--- Log opened Mon Mar 28 00:00:12 2016 00:25 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:30 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-phvvnnsnyfdzojja] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:36 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:08 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:10 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:12 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:31 -!- ChairTable [~Pickford@130.105.134.94] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:31 -!- ChairTable [~Pickford@130.105.134.94] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 01:59 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ffwiwuhnaophrozz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:01 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:04 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ffwiwuhnaophrozz] has quit [Client Quit] 02:17 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:56 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:59 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:43 -!- ChairTable [~Pickford@130.105.134.94] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:57 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-225-203.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-225-203.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:22 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:33 < kanzure> http://www.anl.gov/articles/adventures-first-neuroscientist-argonne 07:35 -!- thundara_ is now known as thundara 07:35 < kanzure> "It's because of this that Kasthuri is also interested in the Advanced Photon Source (APS) , a giant, powerful X-ray synchrotron on Argonne's campus. [...] We're testing at the APS, and we think it will let us map the entire brain without having to cut it or slice it or deform it — and to possibly do it very fast. At intensities low enough not to damage the sample, the resolution provided by the APS is not quite as good as an electron ... 07:35 < kanzure> ... microscope." 07:37 < kanzure> "Intersection of neuroscience and deep learning" russell hanson 2016-02-24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIv5Bva_H1E 07:37 < kanzure> that is a good video 07:39 < kanzure> scientific speedup from adding one additional researcher http://aleph.se/andart2/math/adding-cooks-to-the-broth/ 07:40 < kanzure> "Energetics of the brain and AI" anders sandberg 2016-02-12 http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.04019 07:40 < kanzure> "Does the energy requirements for the human brain give energy constraints that give reason to doubt the feasibility of artificial intelligence? This report will review some relevant estimates of brain bioenergetics and analyze some of the methods of estimating brain emulation energy requirements. Turning to AI, there are reasons to believe the energy requirements for de novo AI to have little correlation with brain (emulation) energy ... 07:40 < kanzure> ... requirements since cost could depend merely of the cost of processing higher-level representations rather than billions of neural firings. Unless one thinks the human way of thinking is the most optimal or most easily implementable way of achieving software intelligence, we should expect de novo AI to make use of different, potentially very compressed and fast, processes." 07:41 < thundara> Is that similar to the Berkeley ALS's X-ray tomography stuff? 07:41 < thundara> (i.e. http://www.cell.com/trends/cell-biology/pdf/S0962-8924(09)00184-6.pdf ) 07:42 < kanzure> "KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013 Magnitudes Per Century From 1890 To 1989" http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256 07:42 < kanzure> thundara: your link is broken 07:43 < thundara> http://www.cell.com/trends/cell-biology/fulltext/S0962-8924(09)00184-6 This work? 07:43 < kanzure> nevermind 07:43 < kanzure> "Soft X-ray tomography and cryogenic light microscopy: the cool combination in cellular imaging" 07:48 < kanzure> "Did amphetamines help Erdős? I do a bit of stats to check: the answer is maybe." http://aleph.se/andart2/math/did-amphetamines-help-erdos/ 08:02 -!- souljack_ [souljack@shell.xshellz.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:02 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:28 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:37 < kanzure> "Putting out the dark fire: constraining speculative physics disasters" http://mflb.com/pub/lsag_1/DarkFire_3.pdf 08:38 < kanzure> "Various speculative physics disaster scenarios have been proposed, but most can be defeated by the observable lack of large-scale disasters they predict. However, this paper introduces the "dark fire scenario" where baryonic matter is autocatalytically converted into dark matter. If this could happen, the resulting disasters would be quiet and hard to observe. Ruling out dark fire is challenging, although arguments based on charge ... 08:38 < kanzure> ... neutralization and astronomical imprints from early eras appears to do a good job. More generally, the slipperiness of many physics scenarios pose interesting epistemic problems for risk analysis." 08:46 < kanzure> "Cryopreservation of embryos and fetuses as a future option for family planning purposes" http://jetpress.org/v25.1/minerva.htm 08:50 < kanzure> "Human connectome mapping and monitoring using neuronanorobots" http://jetpress.org/v26.1/martins.htm 08:57 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:08 -!- zadock [~outsider@81.180.208.252] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@24.187-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:21 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- nmz787_i1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:27 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:31 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@24.187-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:33 < nmz787_i1> sup 09:34 -!- ChairTable [~Pickford@130.105.134.94] has quit [Quit: ChairTable] 09:46 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@37.218.188.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:51 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:58 -!- nmz787_i1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:01 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has quit [Client Quit] 10:04 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23 -!- Taek42 is now known as Taek 10:58 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-plsilwwplbiyottg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:08 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-166-231-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-plsilwwplbiyottg] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:14 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-159-113-148.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:28 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-bhosigqitaugmuae] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:33 -!- jdqx [uid146399@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyegwaibzmncdlhe] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:45 -!- zadock [~outsider@81.180.208.252] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:06 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 < nmz787_i> got a DSO nano v3 this weekend, battery powered and cheaper than my better oscilloscope so I can test power supplies and high voltage stuff with greater comfort that I won't make a horrible mistake 13:02 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:18 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:31 < archels> yeh I keep an old analogue scope around for that reason 13:43 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@eju181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:55 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:00 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:22 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 < abetusk> Is it possible to do microfluidics with just an off the shelf laser cutter and acrylic? 15:48 < kanzure> yes but it depends on which laser cutter. some of them have a spot size too large. you could do minifluidics, i guess. 15:48 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ 15:50 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:50 < abetusk> weren't you trying for some type of laser cutter and microfluidics system? 15:56 < kanzure> wasn't off-the-shelf 16:03 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@eju181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10 < abetusk> you were trying to etch direction or etch something to use as a mold for the pdms/pmma? 16:10 < kanzure> wasn't a mold 16:20 < nmz787_i> abetusk: I ended up with a $100 dollar grbl/arduino 405nm laser etcher, but haven't used it to expose photoresist yet 16:20 < nmz787_i> abetusk: also using a bluray writer optical head is the way to go 16:21 < nmz787_i> abetusk: check this out http://www.diyouware.com/DiyoPCB-MKI 16:21 < nmz787_i> they sell kits 16:21 < nmz787_i> they said for PCBs the spot size was TOO small! 16:22 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:22 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:3006:3833:526c:9d6b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:46 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47 -!- sh [~sh@89.101.222.213] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:50 -!- Jenda` [~boch@dekatron.hrach.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:50 -!- Jenda` [~boch@dekatron.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:27 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:9da7:ffd0:a6d4:1833] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- Ferrous [~Ferrous@pool-108-0-27-36.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:41 < FourFire> I've probably asked this before, but why exactly is grindhouse wetware terrible, community wise? 18:57 < nmz787_i> the didn't do research or something, ended up embedding magnets that rotted flesh I think, even though biocompatible coatings for implants have been known for decades 19:01 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-bhosigqitaugmuae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.137.71] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:04 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.137.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:12 < abetusk> nmz787_i, nice site, thanks. You're not making PCBs with it? 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