--- Log opened Thu Jan 28 00:00:17 2016 00:17 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@bryan.fairlystable.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18 -!- gnusha_ [~gnusha@bryan.fairlystable.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:18 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - george church 00:18 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Wed May 20 12:46:25 2015] 00:18 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 00:18 [ _hanhart ] [ BobaMa ] [ EnabrinTain ] [ jrayhawk ] [ nmz787 ] [ strages ] 00:18 [ _Sol_ ] [ btcdrak ] [ enkiv2 ] [ jron ] [ nnnn20430 ] [ strangewarp] 00:18 [ a7b9d6e6 ] [ Burn_ ] [ esmerelda ] [ juri_ ] [ nsh ] [ streety ] 00:18 [ abetusk ] [ c0rw1n ] [ fenn ] [ justanotheruser] [ pasky ] [ Stskeeps ] 00:18 [ AdrianG ] [ catern ] [ fleshtheworld] [ juul ] [ PatrickRobotham] [ superkuh ] 00:18 [ Alcyius ] [ cluckj ] [ FourFire ] [ kanzure ] [ phm ] [ Taek ] 00:18 [ amiller_ ] [ cpopell6 ] [ gnusha ] [ lkjhfr ] [ pompolic ] [ TeMPOraL ] 00:18 [ andytoshi ] [ crescendo] [ gnusha_ ] [ m0b ] [ poohbear ] [ the8thbit ] 00:18 [ archels_ ] [ Diablo-D3] [ heath ] [ maaku ] [ proofoflogic ] [ thundara_ ] 00:18 [ ArturShaik] [ diginet ] [ helleshin ] [ Madars ] [ Proteus ] [ TMA ] 00:18 [ augur ] [ djat ] [ HEx2 ] [ Madplatypus ] [ rancyd ] [ vikraman ] 00:18 [ Bakkot ] [ docl ] [ Houshalter ] [ mf1008 ] [ redlegion ] [ vivi2 ] 00:18 [ balrog ] [ Douhet ] [ indiebio_ ] [ midnightmagic ] [ rhaps0dy ] [ wrldpc1 ] 00:18 [ berndj ] [ dpk ] [ Jawmare ] [ nanotube ] [ saurik ] [ xentrac ] 00:18 [ bkero ] [ drethelin] [ JayDugger ] [ neurodata ] [ sh ] [ xrr ] 00:18 [ blerp ] [ drewbot ] [ Jenda` ] [ nickjohnson ] [ sivoais ] [ yoleaux ] 00:18 [ blueskin ] [ dustinm ] [ jenelizabeth_] [ night ] [ souljack ] [ yorick ] 00:18 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 102 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 102 normal] 00:18 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 00:18 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 10 secs 00:18 -!- Aurelius_Home [~cpopell@c-73-200-185-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:19 -!- Madplatypus_ [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-quppxjwfjkrwduhk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:19 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@bryan.fairlystable.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwzrpfapbcyjfixe] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19 -!- Madplatypus_ is now known as Madplatypus 00:29 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:d480:d02e:885b:8d3b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55 < TMA> Alcyius: no training but common sense: there is finite amount of fossil fuels that are available. with a given consumption rate there is a point in the future where thy will no longer be available, while the expected availability of humans eager to consume will be undiminished at that time 00:56 < TMA> s/thy/they/ 00:56 < Alcyius> We're on the road to transition away anyways. I'm curious if it's even possible to remove CO2 at the rate necessary to counteract global warming 00:57 < Alcyius> If we could remove the pollutants(a potential new method can extract CO2 and turn it into methanol), we could use that energy buffer to advance production of alternative energy sources 00:59 -!- neurodata [~neurodata@c-98-255-193-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06 < xentrac> Yes, it's definitely possible to remove CO₂ at the rate necessary to counteract global warming. 01:14 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:21 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:25 < TMA> currently there are about 1e17 ounces of CO2 (3e15 kg) in the atmosphere [4.7e14 stone, 4.6e19 grain, 5.9e13 cwt(uk), 6.6 cwt(us), ... the imperial/customary system is crazy], while in the pre-industrial times there were less than 3/4 of that amount. 01:29 < TMA> I have read somewhere that to counteract the global warming (as opposed to merely slowing it down) we would need to reduce CO2 way below 400 ppm 01:36 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:58 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:00 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@user-5-173-118-29.play-internet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:03 < Alcyius> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-carbon-dioxide-captured-air-methanol.html 02:07 -!- phm [~smuxi@79-71-64-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:08 -!- jtimon [~quassel@126.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:15 -!- jaboja 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bonobo cortex. 08:08 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@142.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 08:11 < pasky> I guess it's the old issue again; what does "intellectual level of a bonobo" mean when you aren't trying to implement bonobo (which I'd argue is boring and useless) 08:12 < pasky> computers (as in, say, connectionist AI models, not calculators / databases) can do a lot of much more clever tasks than bonobos do 08:12 < pasky> I have absolutely no evidence that the gaps between that and a bonobo are meaningfully hard 08:16 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@204.