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automated ground stations for drones" 06:17 < kanzure> "hykso - fitbit for boxing and MMA athletes" hah 06:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-157-242.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:31 -!- jtimon [~quassel@227.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 -!- LordByron [~BUILDER@CPEbc4dfbf24b33-CMbc4dfbf24b30.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:36 -!- LordByron [~BUILDER@CPEbc4dfbf24b33-CMbc4dfbf24b30.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 06:37 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-157-242.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43 -!- Sochiro [~Sochiro__@cpe-74-71-227-124.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:07 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:07 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:08 -!- Taek42 [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:09 -!- nnnn20430 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< archels> exactly, yeah 08:37 < archels> depending on how you're propagating your network it could lead to speed improvements as well 08:43 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-awripzervxxmmvyd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 < kanzure> maaku: i like this research group. they seem to do actual studies regarding theoretical computational neuroscience stuff. 09:08 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-vdaihhcxcjuokchn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:17 -!- Sochiro [~Sochiro__@dyn-160-39-140-233.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- Sochiro [~Sochiro__@dyn-160-39-140-233.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:22 -!- nmz787_i 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by a week's time 09:54 < FourFire> today I managed to resetup my IDE for Java and resolved the problem which revented me from coding for the past 2+ months, which is progress which I might attribute to the influence of these nootropics 09:55 < FourFire> kanzure, wai! cause of eating said concrete preventable? 09:55 < Jawmare> not sure if it is related, but the nausea effect might be related to my stack (caffeine, L-Theanine, noopept, a-GPC) 09:55 < maaku> FourFire: yes, destroy gravity 09:55 < FourFire> I'm considering that once I do get BCI working at all, I'm just going to shove it and just wear a motorcycle helmet eveyrwhere outside, and slowly integrate more technology into it over time 09:57 < FourFire> my lump of grey meat is way too precious to just go waving around barely protected... 09:57 < FourFire> maaku, I'm meaning preventable at the time of accident. 10:00 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zjqjkfiflrqmlxgr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for 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closed for inactivity] 14:23 < nmz787_i1> hmm, this seems pretty cool: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/olo3d/olo-the-first-ever-smartphone-3d-printer 14:23 < nmz787_i1> .title 14:23 < yoleaux> OLO - The First Ever Smartphone 3D Printer. by OLO 3D Inc. —Kickstarter 14:23 < nmz787_i1> basically a near-field resin printer 14:23 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@CPEbc4dfb5bf733-CMbc4dfb5bf730.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:35 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@aejd72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@aejd72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:29 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@aejd72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:37 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wcwosmvsxdxkrtym] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:57 < FourFire> Invited someone to this channel. 15:59 -!- irssi817 [~ryan@37.142.35.164] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 < FourFire> hmm, interesting, I'd buy an otherwise useless fondleslab just to use this with a higher print volume 16:01 < FourFire> I'd be interested in the minimum screen brightness for that to work. 16:19 < archels> .title http://merkle.com/merkleDir/brainAnalysis.html 16:19 < yoleaux> Large Scale Analysis of Neural Structures 16:19 < archels> 1989 16:19 < archels> "Despite the uncertainty about when, eventual success seems assured." 16:30 -!- irssi817 [~ryan@37.142.35.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30 < kanzure> archels: you know about the 1990s mind uploading research group? 16:32 < archels> ah, I'm not sure that I do 16:32 < archels> was it a mailing list? 16:33 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:9914:c335:4b53:c407] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 < kanzure> archels: they built equipment and did brain scanning things. eugen leitl et al. 16:35 < kanzure> archels: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/nematodeuploadproject/ 16:38 < archels> do we have the archives somewhere? 16:39 < kanzure> that's all i have 16:41 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:42 < kanzure> i used to have a photo of their equipment 16:42 < kanzure> this image does not seem to be in that directory 16:44 < archels> ah the messages appear to be on Yahoo at least https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/murg/ 16:46 < kanzure> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/murg/conversations/messages?messageStartId=1967&archiveSearch=true 16:46 < kanzure> hrm. 16:57 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:05 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:07 -!- nmz787_i1 [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-dhakcwubenmcuqud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:28 < archels> kanzure: did you hear Robin Hanson speak about his upcoming book? 17:29 < archels> apparently he was at the Future of Finance conference a few days ago 17:30 < kanzure> nope didn't hear 17:31 < maaku> topic of book? 17:33 < kanzure> "eliezer is a brain slug please send help" by robin hanson 17:33 < c0rw1n> lol 17:34 < archels> maaku: whole-brain emulation 17:34 < archels> he affectionately calls an uploaded person an "em" http://ageofem.com/ 17:34 < c0rw1n> oh. that. thought there already was a book. he wrote a sequel ? 17:39 < kanzure> hehe "privacy" does not appear in his table of contents 17:41 < kanzure> i am not really convinced that emulation life will look like this. it looks like "traditional person stuff applied to computers". why would that make sense? it doesn't. 17:42 < kanzure> it doesn't make sense to directly work with your main processes 17:44 < kanzure> also, i would be surprised if augmentations wouldn't more cheaply make use of hardware (e.g. if you can only generate some sort of economic profit by running an emulation of a person, then you can probably get a better return not running a /person/ if you have all this brain software). 