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00:02 < FourFire> catern, active noise cancelling earbuds have existed since 2013 at least
00:02 < FourFire> Wireless, active noise cancelling earbuds, maybe not.
00:03 < catern> FourFire: sure, but i'm only interested in the voice recording aspect
00:04 < FourFire> catern, http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_n_feature_two_brow_2?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A172541%2Ck%3Aactive+noise+canceling%2Cp_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A509318\c2266981011&keywords=active+noise+canceling&ie=UTF8&qid=1462172628&rnid=2266979011
00:04 < catern> okay, but i don't care
00:14 < justanotheruser> lol
00:41 < maaku> catern: no i mean the first thing
01:25 < JayDugger> I'll just drop these links here and go for a walk. http://www.drcraigwright.net/jean-paul-sartre-signing-significance/ http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/how-i-met-satoshi.html
01:25 < JayDugger> Also starting to make the mass media news outlets.
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01:49 < maaku> JayDugger: debunked already
01:50 < maaku> notice how he doesn't provide the full text of the message being signed
01:50 < maaku> that's because the signature is ripped from an old 2009 era transaction
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02:12 < pasky> maaku: oh? link? i've been pouring through reddit 30 minutes ago and besides a general foul smell, didn't find anything specific like you mentioned
02:14 < pasky> ah just refreshed /r/bitcoin :)
02:32 < Jawmare> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36168863
02:32 < Jawmare> Its on the beebz to
02:56 < kanzure> maaku: unfortunately i think this level of nuance is not going to be comprehensible to outsiders :)
03:02 < JayDugger> I certainly missed it.
03:05 < JayDugger> Thank you for pointing that out, maaku.
03:05 < pasky> he's a pretty good con artist; he wrote the blog post as if he was proving he is satoshi, but can easily say "fake proof? i wasn't proving anything"
03:08 < pasky> if I had to bet, I'd say "Satoshi is dead." is true and it might have been Hal Finney... who knows, making people have that as hypothesis b might be part of cw's plan too
03:09 < pasky> conspiracy!
03:09 < JayDugger> I thought it Nick Szabo, but had no evidence for that belief.
03:14 < kanzure> gavinandresen's access has been revoked as of a few minutes ago
03:14 < JayDugger> Oh really?
03:15 < kanzure> he's either an idiot or he's hacked. either way....
03:16 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609707
03:18 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/727078284345917441
03:22 < kanzure> http://i.imgur.com/DDod3Iu.jpg
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04:59 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=3cd518e3 Bryan Bishop: start template for opening remarks >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/coindesk-consensus-2016/opening-remarks-state-of-blockchain-ryan-selkis/
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05:21 < fenn> none of the above
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06:01 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a73658d1 Bryan Bishop: delaware transcript >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/coindesk-consensus-2016/marco-santori-delaware-initiative/
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07:25 < kanzure> hal finney rises from the grave https://twitter.com/lorenzoFB/status/727110224847446016
07:25 < kanzure> does it count as rising from the grave if you were cryopreserved?
07:30 < rhaps0dy> it's getting out of the thermos
07:32 < c0rw1n> lol
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08:02 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=184366df Bryan Bishop: transcript: starting the consensus panel >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/coindesk-consensus-2016/reaching-consensus-open-blockchains/
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09:38 < maaku> JayDugger: it's not nick szabo. not unless nick's a sociopath
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10:11 < kanzure> https://github.com/patio11/wrightverification
10:13 < kanzure> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chc489hW0AAQrYX.jpg
10:15 < kanzure> .title http://ruleofthirds.de/analyzing-scihub-data/
10:15 < yoleaux> Bastian Greshake · Analyzing the SciHub data
10:15 < kanzure> ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11611025 )
10:32 < xentrac_> maaku: you're saying Nick would have to be a sociopath to be Satoshi?
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10:53 < nmz787_i> sup
10:55 < nmz787_i> abetusk: was able to laser another few test pieces last night... fought more with spincoating and finding a solvent to thin the photoresist, than I did with gbl2ngc :)
10:55 < jron> I'll be surprised if Gavin doesn't recant his statement once he has time to review the fallout.
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10:56 < chris_99> the specs on this https://www.crowdsupply.com/lime-micro/limesdr look cool
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11:00 < nmz787_i> I saw that somewhere on another channel earlier
11:00 < nmz787_i> didn't click it
11:01 < chris_99> looks like it has better specs that the bladerf iirc for a lower price
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11:09 < xentrac_> nmz787_i: congratulations!