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggksinfuemnndaca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:30 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwesdsgldgumjwib] has quit [Quit: 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Computers can own at Go and I can't solve 6 captchas in a row. What is wrong with the world!? 08:37 < kanzure> pasky: "computers can do more clever tasks". they are not clever. the design of the algorithm is clever, but you're falsey attributing this cleverness to the execution of that particular software. 08:38 < kanzure> falsely 08:40 < pasky> the design of the algorithm is surely clever (we would have came up with them long ago otherwise), but the resulting algorithm is also terribly *simple* and these tasks are very much learned behavior 08:40 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:41 < pasky> (it actually disappointed me; after some reflection on the paper, it appears to me that the main improvement is that google could and did throw gpu-years of computation time at the problem, after getting the basic design right) 08:41 < kanzure> "computers can do a lot more of much more clever tasks" - the tasks are not clever, their design is, but the software itself did not construct that. :) 08:41 < pasky> so how good are bonobos at constructing tasks? 08:41 < kanzure> pasky: ehhhh don't be so disappointed; now that they know something that seems to work, perhaps they will find optimizations or something. maybe. 08:42 < kanzure> wait, nevermind. disappointment is warranted. i shouldn't stop this :P. 08:42 < pasky> not sure if "they", but everyone else involved has a strong motivation to do that ;) http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/2016-January/008524.html 08:43 < kanzure> computer-go.org ... how ambiguous. 08:43 < kanzure> golang people should call themselves golang people, not go people. 08:43 < kanzure> and gogame people should be calling themselves gogame people. 08:44 < atomical_> i love golang 08:45 < pasky> go should have picked a different name :P 08:45 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:45 < kanzure> "sincerely, - the department of violent disambiguation" 08:45 < pasky> (the language, that is) 08:46 < atomical_> atomical-lang 08:46 < atomical_> they should have called it that 08:48 < kanzure> pasky: i would not claim that bonobos are constructing tasks (maybe they are? i don't know.), but i would say that they do have some cognitive abilities that we don't seem yet to know how to implement in computers. 08:48 < kanzure> although i will fully admit we probably know many of the necessary primitives. 08:48 < kanzure> s/know/have 08:49 < pasky> can you give a concrete example? honestly, i'm not sure about what that could be, i don't know that much about bonobos 08:53 < kanzure> i feel like anything i say is going to be picked apart and reduced to absurd basic machine learning algorithms. 08:54 < kanzure> there was that video of a bonobo participating in cooperative cooking with a human. 08:56 < kanzure> .title http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0012438 08:56 < yoleaux> PLOS ONE: Differences in the Cognitive Skills of Bonobos and Chimpanzees 09:00 < kanzure> hm this was not a useful paper. 09:01 < pasky> i saw some videos of Kanzi and they look impressive but I don't know how much was learned just by immitation and how much was sort of "deduced/extrapolated" 09:08 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@204.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 09:15 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@193.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:17 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@193.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:19 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:25 -!- ro_ [481614f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.22.20.243] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- ro_ [481614f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.22.20.243] has quit [Client Quit] 09:43 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:49 < kanzure> i wonder what the indiebio people are up to. 10:01 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:27 -!- Burn_ [~Burn@pool-108-31-204-167.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28 -!- Burn_ [~Burn@pool-108-31-204-167.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 < phm> Kanzure: Do you know where Eugen is and what he's doing? 10:53 < kanzure> he was acquired by springerlink 10:55 < phm> acquired? 10:56 < phm> 'online delivery platform'? That's not his field...!? 10:58 < phm> BTW: is there a torrent of all 6.4Gb of Springer math books they made available? 10:59 < kanzure> there's no torrent but they made far more than 6.4 GB available. iirc a friendly got >500 GB. 10:59 < phm> Nice. Got a list? 11:00 < kanzure> nope 11:00 < kanzure> at the moment there are no safe ways for these people to distribute this kind of data 11:00 < phm> Can you get a list? 11:00 < phm> safe? 11:00 < kanzure> torrents are not safe 11:00 < phm> what do you mean? 11:00 < kanzure> springerlink was hacked. 