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05:39 < Mori4rty> Why might going cold turkey on a high dose (300 mg XR) of Venlafaxine / prozac cause someone to have an upset tummy?
05:39 < Mori4rty> like, acid or something.
05:40 < Mori4rty> (tummy acid, not LSD)
05:41 < Mori4rty> Is it common? (I'm not a doc/biologoist)
05:42 < Mori4rty> Can it safely be ignored?
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05:43 < archels> try ##nutrition, #reddit-nootropics
05:46 < Mori4rty> You mean, you don't know, or you're saying this chan is the wrong place to ask that Q?
05:47 < jrayhawk_> 'Cause crossposting usually doesn't hurt.
05:47 < Mori4rty> kk. cheers
05:47 < Mori4rty> I thought someone here would know off the top of their head.
05:48 < jrayhawk_> 95% of serotonin is manufactured and utilized for anti-inflammatory signaling by the gut
05:48 < archels> both, although someone might pipe in
05:48 < jrayhawk_> that's all i know
05:48 < Mori4rty> but if they're not throwing up, it's fine, right?
06:02 < pasky> i wouldn't bet on that without consulting a doctor
06:03 < Mori4rty> What's the worst case scenario?
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07:34 < heath> https://github.com/newrelic/centurion
07:34 < heath> https://github.com/spotify/helios
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12:28 < kanzure> you guys ran maaku out of here while i was on my death bed? you guys are awful.
12:30 < kanzure> next time i'm that close to death i'll be sure to leave some god damn instructions or something, yeesh
12:30 < Mori4rty> kanzure: You might learn something from this: https://forum.fractalfuture.net/t/how--not--to-be-transhuman-transhumanist-slack/1099 (but I expect you won't be able to figure out what)
12:31 < kanzure> you don't want to pick this fight with me today
12:31 < Mori4rty> I do
12:31 < kanzure> you want to go home and rethink your life
12:31 < Mori4rty> I don't
12:31 < kanzure> david pearce is garbage and i'm not sure why you are linking me to this
12:31 < Mori4rty> I can explain
12:32 < Mori4rty> What do you mean by 'Garbage'? I assume you don't care for him because he's not a scientist.
12:32 < Mori4rty> and this is at the root of all your problems
12:33 < kanzure> he's garbage because he's not productive
12:33 < Mori4rty> You'll at least appreciate Godelian gravity
12:33 < Mori4rty> He's sick.
12:33 < Mori4rty> He needs love. Not hate.
12:33 < Mori4rty> Hate wont make him better. Love will.
12:33 < Mori4rty> understand that about people, and you'll get more out of them
12:34 < kanzure> i am not interested in getting more out of david pearce
12:34 < Mori4rty> carrot and stick
12:34 < Mori4rty> You'll get more out of your hardcore crew
12:35 < Mori4rty> DP could actually be useful to you, in non direct ways, but you're too blinkered to see things like that. Which is fine. We have other people looking at the highlevel game
12:35 < kanzure> that's a load of shit; david pearce isn't influential with them.
12:35 < Mori4rty> Who is 'them' ?
12:35 < Mori4rty> Who do you want influence over?
12:35 < Mori4rty> Elon Musk?
12:36 < kanzure> you claimed "you'll get more out of your hardcore crew if you love david pearce and make him better by loving him"-- this line of reasoning is completely boring.
12:37 < Mori4rty> errr. No kanz, sometimes you can be mindblowingly stupid. I was saying if you love your crew you'll get more out of them. DP has nothing to do with you, obviously
12:38 < Mori4rty> You really are up there with Elizer for the 'stupid smart guy' award
12:39 < Mori4rty> You think people love you for being a badass... but it's more complex
12:39 < Mori4rty> anyway
12:40 < kanzure> i think people think what?
12:40 < Mori4rty> You understand all the words. I didn't put them together in a difficult or subtle way.
12:41 < Mori4rty> You get how much smarter I am than you, right?
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12:41 < Mori4rty> We're not talking human levels
12:41 < kanzure> you are truly a trillion times smarter than me, please continue
12:42 < Mori4rty> heh. Is this Kanz waking up, or is this Kanz using the lowest form of wit!?
12:42 < Mori4rty> Who knows.
12:42 < Mori4rty> (-:
12:42 < Mori4rty> Have you found Eugen yet?
12:42 < Mori4rty> He's also up for the 'smart stupid' award
12:43 < Mori4rty> He might take the biscuit
12:43 < kanzure> do your awards have any value whatsoever like monetary equivalence or something?
12:43 < kanzure> or are you just full of shit and wasting our time?
12:44 < Mori4rty> I gotta go buy smokes. BBL
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12:48 < kanzure> Sishio: although it is true that cryonics organizations have so far followed that "eh just hope we have tech in the future to resuscitate these corpsicles" attitude, it is wrong to claim that cryonics is incompatible with other approaches (such as verification).
12:49 < kanzure> Sishio: "does the technology for recovery exist right now?" actually there's a strong possibility that the answer is both yes and no-- the tech already exists but it hasn't been used in relevant ways. additionally, i would not be surprised to learn that current corpsicles are unrecoverable using modern tech.
12:50 < kanzure> "alcor literally murdered a dude once" meh, that's still a better reliability rate than you're going to get elsewhere.
12:51 < kanzure> i am also not convinced that you definitely need an organization for resuscitation. if you already have a working method of resuscitation (which alcor does not have), then you could theoretically use a machine to instrument this process. machines can be tested and engineered for certain levels of reliability, which is independent and divorced from economic climate of whatever eras you pass through. only thing you would have to worry ...
