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00:29 < FourFire> fenn_, not sure if useful but this this extension for chrome (and I presume chromium) allows you to open and edit all word things in browser: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/office-editing-for-docs-s/gbkeegbaiigmenfmjfclcdgdpimamgkj?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog
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04:05 < FourFire> WHat's the present resolution of the best noninvasive brain structure measuring technology, and how far is it away from being able to scan enough information to build a connectome?
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05:49 < kanzure> haha noninvasive
05:51 < kanzure> invasive is way, way easier
05:51 < kanzure> also, it seems that (if i am interpreting this email correctly) i might be a participant in the next human genome synthesis project meeting
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05:56 < FourFire> kanzure, I was asking for a specific reason, namely non nanobot high resolution BCI which was proposed by some redditard, which I needed to put into perspective.
05:57 < FourFire> In answer to my question, I took the smallest axion dimension, around 1um and found that according to the wiki, CT Scanners have approximately 0.2mm resolution, thus a 200x increase in sensor sensitivity and being able to turn this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CT_scan#/media/File:UPMCEast_CTscan.jpg into te size of a head mountable sensor
05:57 < cluckj> kanzure, cool
05:58 < FourFire> Congrats Kanzure!
05:58 < FourFire> kanzure, do you know where parasailin went istead of here?
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06:08 < kanzure> FourFire: sure look at nanoCT in the logs. there's lots of problems with that approach.
06:08 < kanzure> FourFire: parahsailin went to google
06:18 < FourFire> kanzure, and does google do any biotech?
06:23 < kanzure> probably, but parahsailin is doing software things now iirc
06:23 < FourFire> kanzure, what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_microtomography, too harmful?
06:23 < kanzure> why do you want noninvasive?
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08:11 < cluckj> anyone know of a searchable panama papers db?
08:11 < kanzure> cluckj: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11664322
08:12 < cluckj> thanks
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08:40 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ConRcsRoA0k
08:40 < yoleaux> Double levitation (different nodes) - YouTube
08:51 < kanzure> fenn_: nmz787_i: are either of you around
09:07 < kanzure> okay nevermind. maybe around 7-11pm then
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09:44 < nmz787_i> kanzure: am  now
09:47 < nmz787_i> FourFire: I'd thought about using some metalloprotein or something that has a strong RF resonance (at least one, but maybe two or three that correspond to different parts of the molecule being de-localized of electrons)... then you can ingest said metalloprotein, and induce activity with RF transmitters... now the protein would need to have some specific affinity to whatever neurons you wanted to inject or spy on... but I feel like so
09:47 < nmz787_i> like that could be possible
10:00 < kanzure> nmz787_i: have something for you to review about ultrasound imaging project
10:00 < kanzure> nmz787_i: could you please review this? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xvLWDbp0x6z0Ft3AsfxjIsLUNsg5smkTcYb1g4WVo5U/edit?ts=5755a7a7
10:00 < kanzure> nmz787_i: the guy is online at the moment and can answer questions. anything you see missing in the doc etc..
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10:28 < maaku> .title http://spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=48801
10:28 < yoleaux> SpaceResources.lu: New space law to provide framework for space resource utilization
10:29 < maaku> in Luxembourg
10:29 < kanzure> maaku see above gdoc link
10:30 < maaku> the ultrasound one?
10:31 < kanzure> ya
10:32 < maaku> ok
10:33 < nmz787_i> kanzure: reviewing
10:37 < kanzure> thank you
10:41 < kanzure> http://www.echopen.org/index.php/Main_Page
10:42 < kanzure> http://www.echopen.org/index.php/Prototype
10:42 < maaku> kanzure: reviewed
10:42 < kanzure> maaku: thank you.
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10:48 < kanzure> hmm echopen is in paris
10:48 < kanzure> maybe maaku will stop by
10:49 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKH1e38B1is
10:49 < yoleaux> AR Ultrasound with Unity - YouTube
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11:35 < kanzure> https://github.com/kelu124/murgen-dev-kit
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11:41 < kanzure> that's a bunch of progress for someone who started out without knowing anything about electronics
11:43 < kanzure> and is mostly the same project
11:55 < nmz787_i> hmm, apparently they posted more project updates on image unwarping 6 days ago: https://hackaday.io/project/9281-murgen/log/39271-ultrasound-and-scan-conversion
11:57 < kanzure> yeah it would be nice to avoid duplicating their work
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12:01 < nmz787_i> if you're energetic enough, you could try accelerating their inertia
12:01 < kanzure> you mean upgrading them from a motor to piezo scan?
12:02 < nmz787_i> yeah something like that
12:02 < nmz787_i> or other improvements to take it to the next level of utility
12:03 < nmz787_i> this is where lack of standards seems to be a downfall for open-source... sure there are projects out there, but they either are so poorly documented you don't know what you're getting. so might be afraid of building on top of them (don't build your house on a foundation of sand, etc)... so often duplication does occur, or total-redos happen but not much utility is ultimately gained
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12:03 < nmz787_i> I know standardization is hard and expensive in industry
12:04 < kanzure> well at minimum the bill of materials can be made to be less costly
12:04 < nmz787_i> so of course in free open-source land it is even more boring and less interesting
12:05 < nmz787_i> like the murgen project at least from what I read on their project build blog on hackaday... seems to at least have some tests developed, which is great for starting to iterate on new designs
12:05 < nmz787_i> (or improvements)
12:05 < nmz787_i> iterate and test, iterate and test
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12:05 < kanzure> they should try with an ultrasound contrast agent
12:05 < kanzure> i wonder how hard those are to buy
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12:06 < kanzure> the proposed sampling frequency is too slow to capture my typing >:(
12:07 < nmz787_i> hahaha
12:07 < nmz787_i> wat
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12:09 < nmz787_i> so I ended up using numpy-stl.readthedocs.io/en/latest/  to replicate some STL files for printing multiple copies at once
12:09 < kanzure> what? the file gets locked while you are printing?