11:01 < phm> haha. shit. I didn't realise! 11:01 < kanzure> well maybe not hacked. could have been an internal bug. 11:01 < phm> Eugen did it.. 11:01 < kanzure> pfft i wish 11:01 < phm> Why not? 11:01 < kanzure> he keeps refusing 11:01 < phm> Sounds like something he would do 11:01 < phm> refusing what? 11:01 < kanzure> you are really bad at following conversations 11:01 < kanzure> i am going to stop talking with you 11:01 < phm> Is this chan 'safe'? Or are we already in trouble? 11:01 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.241.12.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:02 < phm> really. Why don't you kick me for 'trolling' you. hah. 11:02 < phm> jrayhawk: ? 11:03 < TMA> kanzure: is there a way for them to make it available on a tor hidden service? 11:03 < kanzure> TMA: tor is not an efficient way to transfer this much data. 11:04 < kanzure> TMA: also these guys would feel morally bad about abusing the tor network like that. 11:04 < phm> You really think the feds are gonna come after us for sharing book? Come ON.. 11:04 < phm> books 11:04 < kanzure> http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/2lt9206gt/new-york-southern-district-court/elsevier-inc-et-al-v-scihub-et-al/ 11:05 < phm> I mean, I know they murdered Aaron Swartz, but... 11:06 < phm> He was high profile 11:07 < TMA> kanzure: the only other thing that comes up to mind is distributing it encrypted as "random data from HW random generator for simulations" and delivering the key on a secure channel 11:08 < phm> You really think we can't outwit the NSA? pffffft 11:12 < c0rw1n> 5000G? could upload that to freenet 11:12 < c0rw1n> *500G 11:13 < TMA> phm: it is a funny thought experiment to try 11:14 < phm> yeahhhh 'thought experiment' :-) 11:17 < TMA> phm: well, I do not have the data and downloading for personal purposes is legal here 11:17 < phm> What data? 11:18 < TMA> any except for software 11:18 < phm> I think legally it's a grey area 11:19 < TMA> nay, it's explicitly in the law [there are limitations though -- but downloading single books shall be fine] 11:19 < phm> If you say so. 11:21 < TMA> there is even a scheme for payment for free space on disks/blank cd also for reprographic machines/... to cover this law mandated license 11:22 < phm> I don't care about the law. I'm an anarchist. As long as they don't murder me, I'm happy. 11:25 < cpopell6> phm : I think outsmarting any government agency matters entirely on what part of said government agency you're dealing with 11:27 < phm> The point is this: If you work for the gov, there is probably something wrong with your brain, so gov people are not going to be as smart as 'us' 11:29 < cpopell6> I disagree 'people who work for the government' is a generalizable class. 11:30 < phm> Yeah, well I'm not going to provide any proof. 11:35 < maaku> phm: don't troll 11:35 < phm> lol 11:36 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 11:36 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+q phm!*@*] by kanzure 11:36 < phm> here we go. 11:36 <@kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/phm.log 11:36 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by kanzure 11:36 < maaku> i worked for the government for 4 years 11:36 < maaku> one of the best jobs i've ever had 11:36 < kanzure> nasa doesn't count 11:37 < maaku> :) 11:37 < kanzure> buncha aliens and weirdos 11:38 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggksinfuemnndaca] has quit [] 11:40 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.12.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.47] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16 -!- _0bitcount [~Big_Byte@92.59.143.116] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:44 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.109] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:47 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:52 -!- _0bitcount [~Big_Byte@92.59.143.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:53 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09 -!- jenelizabeth_ [~jenelizab@cpc76810-brmb10-2-0-cust1337.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: sleeeep] 13:15 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:17 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:20 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:26 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.109] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:45 < Diablo-D3> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/01/27/scientists-open-the-black-box-of-schizophrenia-with-dramatic-genetic-finding/?postshare=3091453948817165&tid=ss_tw-bottom 13:46 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gyrukdnunjtibndv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-brxmvkgitaswnvsa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:55 < kanzure> Diablo-D3: btw i am gonna kick/mute you sometime soon. just a heads up. 13:56 < Diablo-D3> because I posted a potentially interesting url about genetics in schizophrenics? 