--- Log opened Wed May 18 00:00:17 2016 00:31 < archels_> "When will that happen? Two years ago." 00:43 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uohbljkpbjnxqsdl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 < maaku> Quashie CI does amateur hour suspensions, and they are criminally negligent with respect to having sufficient patient care funds 00:46 < maaku> Oh and they will roll over and comply with any legal challenge, rather washing their hands of a body than fight 00:47 < maaku> It is a case of "you get what you pay for" 00:56 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:20 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:41 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:41 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:42 -!- nickjohnson_ [sid789@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-asabzrujpjyproyv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- Taek42 [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:45 -!- dbolser_ [~dbolser@hx-dnat-251.ebi.ac.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:45 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:45 -!- vikraman_ [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- Madars_ [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ldiabmhvmpsachrb] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- rancyd [stryfe@unaffiliated/rancyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- nickjohnson [sid789@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qyaaxvezxjfyvtva] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- namespace [irssi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe89:ddeb] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- dbolser [~dbolser@unaffiliated/faceface] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- Taek [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46 -!- namespace [irssi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe89:ddeb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- vikraman_ [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:47 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:49 -!- nsh- [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:49 -!- nickjohnson_ is now known as nickjohnson 01:50 -!- rancyd [stryfe@unaffiliated/rancyd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:53 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imgsmoxmvuqxtkjq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:39 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-avqdtgapweluadun] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:08 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxahhinsxwycztds] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:08 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wlnvtnzyvbtxlwtj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:39 < kanzure> bloop 04:48 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:51 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11719047 04:51 < yoleaux> SSRN sold to Elsevier | Hacker News 04:52 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11719543 04:52 < yoleaux> Academics Make Theoretical Breakthrough in Random Number Generation | Hacker News 04:56 < kanzure> "[ Some of you will by now wonder why I do not say we should expect an uncertainty of p running over loads of orders of magnitude, like the life probability does in our paper. The reason is that there is a curious asymmetry between reasons intelligent life may not emerge and reasons intelligent life may be quiet. The first group is largely conjunctive: "intelligence will happen if X and Y and Z and W and... happens" - if one of the ... 04:56 < kanzure> ... conditions in the chain is missing, there is no intelligence. Explanations for silence have the form "X or Y or Z or W or ...". If one of them is wrong, nothing happens to the outcome. But their probabilities need to sum to nearly exactly 1, and if one of them actually has less probability than needed then the entire explanation breaks. ]" 04:56 < kanzure> "The thing is, people tend to assume that if you see one instance of something out of N objects, the probability of it happening should be about 1/N. But this misses the observer selection effect: if you have an absurdly low probability but it has to happen somewhere (because it results in you), then the relevant class may be far larger than N. So if the technogenesis probability is 10^-1000 there will still be lots of observers in an ... 04:56 < kanzure> ... infinite or very large universe, but they will all be very distant." 04:58 < c0rw1n> i'm very happy to see maths expliciting a little formally what has intuitively seemed completely blindingly obvious to me for years. 04:59 < kanzure> yes i am glad that people are paying attention to selection effects 05:00 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/How%20hard%20is%20artificial%20intelligence%3f%20Evolutionary%20arguments%20and%20selection%20effects%20-%20Shulman%20-%20Bostrom.pdf 05:00 < kanzure> selection is probably one of the few ways we know of to exert really big pressures on systems to do things we don't know how to specify upfront 05:12 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxahhinsxwycztds] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:22 < archels_> solving the Drake equation paradox? 05:27 < c0rw1n> what paradox ? the original drake eq is missing a ton of terms and the fractions in it have always been estimated way too high, is all. Moreover, it doesn't take rates of expansions into account. Lightcones _have to cross_ to detect anything 06:28 -!- duper_ [~super@ns2.blackcatz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:28 -!- duper [~super@ns2.blackcatz.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 < JayDugger> Thank you for the answer, kanzure. 06:33 -!- Quashie__ is now known as Quashie 06:41 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- Filosofem [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:19 -!- Filosofem is now known as Jawmare 07:33 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:52 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-242-240-86.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-146-22-77.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:32 -!- yorick_ is now known as yorick 08:48 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:00 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- Taek42 is now known as Taek 09:30 < nsh-> .title http://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-just-discovered-a-new-form-of-light 09:30 < yoleaux> Physicists just discovered a totally new form of light - ScienceAlert 09:32 < mz_o__> lul wut? 09:45 < nsh-> divergence from expected behaviour wrt angular momentum 09:45 < nsh-> .title http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/4/e1501748.full 09:45 < yoleaux> There are many ways to spin a photon: Half-quantization of a total optical angular momentum | Science Advances 09:47 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-eggmbkwkmhcrtcvz] has quit [Quit: faggory daggory doo!] 09:53 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tddjahiquhngvqlp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.16] has quit [Changing host] 10:01 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nafimwhzjdoshytq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tddjahiquhngvqlp] has quit [Changing host] 10:19 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@unaffiliated/anarcanon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@unaffiliated/anarcanon] has quit [Changing host] 10:19 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tddjahiquhngvqlp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:39 < kanzure> hm. 10:42 < gwillen> nsh-: The sciencemag article is really interesting. I think the sciencealert article seems confused. 10:43 < gwillen> I've never actually understood what the orbital angular momentum of a beam of light means, though 10:43 < gwillen> so it's hard for me to follow further developments with it. 10:44 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:07 < nsh-> likewise :) 11:11 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uohbljkpbjnxqsdl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:17 < kanzure> http://www.cs.columbia.edu/cg/surfaceliquids/ "We propose a novel surface-only technique for simulating incompressible, inviscid and uniform-density liquids with surface tension in three dimensions. The liquid surface is captured by a triangle mesh on which a Lagrangian velocity field is stored. Because advection of the velocity field may violate the incompressibility condition, we devise an orthogonal projection technique to remove the ... 11:17 < kanzure> ... divergence while requiring the evaluation of only two boundary integrals. The forces of surface tension, gravity, and solid contact are all treated by a boundary element solve, allowing us to perform detailed simulations of a wide range of liquid phenomena, including waterbells, droplet and jet collisions, fluid chains, and crown splashes." 11:20 -!- phillyj [~chatzilla@pool-72-94-78-216.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:26 -!- phillyj [~chatzilla@pool-72-94-78-216.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0/20160425114621]] 11:27 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 < archels_> .title https://imgur.com/XGG26Us 11:27 < yoleaux> "An apple with a spatial grid inserted" - Imgur 11:28 < archels_> because science 11:30 < archels_> aww they have photographs of Windows 3.1 on a CRT display in their paper too 11:42 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- phillyj [~chatzilla@pool-72-94-78-216.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined 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