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14:38 < FourFire> Anyone have experience with minimally illegal Nootropocs?
14:47 < kanzure> what, like sports injuries?
14:48 < FourFire> Noots.
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14:50 < kanzure> 14:44 < Taek> http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2015004_cuneiform.pdf
14:50 < kanzure> 14:45 < Taek> "We discuss the problem of running today's software decades, centrues, or even millennia into the future"
14:53 < FourFire> Surely, just port the data and start with fresh, AI generated code?
14:54 < FourFire> ah, I see "port the data" is the problem.
14:54 < Taek> that's about what they conclude. They want to build a 'base machine' that a reasonably competent programmer can build in like a day or two
14:54 < Taek> and then, you feed code into the base machine and the base machine builds whatever more complicated machine, etc, until you've got something that runs the program
14:54 < FourFire> if this becomes a problem for me, then i will have overcome present day problems, so I'll happily ignore this issue
14:55 < kanzure> wouldn't it be easier to just store the source code and plaintext
14:55 < kanzure> and use as few features as possible
14:55 < FourFire> kanzure, but proprietary
14:55 < Taek> a source code requires a compilier
14:55 < Taek> and a compiler has to compile to a known architecture
14:55 < kanzure> all of this sounds like work
14:56 < kanzure> it would be nice if people would stop writing hard-to-port software, but other than mass murder i'm not sure how to achieve this
14:58 < kanzure> really what you need is some visual way to indicate to people using software (through the gui perhaps) "this function that you are using is not actually compatible with future computing, so you should consider never using it or at least never relying on it". but this doesn't work for people who only later found out about the existence of the functions long after the software borked, or something was generated because someone was careless ...
14:58 < kanzure> ... enough to use the software in the past.
14:59 < FourFire> IA and rescueteam are really unsung heroes
14:59 < FourFire> too bad I'm still mired trying to hack myself so I can help build the future to "sing" for them...
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17:04 < superkuh> It takes about 2 minutes to start running an archiveteam VM spider.
17:14 < kanzure> is that slow?
17:20 < xentrac_> Taek: their objective is "an afternoon" rather than "a day or two"
17:20 < xentrac_> they've kind of given up on having a *universal* virtual machine though
17:20 < xentrac_> my comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11512892
17:22 < xentrac_> I think we can do better than "an afternoon"
17:22 < xentrac_> I think two hours is reasonable
17:23 < superkuh> I meant, like, 2 minutes to download it, start up the VM and pick a project from their auto-generated list and actually be spidering. It's fast.
17:27 < xentrac_> that's pretty nice
17:27 < xentrac_> what VM are they using?  QEMU?
17:29 < superkuh> http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveTeam_Warrior
17:30 < xentrac_> VirtualBox or VMWare
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