13:57 < kanzure> because i have been meaning to do this for a few weeks now 13:57 < kanzure> and i am on a streak today 13:59 < Alcyius> My psychologist is recommending Cymbalta or Wellbutrin. Anyone have experience with those? I know cymbalta has nasty withdrawl symptoms 14:02 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:03 < Jawmare> Alcyius, for? 14:03 < Alcyius> depression 14:03 < Alcyius> SSRIs haven't worked, so I'm leaning towards Wellbutrin, especially with the withdrawl affects of Cymbalta 14:04 < Alcyius> But Cymbalta might help with my pain at the same time, which would be nice 14:04 < Quashie> I had a lot of nausea on cymbalta 14:04 < Quashie> particularily while curling 14:05 < Jawmare> try bot 14:05 < Jawmare> both* 14:05 < Jawmare> MAOI is another possibility 14:05 < Quashie> (in particular, compared to Wellbutrin) 14:06 < Quashie> however, and this might have been some side-effect mediated placebo, I felt Cymbalta had a larger effect on my mental state 14:09 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ptsunoqolstjtcmz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:13 -!- 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by ChanServ 17:47 -!- jtimon [~quassel@126.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:47 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 17:48 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@154.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 -!- Filipe_ [baf1bd85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.241.189.133] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:51 < kanzure> fenn: i need a stronger defense than that :\ 17:53 < kanzure> would pneumatic tubes work for mass transportation on the ocean? 17:54 < kanzure> lack of mass transportation was one of eric hunting's primary complaints with submersible living 17:54 <@fenn> well it seems a little unfair to single out Diablo-D3 given how bad atomical_ erasmus and Alcyius have been 17:54 < kanzure> shouldn't your argument be "ban them all" then? 17:54 <@fenn> i guess 17:54 < kanzure> i'd be happy to kick 'em all. 17:54 < Alcyius> Geez 17:54 < erasmus> yeah really what did I say? 17:54 < Alcyius> I'm here to listen and learn mostly 17:55 < erasmus> yeah same here so I got his handle confused with a game 17:55 < erasmus> my bad dogs 17:55 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 17:55 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+qqqq erasmus!*@* atomical_!*@* atomical!*@* Diablo-D3!*@*] by kanzure 17:56 <@kanzure> curious how 4real you are about Alcyius? 17:56 < Alcyius> I want to contribute but I have a lack of knowledge. I'm trying to learn. 17:57 <@kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/erasmus.log 17:57 < Alcyius> If I'm not wanted here though I can leave. 17:57 < Alcyius> Or if I'm breaking rules/being annoying I can change what I bring into the channel 17:59 <@fenn> i'm not really sure how to say it. it's not that there are rules to follow, and "try to be interesting" doesn't really work either. but neither does "be interesting" 18:00 < Alcyius> More, if you want to kick or quiet, and/or dislike me, can I get an explanation why, and maybe I can correct that behavior 18:02 <@fenn> Alcyius: i recognize that you're still young and undereducated and i don't want to hold that against you 18:02 <@fenn> also i hate censorship and banning and all that stuff. it reminds me of yudkowsky 18:03 <@kanzure> i think the non-rule is something like "demonstrate some attempt at an improving state of mental hygiene and trying to make (good) contributions to the group without excessive disruption". 18:03 < Alcyius> That's the lesswrong guy right? He banned and censored any mention of Roko's Basilisk iirc 18:03 <@kanzure> as far as i know you haven't actually done any trolling, although i may be forgetting something 18:04 < Alcyius> kanzure, as far as I know, the closest I've gotten to "trolling" was probably being in a discussion about the ethics and/or politics of stuff, and I've avoided doing that after being told it wasn't really a big subject of discussion in the channel 18:05 <@fenn> no, you haven't done any trolling 18:05 < Alcyius> and I try to bring interesting tech developments as I find them 18:05 <@kanzure> banned/kicked/muted people for less tho 18:05 <@kanzure> Alcyius: that's actually not good either :) 18:05 <@kanzure> reading the news is the number one way to rot your brain 18:06 < Alcyius> How bout 18:06 <@fenn> try reading some science papers or source code or build something 18:06 < Alcyius> I leave for now, and come back when I have the knowledge/skill to contribute more 18:07 <@kanzure> yea there's lots of interesting source code to read 18:07 <@fenn> don't let school run your life 18:08 <@kanzure> reading papers is probably not that great either, the value per paper is actually surprisingly low for the most part 18:08 <@fenn> also SSRI's don't work 80% of the time 18:08 <@kanzure> many large segments of science seem to be totally worthless in the presence of good speculation 18:08 < Alcyius> fenn, that's why I stopped using SSRI's 18:08 < Alcyius> They did nasty stuff to me 18:08 <@kanzure> "good speculation" is a tricky thing though. most of its rules aren't written down anywhere. 