--- Log opened Thu Jun 02 00:00:18 2016 00:20 < archels> nmz787: why GHz? any hints of something being out there? 00:24 < maaku> Has anyone worked on biocompatible MEMS robots? 00:25 < xentrac_> gumby did 00:25 < xentrac_> I hope that's not still a secret 00:25 < maaku> gumby? 00:41 -!- mahydraal [~mahydraal@74-196-193-178.lfkncmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:57 < xentrac_> are you a Hackers ttendee? 01:33 < maaku> Hackers? I suppose not. 03:34 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@195.38.161.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:43 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:56 -!- jtimon [~quassel@4.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@195.114.240.252] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:56 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:47 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwzzrghaxitqjosu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- zadock [~outsider@81.180.223.50] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:51 -!- zadock [~outsider@81.180.223.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 < streety> xentrac_: FourFire I think there is some confusion here on how liquid oxygen and liquid nitrogen is produced. 1) Oxygen condenses first, not nitrogen. If you have a dewar of nitrogen exposed to the atmosphere and allow all the liquid to evaporate towards the end the liquid will contain a significant percentage of oxygen that has been condensed from the atmosphere in the liquid nitrogen. 2) Oxygen and nitrogen can be generated separate 06:24 < kanzure> maaku: mems things http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/mems/ 06:31 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-178-000-182-226.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:48 -!- c0rw1n_ [~c0rw1n@124.213-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:55 < kanzure> who do we have in tokyo 07:21 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-17-6.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:24 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:49 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@184.190.62.81.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:02 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-17-6.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:09 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:39 < maaku> kanzure: I'm thinking much of the nanomedicine can be weakly accomplished with targetted MEMS sensing and delivery. 08:40 < maaku> and a bioMEMS company can probably be made profitable in short order -- with something like an in-the-blood glucose testing 08:54 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:55 -!- Elohim [~Bill@c-73-40-2-22.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 -!- mahydraal [~mahydraal@74-196-193-178.lfkncmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:56 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:11 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@unaffiliated/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:23 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@195.114.240.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 < nmz787_i> archels: just because there will be so much signalling going on, I assume neural-firing-edges will be all over the place with respect to phase (I doubt the brain has a single/universal clock tick that things sync to).... plus with more time resolution, you can probably do some tomography/3D signal location determination (to later selectively filter signals based on location, i.e. the optic nerve/cortex) 10:33 < nmz787_i> archels: also, this is 2016 and GHz test equipment can be had for sub-$1000 per channel... so why /hasn't/ an experiment been done even to disprove the theory. 10:33 < nmz787_i> also, it seems there's absolutely no way I can do the shit I want, communicate the things I want, with EEG type bandwidth 10:34 < nmz787_i> (for direct BCI stuff) 10:35 < kanzure> .title http://www.tritechresearch.com/CG-2.html 10:35 < yoleaux> CG-2: MammoZapper(R) Cloning Gun(R) Electroporation System - Tritech Research, Inc. 10:36 < kanzure> "a cordless, rechargeable, hand-held electroporation instrument that achieves transfection efficiencies exceeding 50% of viable cells with a variety of standard mammalian cell lines" 10:39 < kanzure> .title http://cibolo.us/pipermail/open_electroporator/2016-June/000067.html 10:39 < yoleaux> [Open_electroporator] low cost bacterial non-salty electroporator proposal 10:41 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwzzrghaxitqjosu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:58 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:08 < nmz787_i> yeah, like $2k I think for the unit 11:09 < nmz787_i> but only $80 for 50 of the pipet-cuvette things 11:09 -!- Reventlov [~Reventlov@unaffiliated/reventlov] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:11 -!- Reventlov [~Reventlov@volcanis.me] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:11 -!- Reventlov is now known as Guest49106 11:30 -!- Guest49106 is now known as Reventlov 11:30 -!- Reventlov [~Reventlov@volcanis.me] has quit [Changing host] 11:30 -!- Reventlov [~Reventlov@unaffiliated/reventlov] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- Sochiro [~Sochiro__@213.57.217.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 -!