17:45 < c0rw1n> it's a ridiculously unlikely conjunction, but then hanson is an economist. i suspect he took a few trends and extrapolated them beyond absurdity, while discounting the rest of the (anti-inductive!) system they operate in and over 17:46 < kanzure> i know that it makes sense to paint brain uploading as "your life but just continued inside computers" but that's probably the dumbest way to utilize computer time if you have a working method of uploading 17:51 < kanzure> risk tolerance is much higher (like for dangerous exploratory behavior at bottom of ocean) because of multiple instances and backups 17:51 < Aurelius_Home> kanzure : my one conversation with Hanson he didn't know the difference between 'AI' and 'control systems' 17:52 < Aurelius_Home> and assured me that ai experts had told him they were making little progress in ai solving professional automation problems 17:52 < kanzure> time also has a slightly different meaning in uploader-land... you don't have to sit around doing nothing when you don't have anything to actually do. so for entire seconds you can be waiting on particular interrupts or whatever. 17:52 < kanzure> (this is especially relevant because the first few emulations might not be running in "real time" anyway) 17:54 < kanzure> i think most people imagine something like "well you get scanned into a computer, and then you walk around in second life and sometimes you use physical robots to interact with the physical world while you are doing your daily errands" but again i think this is probably the dumbest way to imagine software working out favorably for us 18:00 < kanzure> visual input is mostly because it's a standard interface that works pretty well, but in software land you don't need this, you can have far more direct information processing. most of the human brain is doing really standard stuff like audio decoding and feature detection.. meh. 18:00 < kanzure> viewing the brain as an unchanged software component is dumb. 18:02 < kanzure> will probably be more like a market of qualitatively-different cognitive information processing over different authorized streams of data. 18:06 < kanzure> i probably don't have the verbal skills necessary to express the exact opposite from "login to second life and then fumble for your virtual physical key for your barbie dreamhouse" 18:06 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@aejd72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:21 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:54 < kanzure> .title http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/akins_laws.html 18:54 < yoleaux> Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design 18:57 < kanzure> meh most of that is worse than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics 19:22 -!- Filosofem is now known as Jawmare 19:30 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has 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Moreso than just plugging people into a second life (or a robot) for starters 20:27 < Orpheon> and even then, maybe vision really helps thinking (sketches etc) 20:27 < Orpheon> not sure that would disappear all that quickly from uploaded minds 20:28 < kanzure> a lot of what the brain does is basic operating system stuff, which becomes redundant 20:30 < Orpheon> probably, but that operating system might be slightly different in different people, and entangled with things you don't want to influence too much (like personality or creativity) 20:34 < kanzure> "too much" is a matter of perspective :P 20:36 < Orpheon> at first, right after uploading? I..guess.. if you're willing to take that plunge, I expect most people to want to first do the transfer, and then slowly start researching interfaces 20:37 < Orpheon> not axe half the brain before they awaken 20:39 < kanzure> information content of the brain is probably less than 1% of the entire thing 20:39 < kanzure> so "axe half" is long gone :) 20:40 < Orpheon> yeah, but which? I'm cautious even of separating from the body, because stuff like hormones and arousal levels and breathing rate and all that is a factor in computation and a way for the brain to know what other parts of it are doing 20:40 < Orpheon> separating the brain..you're waiting for people to actually untangle the entire mechanism 20:41 < kanzure> fenn: digital currency initiative at mit is willing to sponsor a week or two of "fly someone out here and then have them meet with literally everyone at mit media lab and do brain dumps" .... i think you should do this with me. 20:42 < Orpheon> once we're there or have some experience with uploading, maybe we'll get those optimisations in, but certainly not the first uploads 20:43 < kanzure> Orpheon: uploading is not that unique, most brains have the same structure, it's filling in various details. long before you have a working upload, you'll have a working proto-upload (basically ai). 20:43 < Orpheon> hmm, ok 20:44 < kanzure> fenn: yeah i think i am going to insist that you join me for that 21:08 < kanzure> fenn: basically the plan would be to harass all the people about all the things 21:20 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 -!- delinquentme [6c4d88e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.77.136.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:35 < delinquentme> dooooo we have anyone who works in COMSOL? 21:39 < nmz787_i> I think I tried it once 21:39 < nmz787_i> it were complexificated 21:39 < nmz787_i> it wanted variables up the wazoo, for units I had no idea how to relate with 21:59 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@aejd72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:07 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:15 < Aurelius_Home> delinquentme : not since 2012 22:15 < Aurelius_Home> passing out tho 22:16 -!- delinquentme [6c4d88e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.77.136.226] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:31 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wcwosmvsxdxkrtym] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:38 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00 -!- Sishio [~tosh@ool-44c2de94.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:03 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:05 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@168.36.62.81.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@168.36.62.81.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:41 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:53 -!- andares is now known as esmerelda 23:57 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zchwflxtvzcxnjqf] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Mar 24 00:00:08 2016