18:09 < Alcyius> Alright, I'm gonna head off, spend some more time at the local hackerspace and try to maybe build some more practical knowledge or do some work on some of the proposals, and maybe I'll be back at a later point in time. 18:09 <@kanzure> we could also give you stuff to read and work on. there's lots of tasks out there. 18:09 < Alcyius> I mean, I'm probably just going to do something like 18:09 -!- Alcyius is now known as Alcyius|Extended 18:10 < Alcyius|Extended> shit, character limit 18:10 -!- Alcyius|Extended is now known as Alcyius|Away 18:10 < Alcyius|Away> And yeah, suggestions would be nice 18:10 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:12 < Alcyius|Away> Just like, whisper it or something if you'd like, that way my bouncer will keep a record 18:12 < Alcyius|Away> I'm gonna go for a while though, sorry for being a bother. 18:14 -!- Quashie__ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14 <@fenn> alcyius read "impro" by keith johnstone https://archive.org/details/pdfy-KIkLrSPi_3lzPl5v 18:16 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmbgetmmqyrwjepd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:17 <@kanzure> i wonder if projectile mass transport is a solution to his concerns 18:18 <@fenn> kanzure did you read the evacuated tube transport patent? 18:18 <@kanzure> i think his complaint was that air travel takes too long(?), like boarding a plane, although that sounds kind of stupid now that i think about it- airport transportation delays are entirely because of bad design not because of any particular bottleneck 18:19 <@fenn> https://www.google.com/patents/US5950543 18:19 <@kanzure> i forget which design was proposed (in mass media?) recently that had people sitting down in their seats and then the entire compartment placed into the transportation device 18:19 <@fenn> that was elon musk riffing on this patent 18:19 < maaku> kanzure: hyperloop? 18:19 <@kanzure> well fenn says yes 18:19 <@kanzure> ya obv. replaceable compartments does not require a hyperloop 18:20 <@kanzure> is there any good reason that air transport does not presently use that concept? 18:20 < maaku> it's probably heavy 18:21 <@fenn> fedex etc use pie wedge shaped shipping containers to pack into airplanes 18:21 <@kanzure> i mean for people transport 18:22 <@kanzure> "The rest--the big challenge--is dealing with very long lines of transportation/communication and technology that offers very limited solutions for that. For that it doesn't matter what you build or how. There are very few intermediate forms of intercontinental transportation with low minimum operational economies of scale. That's what limits living at sea to either fairly large planned communities, to people who can rough-it it like ... 18:22 <@kanzure> ... 'working watermen' (people who own modest yachts and charter them for fishing, private cruises, and packet shipping), or to mostly the richest people in the world--people who can afford personal jets, helicopters, and large ocean-going yachts costing hundreds of millions of dollar. Any form of transportation an individual can't own outright has to be shared with a community, which presents the question of how many people it takes to ... 18:22 <@kanzure> ... allow this to exist. This is why I got into things like airships." 18:23 <@kanzure> " It's not that airships are 'greener' transportation. It's that they are the only potential form of intercontinental air transit with an operational economy of scale low enough that a community of hundreds of people can afford it, rather than the hundreds of thousands to millions of people it takes to justify the existence of conventional airliners and the infrastructures supporting them. Other than that, all current tech offers us is ... 18:23 <@kanzure> ... crew boats and yachts--which aren't especially comfortable or speedy and are still beyond the reach of most middle-class individuals. Even being relatively near shore leaves you with pretty expensive transportation if it's 'open water'. Even something like this; ( http://barunaraya.com/Photo/item/27_1_3-Photo.jpg ) is a million dollar proposition. I used to tell Seasteaders; "why are you worrying about structures when what you need ... 18:23 <@kanzure> ... is a Volantor with a thousand mile range?"" 18:24 <@kanzure> hmm yeah i think he overlooked projectile launching of people in the air 18:24 <@fenn> dead link? 18:25 <@kanzure> email was from january 2015 18:26 <@fenn> some boat 18:26 <@kanzure> certainly 18:26 <@kanzure> "But can you match it with a convenient affordable means of transportation? Otherwise, it might as well cost as much as a luxury yacht because only people who can afford that will be able to conveniently live on it. The cost of transportation will determine the potential demographic of inhabitants, not the cost of the dwellings." 18:27 <@kanzure> i am not convinced about the necessity of mass transportation like this though. where are you needing to be so quickly ? 