- aliss1 [~canaima@200.93.29.133] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:44 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has quit [Quit: * * * * *] 11:44 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 < nmz787_i> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0134989 11:48 < nmz787_i> .title 11:48 < yoleaux> PLOS ONE: Open-Source Photometric System for Enzymatic Nitrate Quantification 11:48 < nmz787_i> https://github.com/NitrateEliminationCo/NECiOpenWater 11:48 < nmz787_i> .title 11:48 < yoleaux> GitHub - NitrateEliminationCo/NECiOpenWater: This is the open source software that can be used in conjunction with our Photometer. This version only works with the NECi Water Nitrate test kits. 11:49 -!- aliss1 [~canaima@200.93.29.133] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 11:49 < nmz787_i> huh, they didn't publish the schematics and layout files??? 11:49 < nmz787_i> it seems to indicate they did "Data Availability: We have made all the data available in the paper and S1 Appendix including open hardware design CAD scripts and electronic layouts. In addition the source code for the software can be found here:https://github.com/NitrateEliminationCo/NECiOpenWater." 11:52 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 < FourFire> streety, the question is what would the cost per cryo patient for 50 years storage be if the number of patients exceeds current supplies of subsidized LN2, so that air had to be cooled specifically for Cryo purposes 12:28 < FourFire> would that cost be more, or less, due to ecoomy of scale effects? 12:38 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:40 < kanzure> "subsidized LN2" ?? 12:42 < chris_99> i think i recall seeing some cool DIY machines to make LN2 12:51 < maaku> LN2 ain't subsidized to my knowledge. 12:51 < FourFire> kanzure, LN2 that is a biproduct of something else wanted form air which is then sold off cheaply, we discussed this yesteray 12:52 < maaku> The discussion yesterday was wrong. 12:52 < maaku> See scrollback. 12:52 < maaku> In any case that's efficient scale you would just move the refrigeration on the site instead of procuring gas. 12:52 < maaku> *at sufficient scale 12:52 * FourFire is paranoid that apparent observed conitive decline isn't simply chronic stress and poorly implimented polyphasic sleep schedule but instead brain cancer 12:53 < maaku> Please don't do polyphasic sleep. I like you. 12:54 < FourFire> no way for me to check without spending all my spare money this month, and If I have such a low theshold to check for this disease then my sopare funds are perpetually held hostage for any other disease of equal robability 12:54 < FourFire> maaku, why do you say that? 12:54 < FourFire> do most polyphasic people go crazy, or is it a socks with sandals thing? 12:58 < kanzure> FourFire: your understanding of business is wrong 12:59 < FourFire> I am aware: which is why I haven't founded a company thus far 13:07 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has quit [Quit: * * * * *] 13:26 < xentrac_> streety: thank you for the corrections! I was indeed very confused 13:27 < xentrac_> I think IRC chopped off your line though: "2) Oxygen and nitrogen can be generated separate" 13:28 < xentrac_> FourFire: https://www.supermemo.com/en/articles/polyphasic2010 13:42 < FourFire> xentrac_, thanks for linking me that, fnnily enough wat initially promted me to try polyphasic this week was my housemate who seems to live on a 26 hour day and who seems to only be awake either while I'm at work, or while I 13:42 < FourFire> sleep. 13:42 < FourFire> I have to sleep now 13:43 -!- CuriousCat [~CuriousCa@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Changing host] 13:53 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:13 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nacsmfgmiywqgupq] has 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oxygen is generated only transiently and is boiled off to cool the stream of compressed nitrogen so that it can condense when it expands. 17:42 < streety> beyond any efficiencies of scale the cost is going to be 50x the cost of the next year adjusting for expected changes in the cost of energy 17:45 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:48 < maaku> .title http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2756 17:48 < yoleaux> Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » “Can computers become conscious?”: My reply to Roger Penrose 17:48 < maaku> sorry that might violate the no-philosophy, but the article is about empirical distinctions 17:55 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-selkjgeffpbpglll] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:14 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:47 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl] 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Culture | The Guardian 23:05 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qitrsykjuhiomaxc] has quit [Changing host] 23:05 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@unaffiliated/anarcanon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:05 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@unaffiliated/anarcanon] has quit [Changing host] 23:05 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qitrsykjuhiomaxc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:11 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23 < nmz787_i> how would I best take an STL from thingiverse, and duplicate it many times into a larger STL, so I can print many of the same things at once on this 3D printer? 23:23 < nmz787_i> blender? 23:44 < fenn> yep --- Log closed Fri Jun 03 00:00:19 2016