12:51 < kanzure> ... about is stuff like energy and hiding or something (which is why many people mention space vehicles here).
12:51 < kanzure> "completely repairing the brain" nah nobody said you need to completely repair anything. how would you even measure completeness? it's a bogus concept here.
12:53 < kanzure> "solely from donations. You're a non-profit, so that's your one and only source of income." that's not how non-profits work -_-
12:54 < kanzure> "maybe throwing the rest away would mean losing valuable things" .. i wouldn't worry about this. you can probably throw away >10% of the brain matter and still turn out OK too.
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12:55 < kanzure> "human emulation would be good if what you were after was a primate" from where i'm sitting, this primate brain has done some alright things that i want to see more
12:57 < kanzure> i really hate the birds/wings/airplanes/lift stuff. we have had kites for a very long time. flapping works, even if we didn't have kites.
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12:59 < kanzure> maaku: re: "show me a reasonable business plan for selling AGI as a service" i think it would be more efficient for you to point out that if AGI was sold off-the-shelf then people would just use the AGI to make new AGI software even if they don't have access to legible source code.
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13:00 < c0rw1n> um, maaku isn't here now
13:00 < c0rw1n> orite, logs. derp
13:00 < kanzure> neither is eudoxia but that doesn't stop him
13:02 < kanzure> justanotheruser: emachineshop and related services will spit out physical parts for you from CAD input files. there's a lot of these services. also, most machine shops will also work with whatever input files you give them.
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13:27 < kanzure> http://compneuro.uwaterloo.ca/publications.html
13:30 < archels> Marr's Attacks haha that has to be the best paper title in computational neuroscience
13:38 < kanzure> are you aware of any papers where people did neural network things and then after demonstrating some high performance on some sort of task, they then proceed to cull elements from the neural network and figure out best set of elements to cull?
13:38 < kanzure> "culling" is apparently not the word that they would be using if someone has tried this. because i do not get relevant results.
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14:02 < nmz787_i> ugh, polymerase on hackaday, and they seem to be holding my comments captive (or the site sucks and my comments never made it to their servers, who knows)
14:02 < nmz787_i> (crap about left-handed DNA imagery pissing people off and how it doesn't exist or something)
14:02 < nmz787_i> also people discussing poor implementations of thermocyclers
14:03 < nmz787_i> including a hackaday.io project that looks like the failed-for-hackers-and-commercial-sales lavaAmp
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15:12 < justanotheruser> kanzure: There are many pruning methods, is that what you're talking about?
15:13 < kanzure> can you show me evidence that people who write neural network software (or do research in that area) are using pruning?
15:13 < kanzure> because i have not been able to find this sort of evidence. which is weirding me out.
15:14 < maaku> justanotheruser: can you link to some? I've very interested in this
15:14 < maaku> I previously did some research and didn't find any good resources
15:17 < justanotheruser> kanzure: no, I can only repeat what I have read in my textbook
15:17 < justanotheruser> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6795446&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D6795446
15:19 < kanzure> "Structured Pruning of Deep Convolutional Neural Networks" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.08571.pdf
15:19 < kanzure> alright well i was definitely using the wrong keyword :|
15:21 < justanotheruser> emachineshop appears to be CAD software?
15:22 < kanzure> yes they require you to submit the cad models through their custom system, because they do automatic quoting or something
15:22 < maaku> kanzure: DeSTIN (CNN used by OpenCog) has some pruning. they call it "removing centroids" I think, centroid == feature
15:22 < justanotheruser> ah
15:22 < kanzure> justanotheruser: almost every machine shop will accept cad files from you, emachineshop is somewhat of a novelty in that they have custom software to do estimations
15:23 < maaku> kanzure: there's probably different considerations for local feature detection and sparse globally connected hidden layers..
15:23 < justanotheruser> anything to look for in particular, or do I just google machine shop <location> and select
15:23 < kanzure> justanotheruser: to be honest you can probably find reviews on yelp or something, i dunno.
15:24 < justanotheruser> alright, thanks
15:37 < nmz787_i> http://innovationhub.intel.com/open-workspace/
15:37 < nmz787_i> .title
15:37 < yoleaux> Innovation Hub: Open Workspace - Innovation Hub
15:37 < nmz787_i> Digital fabrication tools -- The Innovation Hub’s Digital Fabrication Space includes some amazing tools for you to use, including a Full-Spectrum Laser Printer 6040, Micro 3D Printer, Ultimaker 2 Printer, zPrinter 650, US Cutter Vinyl Cutter, T-Shirt Press, Silhouette Cameo, Emblaser, Brother PE-770 Digital embroidery Machine, PCB and light milling, electronics debug and soldering equipment, and much more to come. There are vending machines
15:37 < nmz787_i> stocked full of supplies for your digital prototyping needs.
15:37 < nmz787_i> if anyone here is around Portland OR
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17:11 < kanzure> http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2016/03/17/go-corporate-or-go-home/
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18:53 < kanzure> "Part 9: Spraying the Heap [Chapter 2: Use-After-Free]" http://www.fuzzysecurity.com/tutorials/expDev/11.html
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18:55 < kanzure> "Hierarchical reinforcement learning in a biologically plausible neural architecture" (2014) https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/8943/Rasmussen_Daniel.pdf
19:38 < Jawmare> FourFire, I ended the experiment.. the nausea is too much
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20:54 < maaku> kanzure nice find with that dissertation
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21:02 < nildicit> http://scienceforthemasses.org/2016/03/20/at-the-end-of-two-conferences-some-thought/
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23:43 < xentrac_> "Dissipative adaptation in driven self-assembly" sounds pretty interesting from the Nautilus article
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