < Diablo-D3> >watts per second
13:46  * Diablo-D3 sighs.
13:47 < Alcyius> I haven't touched electricity units since my engineering class in middle school. It's something I need to brush up on
13:49 < FourFire> The battery has the capacity of 12Amp Hours
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13:51 < FourFire> so an array of 208, if perfectly efficient can only produce 1MW * 1V of power for 1/400th of an hour, so 9 seconds
13:51 < FourFire> which should be plenty of time
13:52 < FourFire> Diablo-D3, yeah it's been some years for me too
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13:52 < Alcyius> Nothing's perfectly efficient sadly
13:52 < Alcyius> (To my eternal sadness)
13:53 < FourFire> last time I was into power units I was busy trying to make free energy "over unity" electrical circuits, I think I've come far since then
13:53 < Alcyius> Heh
13:53 < Alcyius> I remember when I tried to do perpetual motion
13:53 < Alcyius> Doesn't go well
13:54 < FourFire> Alcyius, well even with 50% efficiency, we have 4.5 seconds of on time, and we could always just add more batteries
13:54 < Alcyius> So here's a question
13:54 < Alcyius> If we dedicated the entire power production of the planet
13:54 < Alcyius> To a laser
13:54 < Alcyius> How powerful of one could we sustain?
13:54 < FourFire> the answer is no.
13:56 < FourFire> we use about 390MWh per day
13:56 < FourFire> worldwide
13:56 < FourFire> sorry, 390 million Megawatthours
13:56 < FourFire> so 390TWh
13:56 < rhaps0dy> 390 TWh
13:57 < rhaps0dy> I'm too slow
13:57 < FourFire> that's 16.25TWh per hour, or 16TW and change constant
13:57 < FourFire> now times it by transmission costs, and efficiency of the requisite transfformer equipment and you're done
13:58 < FourFire> but you asked a good question: what would we use a megawatt laser for?
14:00 < FourFire> well, there's a few obvious uses for them... and now that I think of them I realize that they are all less dire than what I should be spending my time on
14:02 < Diablo-D3> okay so wait
14:02 < Diablo-D3> what ARE you trying to calculate?
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14:26 < docl> http://reducing-suffering.org/predictions-agi-takeoff-speed-vs-years-worked-commercial-software/
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14:35 < kanzure> i suddenly want maximum-suffering.org
14:36 < Alcyius> I'd say that we could cause maximum suffering in some areas to create minimum suffering in others
14:36 < Alcyius> But that's basically international capitalism
14:44 < kanzure> if you say so
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15:17 < AdrianG> agi will reduce suffering by overdosing you on diacetylmorphine
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15:25 < nmz787_i1> adjusted gross income?
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15:57 < AdrianG> artifical general intelligence
15:58 < AdrianG> the holy grail that will kill us all.
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16:03 < nmz787_i1> /me ponders how you would image that voltage-controlled calcium channel while voltage-controlling it (to make a movie of conformation versus voltage ramp-up)
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16:05 < kanzure> probably some sort of flash freezing process
16:06 < nmz787_i1> hmm, yeah that might work
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16:06 < nmz787_i1> seems like with either electrons or photons, you chance either adding/subtracting/perturbing voltage..
16:07 < nmz787_i1> the whole photoelectric effect in case of photons (not to mention you'd need some kind of superresolution tech)
16:07 < nmz787_i1> which I don't think they've achieved that fine detail with yet
16:07 < nmz787_i1> I wonder if there is an epoxy that would work
16:08 < nmz787_i1> flash-curing?
16:08 < nmz787_i1> non-meltable water
16:08 < nmz787_i1> err. ice
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16:54 < nmz787_i1> i feel like i'd fall off this http://robot.segway.com/
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19:25 < kanzure> motor plan kolmogorov complexity (or other metrics) can be upper/lower bounded by number of bits to specify different poses out of available poses. but this doesn't incorporate any concept of online/realtime feedback into coordination.
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