11:10 < xentrac_> summary: $118k raised, 24% funded, 50 days left, open-source SDR
11:10 < xentrac_> also it looks like Star's Circuit Classics got funded on there. 196% funded!
11:11 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d555546e Bryan Bishop: capital markets >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/coindesk-consensus-2016/upgrading-capital-markets-for-digital-asset-trading/
11:12 < maaku> xentrac_: I've met nick on multiple occasions, and talked both economic philsophy and technology with him
11:13 < maaku> he is, in private, super critical of various aspects of bitcoin, and there's a public log of these opinions going back years before bitcoin
11:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/coindesk-consensus-2016/upgrading-capital-markets-for-digital-asset-trading/
11:13 < maaku> so if he's satoshi, then it's a long con of the sort only a sociopath could pull off
11:13 < xentrac_> maaku: huh, interesting!  thanks
11:14 < jron> he also seems to enjoy ethereum work more than anything happening in bitcoin atm.
11:14 < xentrac_> satoshi might too
11:15 < xentrac_> I think there's a lot to be critical of in Ⓑ but, aside from the questions about whether having cryptocurrencies *in general* is a good idea or will instead lead to a collapse of civilization, it seems like a worthwhile experiment
11:15 < xentrac_> I mean Zooko and Len have also been super critical (in public!) of different aspects of Ⓑ but I could imagine at least Zooko and almost Len trying the idea out to see if it will work anyway
11:16 < maaku> i certainly agree. i am huuuugely critical of bitcoin. yet I work on bitcoin core technology at blockstream..
11:18 < xentrac_> but you're saying Nick's private criticisms go beyond being compatible with trying it out under a pseudonym
11:19 < jron> maaku: have you ever written about your issues with bitcoin?
11:20 < maaku> jron: nah been too busy
11:20 < maaku> xentrac_: nick thinks bitcoin is a fundamentally flawed economic model
11:20 < maaku> it is my opinion that he honestly believes that
11:21 < maaku> it seems unlikely to me that if he discovered nakamoto consensus he would test it out using what he considered to be a fundamentally flawed currency model
11:22 < xentrac_> fundamentally flawed?
11:52 < drethelin> does anyone in here regularly use transfection reagents?
11:52 < drethelin> I'm trying to figure out how to optimize our online marketing better
11:59 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ffe41f5c Bryan Bishop: transcript: law enforcement vs zooko >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/coindesk-consensus-2016/law-enforcement-and-anonymous-transactions/
12:17 < kanzure> was that just posted
12:17 < kanzure> oh good, no
12:34 < Aurelius_Work2> kanzure : do you ever go to conferences besides to speak?
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12:48 < maaku> Aurelius_Work2: he goes to type
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12:51 < jron> pretty clever: https://rya.nc/sartre.html
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13:10 < kanzure> Aurelius_Work2: nope. i am speaking tomorrow.
13:10 < Aurelius_Work2> nice
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13:54 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/GDunnArt/status/727222485289189376
13:54 < yoleaux> Made a microetching for my hero Ed Boyden last year using some of his expansion microscopy data! @eboyden3 #sciart https://t.co/enRxH0cxQJ (@GDunnArt)
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14:54 < nmz787_i> imgur.com/YR9MFGu
14:56 < nmz787_i> abetusk: simple invert ^
14:57 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=540b644f Bryan Bishop: transcript: why bitcoin matters >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/coindesk-consensus-2016/why-bitcoin-still-matters/
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15:39 < maaku> http://news.mit.edu/2016/scientists-discover-potentially-habitable-planets-0502
15:39 < maaku> .title
15:39 < yoleaux> Scientists discover potentially habitable planets | MIT News
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16:18 < abetusk> nmz787_i, it looks pretty bad.  Is that because of gbl2ngc?
16:28 < nmz787_i> hmm, I don't know
16:28 < nmz787_i> it seems like it is pretty OK
16:28 < nmz787_i> I messed up registration of the second item
16:29 < nmz787_i> and I scratched in the center holes in the big circles
16:30 < nmz787_i> the big circles were touching, but I'm not sure if that means the laser is poorly focused, or something else
16:30 < nmz787_i> you can definitely see the raster, i have a better pic, one sec
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16:33 < abetusk> you can make the raster finer too
16:34 < abetusk> it just looks a little splotchy
16:37 < nmz787_i> yeah, could be the photoresist... I am new to all this, and things weren't properly ventilated... so I was trying to be quick when attempting to thin the resist prior to spincoating
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16:38 < nmz787_i> abetusk: finer as in use a smaller fill radius?