18:27 <@fenn> hospital 18:27 <@kanzure> people in the middle of nowhere have long transportation times to hospitals, too 18:28 < JayDugger> Don't neglect the historical development path in judging the "necessity of mass transportation". 18:28 < JayDugger> Airplanes were invented before email. 18:28 < JayDugger> "where are you needing to be so quickly ?" 18:29 <@kanzure> perhaps if you needed mass transportation you wouldn't have picked "living in the middle of nowhere" ? 18:29 < JayDugger> Military and high-priority high-value cargo. "hospital" is a subset of the latter. 18:29 < JayDugger> No, every place used to be isolated. 18:29 <@fenn> there is probably a case to be made for reusable gliders (aircraft) and ROV thingies that use the thermocline or wave power 18:30 < JayDugger> Cities were isolated from one another, but not internally. 18:30 <@kanzure> context is fenn's submersible living structures 18:30 < JayDugger> Thank you. I'll shut up and think before typing. 18:30 <@kanzure> and eric was pointing out that lack of mass transport overshadoows any utility of said structures 18:30 <@kanzure> wasn't asking you to shut up, was just providing context 18:30 <@fenn> eh? my "submersible living structure" was a vehicle 18:31 < JayDugger> I didn't think you were asking, but it was nice of you to say so. 18:31 <@kanzure> ya but eric would say "something something necessity of mass transport, economies of scale" 18:31 <@kanzure> are cars considered mass transport ? 18:31 < maaku> kanzure: a bus is 18:32 <@kanzure> if you are a kilometer off the coast then it's going to take a while for your submersible bus to get to the coast :p 18:32 < JayDugger> Intuitively, yes. Very few people afford a car and its associated infrastructure (roads, financing, insurance, auto repair) independently. 18:32 < JayDugger> They began as toys for the rich, remember. 18:33 <@fenn> it seems easier to say "hey boat, go to XYZ coordinates" than to dock your boat to some public transit system and navigate its own infurating alien system of logistics 18:33 <@fenn> at least for "inter-city" transport distances 18:33 < JayDugger> What do you mean by "dock your boat to some public transit system?" 18:33 <@fenn> well if you live in a submersible structure it should be a boat in some minimal sense 18:34 < JayDugger> Barges and tugboats going up and down rivers come to midn. 18:34 < JayDugger> mind, rather. 18:34 <@kanzure> i think the use case that eric had in mind was "living off the coast and working in the city" 18:34 <@kanzure> (the land city) 18:36 <@fenn> it would be easy enough to add a subway stop at treasure island for SF bay dwellers 18:36 <@kanzure> i don't know what actual quality that "mass transport" is supposed to embody here-- if you had 200k structures off the coast and most were coming to shore in the morning/night for the daily commute, is that mass transport? 18:37 < JayDugger> Why would you live off the coast and work in the city? 18:37 <@kanzure> why would you live on land at all? 18:37 < JayDugger> Regulatory arbitrage? 18:37 <@fenn> because The Rent is Too Damn High (tm) 18:37 < JayDugger> Um, have you ever lived at sea? 18:37 <@fenn> no of course not 18:37 < JayDugger> I have. Ex-Navy. 18:37 <@kanzure> submarine living seems pretty different from ocean surface operations 18:38 < JayDugger> Just a little, yes. 18:38 <@kanzure> please continue 18:38 < JayDugger> And military service differs from merchant marine service differs from passenger cruises. 18:38 < maaku> fenn: /r/vandweller 18:38 < maaku> it's easier, and cheaper 18:39 <@fenn> it's also illegal 18:39 < maaku> it's illegal to live in a van? 18:39 < JayDugger> Very much so. If the van breaks you can stand up on the ground. 18:39 <@fenn> in san francisco it is 18:39 < JayDugger> In urban CA, probably. 18:39 <@kanzure> and large communities are going to get harassed anyway 18:40 < JayDugger> Van dwelling means a mechanical break down doesn't expose you to the risk of drowning. 18:40 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ptsunoqolstjtcmz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:40 <@fenn> seasteading is sure to get harrassed/bullied by vested interests, but there's no existing low-status associations like there is with van living 18:41 <@fenn> so political stuff might be easier 18:41 < JayDugger> Seasteading is a marvelous idea that completely ignores the military vulnerability of the communities. 18:41 < maaku> interesting, didn't realize people actually got caught up in sleeping-in-the-car laws 18:41 < maaku> you see so many van dwellers here in the south bay, no one really cares 18:41 <@kanzure> your concern is military vulnerability, not how all of the seasteading habitats have been poorly designed? 18:41 < JayDugger> Don't you have bored cops who'd rather bust homeless poor than worry about people who might shoot back where you lived, maaku? 