12:10 < kanzure> oh you mean the objects inside of the file. pffft.
12:10 < kanzure> you should ask in #reprap they probably have a slicer that does that
12:10 < kanzure> (i think they call everything a slicer these days; not sure)
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12:13 < nmz787_i> https://gist.github.com/nmz787/be850c63e7cab3739c79821bfac0c6f4
12:13 < nmz787_i> 87 lines of code and I am happy
12:18 < kanzure> why didn't we hear about murgen in here
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12:23 < maaku> what do you want to use ultrasound for?
12:24 < nmz787_i> i think I posted it once
12:26 < xentrac_> nmz787_i: not bad
12:26 < nmz787_i> kanzure: it is at least here http://gnusha.org/logs/2016-01-21.log
12:27 < nmz787_i> kanzure: also I posted here http://gnusha.org/logs/2016-04-14.log
12:29 < nmz787_i> xentrac_: yeah was gonna use notepad/etc... but the STL was binary
12:29 < nmz787_i> the numpy-stl library is very thin... pretty much just unpacks the bits into some simple objects and repacks them later
12:30 < kanzure> maaku: medical imaging
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12:31 < maaku> kanzure: i mena is it part of a particular evil plot, or just "more at-home tools is good"
12:33 < kanzure> maaku: long-term there's an evil plat for remote non-invasive brain stimulation using ultrasound, also at high power this can be used to remove brain tumors or other brain matter
12:33 < kanzure> *evil plot
12:33 < maaku> interesting
12:34 < kanzure> but no, this is "more at-home tools is good" plus picking simple hardware projects that should happen (however, murgen is pretty interesting and i think most of this proposal would be duplicative work)
12:43 < nmz787_i> kanzure: 'upgrade murgen's ADC/AFE (analog front end)' or 'enhance image decoding pipeline' or 'add doppleror 3D functionality' are interesting and immediate murgen possible-next-steps (or would make good proposals)
12:48 < kanzure> nmz787_i: sent you some PMs
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13:45 < kanzure> hi
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13:50 < kanzure> you set thta up like 8 years ago
13:51 < kanzure> *that
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14:47 < nmz787_i> chris_99: your research into magnetics lead to anything related to hard drive recovery? something where the heads were bad and you needed some other way to extract the data from the platters?
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14:49 < chris_99> nmz787, i recall seeing a paper where they recovered data using a microscope, but it didn't look easy
14:49 < yoleaux> 4 Jun 2016 00:16Z <fenn> chris_99: you can quench phosphrescence with strong infrared light or heat
14:49 < chris_99> oh cheers fenn_!
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15:29 < kanzure> "One man's quest to pay for lunch with a chip implanted in his thumb" how heroic -_-
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15:47 < kanzure> http://www.coindesk.com/zurich-bitcoin-core-scaling/
15:54 < nmz787_i> so toorcamp will have an rfid or nfc tag implant station... not sure why someone would want that again
16:05 < maaku> "high stakes code review"
16:06 < maaku> ugh that was a quote from eric...
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16:49 < kanzure> maaku_: a "high stakes" game of go fish :P
16:49 < kanzure> yea bad wording on his part
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17:01 < jzov> Can anyone help me? I'm looking for an ultracentrifuge over 1.2M R/PM, and I read somewhere about a world record break of some enormous amount. I can't find this anywhere, and I've even looked through physical books
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18:08 < kanzure> "
18:08 < kanzure> "The board in itself is not a medical device. The board is a dev kit for the analog part that one could find in any ultrasound probe. It respects the functions and blocks one can find in basically any probe (pulser, TGC, ADC, ..). A main difference is that this board is designed for a single element, and provides so far only a minimal support for the mechanics behind image formation."
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18:08 < kanzure> oh i see. they didn't make an ultrasound probe.
18:11 < kanzure> http://www.makery.info/en/2016/03/29/echopen-lance-une-sonde-dechographie-open-source/
18:23 < kanzure> fenn didn't we have you look into doing ultrasound array things
18:23 < kanzure> you were looking at the electronics of mutiplexing and control and things.. or was that for electrostatic wetting of water droplets?
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18:55 < nmz787_i> "Dear Dr. McCorkle, Thank you for your email. This matter has been passed to a senior colleague. If you need any assistance in the meantime please do not hesistate to contact us. Kind Regards,"  --PLOS
18:56 < nmz787_i> well at least someone somewhere checks comments of feedback forms
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18:56 < nmz787_i> it seems my message was received on their end at webmaster@plos.org.... not sure which form initiated the message
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19:08 < kanzure> nmz787: next time you should leave your comment each time with a slightly different name, like McCorkled and McCorkleist
19:09 < kanzure> and then you know which one they are replying to
19:47 < kanzure> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/blockchain-workshop/results
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