16:38 < abetusk> yes
16:40 < nmz787_> abetusk: http://imgur.com/aCaCTJJ
16:40 < nmz787_> i am thinking the stripes could be steppers skipping... but not sure
16:41 < nmz787_> maybe something in the raster is missing there, but when I viewed the g-code in an online viewer, it looked fine
16:41 < abetusk> I see stripes but that's from the rasterization...
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16:43 < abetusk> you've built your own laser cutter?  What controller are you suing?
16:43 < abetusk> *using
16:44 < nmz787_i> this is an arduino nano clone running grbl 0.9, with some what seems to be CDROM tray stepper rails and linear screw and steppers, with some acrylic wrapping it up
16:45 < nmz787_i> excuse the horrible music: https://youtu.be/gXWUgMmCVU4?t=55
16:45 < nmz787_i> .title
16:45 < yoleaux> NEJE USB DIY Laser Engraver Cutter Engraving Cutting Machine Laser Printer - YouTube
16:47 < nmz787_i> it might have something to do with me PWMing the laser too... but I'm not certain
16:47 < nmz787_i> in those big circles I'd expect the long vectror runs to be pretty similar
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16:53 < abetusk> grbl has support for pwm?
16:54 < nmz787_i> yeah, (though I'm smoothing a PWMed signal, so maybe on short sections there is some lag, or something, is my thinking)
17:10 < xentrac_> smoothing a PWMed signal? what, with  an analog filter?
17:10 < xentrac_> that can have major drawbacks...
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17:26 < nmz787_i> xentrac_: yeah, driving a darlington buffer
17:26 < nmz787_i> so it's not a linear response... but it is variable via program
17:26 < nmz787_i> what drawbacks are you thinking of?
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20:06 < JayDugger> Thank you for the information, maaku. I've not had the pleasure of meeting Nick Szabo in person. His long-standing interest in smart contracts explained his interest in Ethereum to my satisfaction. I thought he might have Satoshi mainly because I could think of no one more likely, after ruling out Hal Finney.
20:07 < JayDugger> Where can I find those critiques you mentioned?
20:10 < JayDugger> Other than Szabo's Unenumerated. I have read what he posted there.
20:23 < kanzure> it's either eugen leit or wei dai. :P
20:28 < JayDugger> Better guesses than mine.
20:29 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11443122
20:29 < yoleaux> Apply HN: Infection Resistant Materials for Preventing Infections | Hacker News
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21:26 < maaku> JayDugger: a lot of the weirdness surrounding Satoshi points to him/her/them/it being an outsider. anyone known to the community has a very small prior to begin with imho
21:27 < maaku> the initial 0.0.1 bitcoin protocol suffered a bunch of security errors that should have been obvious to anyone who actually had prior experience with digital currencies or applied cryptography
21:29 < maaku> there's also a bunch of weirdness that are not bugs per se, but run counter to established security best practices or conventions
21:30 < maaku> it'd be like a mechanical engineer designing everything in a left-handed coordinate system. nothing breaks.. but why do it that way?
21:33 < maaku> also in hindsight the innovation that made bitcoin possible is pretty simple and even obvious in hindsight. it was the conventional thinking of people like szabo and back who put unnecessary constraints on consensus that made a solution impossible
21:34 < maaku> satoshi cites back's hashcash, but he doesn't bother to explain why the conventional thinking in the field is wrong -- this in fact led a number of people like back to write of bitcoin in 2009 as incomplete and therefore doomed to failure
21:35 < maaku> if he was coming from within the community he would have known better and explained it differently
22:02 < xentrac_> nmz787_: well, if you smooth the output of the darlington buffer, then you're fine.  if you smooth its input, that means the darlingtons spend more time in their partway-on state, which heats them up
22:03 < xentrac_> also they are very nonlinear, so you wouldn't get the result you would want anyway
22:03 < xentrac_> maaku: I hadn't realized that about 0.0.1
22:37 < drethelin> @maaku doing it that way helps opsec
22:38 < drethelin> whoever nakamato is, that person is clearly very dedicated to staying hidden
22:38 < drethelin> so if a known persona of yours does things in an accepted established way, it can obfuscate a new persona to hve them do it in a weird one
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