18:42 < JayDugger> Not quite, marine engineering can be solved by throwing money and expertise at it. 18:42 < maaku> JayDugger: van dwellers around here aren't poor 18:42 <@kanzure> what happened to "mechanical failures" a second ago 18:43 < maaku> you see them parked outside of places like Cisco, Google, and even in high COL neighborhoods 18:43 < JayDugger> You asked about what concerns me about seasteading, not the inherent (and solvable) dangers of life at sea. 18:44 <@fenn> i don't understand how a mobile fleet of submarines is more vulnerable than a bunch of houses made out of styrofoam 18:44 < JayDugger> Fair enough, maaku. I won't talk more about police other than to say my experience with them leads me to assume the worst of them. 18:44 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:44 < JayDugger> Militarily or in the sense of poor seaworthiness? 18:45 <@fenn> militarily 18:45 < maaku> JayDugger: it's regional. most places van dwellers are automatically suspect, probably even for good reason 18:45 <@kanzure> "where's your mortgage, citizen?" 18:45 < maaku> here in silicon valley there's a subculture of engineers that just don't see the value in throwing $35k a year at rent 18:45 <@kanzure> oops i mean s/citizen/communist 18:46 < JayDugger> Fenn, in general, or do you ask about my concerns with the idea? 18:46 < JayDugger> I am having trouble tracking the conversation, sorry. 18:46 <@kanzure> JayDugger: military vulnerability of submersible communities. 18:46 <@fenn> JayDugger: i was more concerned about the opposite, that submarines would be banned for personal use because they are too hard to blow up if the government wants to 18:47 <@fenn> JayDugger: so i'm finding it hard to wrap my mind around the idea of them being "too vulnerable" 18:47 <@kanzure> i suspect that the government would stay away as long as you had lots of popularized youtube-friendly video content, and as long as you went out far enough 18:47 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47 <@kanzure> and then you just have to contend with the regular kind of assholes 18:47 -!- drethelin [~drethelin@24-241-226-112.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:47 < JayDugger> Okay, let me state my concerns with seasteading. They have no way to defend against any modern Navy and so make their claims of sovereignty stick. 18:47 <@fenn> micronations in general are vulnerable to large states 18:48 <@kanzure> they don't reeaaallly need to defend as long as they can escape 18:48 <@kanzure> and if they are being pursued they will get caught, yes... 18:48 < JayDugger> Yes, and seasteading especially so since they depend on infrastructure more high-tech than dirt farming. 18:48 <@fenn> there are a variety of motivations for seasteading, some of which involve sovereignty 18:49 < JayDugger> Look up the range of a cruise missile, kanzure. Then bear in mind the fastest ships on the seas are atom-powered aircraft carriers (racing boats aside). 18:49 -!- drethelin [~drethelin@24-241-226-112.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 < JayDugger> Sovereignty will be very hard to make stick without a suicide nuke on a dead man switch below the waterline. 18:50 < JayDugger> That's my concern about seasteading. 18:50 < JayDugger> Regulatory or financial arbitrage doesn't convince me. 18:50 < JayDugger> Also, I dislike living at sea. 18:51 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 < JayDugger> Moving for COL or better work, I've done. I can imagine that happening, but I don't expect to live to see it. 18:51 < JayDugger> (Didn't expect to live to see smart contracts, either, for the record.) 18:51 <@fenn> google already built a gigantic barge 18:52 <@fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_barges 18:52 < JayDugger> Yes. The marine engineering parts of seasteading are solved problems. I don't think those are deal-breakers. 18:54 < JayDugger> Perhaps financially, but I don't know enough to say, even in a case-by-case basis. That could sure be made to work for resource extraction at times. 18:56 < JayDugger> As for submarines, well...they have a long supply tail that leads back to land. A civilian boat probably won't have a militarily useful design. (Yes, I know about the coke boats. Those are explicitly criminal and borderline military-grade.) 18:57 <@fenn> they're not really "military grade" aside from being submarines at all 18:57 < JayDugger> A government with any sense, even intermittently, will shut down the sale of fuel and parts to a boat owner and wait for the sub to fail. 18:57 <@kanzure> submarine failure seems like a design problem. everything should be trivially serviceable. 18:57 < JayDugger> Military grade in the sense of designed to avoid detection by militaries. Poor word choice on my part. 18:57 <@kanzure> *should be made to be 18:58 < JayDugger> Operating costs for subs can probably be found in the DoD budget, if you care to look. Easy to fix doesn't mean long MTBF. 18:59 -!- Joshchamp [~Joshchamp@2601:44:500:992b:d1b7:79dc:93fa:b2bf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 <@kanzure> i think research vessels are probably closer approximations? 18:59 < JayDugger> To the idea of living undersea? 18:59 <@fenn> i think the main objection to submarine living is that it's cramped, expensive, and there's nowhere to go 18:59 <@fenn> sorta like space travel without the glamor 19:00 < JayDugger> Those are all certainly true. Port visits made the high point of time at sea. 19:00 <@kanzure> how was the satellite uplink? 19:01 <@fenn> military satellite isn't a good comparison 19:01 < JayDugger> We didn't have that when I was in. 19:01 < JayDugger> I hear it is much, much better now, even on ships as small as frigates, at least in USN. 19:01 <@kanzure> but how did you watch kim jong un make threats over youtube if you didn't have satellite uplink.....? 19:02 <@fenn> the GEO satellite coverage is relatively poor compared to land areas 19:02 < JayDugger> By watching the missiles go over head. 19:02 < JayDugger> When his Dad was in charge, but mostly we ignored him. 19:02 -!- MacktheYounger [~mack@ian-maclellan.wireless.um.maine.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:04 < JayDugger> And communications still sucks for the sub fleet. Wasn't on a sub, don't know any submariners. 19:04 < JayDugger> Kind of a quiet, clannish, bunch. 19:06 <@kanzure> okay well i have seen nothing that leads me to believe that large-scale mass transport is mandatory for any of that. 19:08 < JayDugger> Yeah, that whole bit wandered pretty far off-topic, and so much for my "I'll shut up." 19:09 -!- psyreal [~psyreal@mail.transworldhealth.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz] 19:10 * fenn sleeps 19:10 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@154.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 19:10 -!- Quashie__ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o fenn] by fenn 19:13 -!- andares [~andares@2601:602:8f01:3150:a5e3:a4e8:31f9:66d8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:13 -!- andares [~andares@2601:602:8f01:3150:a5e3:a4e8:31f9:66d8] has quit [Changing host] 19:13 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:17 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:22 < MacktheYounger> Anybody alive? 19:24 <@kanzure> sup 19:26 < MacktheYounger> Heya. Glad to find a biohacking channel. You hear about the stuff people are doing recently with transdermal implants? Finding out how to get the skin to bond to it using hydroxyapatite and such? 19:26 <@kanzure> i think i have shooed out all the body modification people, they tend to hang out elsewhere. 19:27 <@kanzure> but maybe there's a straggler or two 19:27 <@kanzure> you might get lucky 19:28 < MacktheYounger> Fingers crossed. What do you mostly focus on, then, if not body mods? More mental stuff? 19:29 < streety> only attempt I've seen at summarizing the channel is at http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap/ 19:31 < MacktheYounger> Hey, thanks. Pretty cool list. I can always get behind space habitats and diybio 19:32 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:48 < JayDugger> Welcome, MacktheYounger. 19:50 < JayDugger> Dallas Maker Space recently had a writeup on the subject. You can find them at #dallasmakerspace or https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/ 19:50 < streety> there is also ##biohack 19:51 < MacktheYounger> Thanks. I'll definitely look into that. 19:53 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.241.12.140] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:53 < JayDugger> You might find the logs useful. 19:55 < MacktheYounger> I'll be sure to look through them, thanks for the headsup 19:55 < JayDugger> You're welcome. 20:03 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdommcfcrlqaaloy] has quit [] 20:10 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:14 -!- Quashie__ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:18 -!- MacktheYounger [~mack@ian-maclellan.wireless.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Peace out] 20:21 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@143.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:24 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.109] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 20:24 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.109] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:29 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@143.131.169.216.client.dyn.strong-sf94.as22781.net] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 21:02 -!- phm [~smuxi@79-71-64-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03 -!- Joshchamp [~Joshchamp@2601:44:500:992b:d1b7:79dc:93fa:b2bf] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmbgetmmqyrwjepd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:10 -!- Quashie__ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:14 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:18 -!- Quashie__ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:18 -!- Alcyius|Away [~Alcyius@162.243.117.243] has quit [Quit: A philosopher might ask, "What is the nature of man?" 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"david dalrymple". 22:48 <@kanzure> https://www.google.com/patents/US20130276665 22:50 < not_unoriginal> isn't vacuum transport like a 19th century concept 22:59 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@172.56.13.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste] --- Log closed Fri Jan 29 00:00:18 2016