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00:38 < nmz787> .title https://github.com/noisymime/speeduino
00:38 < yoleaux> GitHub - noisymime/speeduino: Speeduino - Arduino based engine management
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07:10 < kanzure> hrmph
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07:29 < ebowden_> And this is why I imagine you as a grumpy, slightly obese, bearded old man.
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07:31 < kanzure> and that's why i hope you die in a fire
07:34 < ebowden_> Wow.
07:34 < ebowden_> I was sort of joking, but that perfects the image.
07:35 < kanzure> indeed it's totally normal to joke about self-immolation.....?
07:37 < ebowden_> kanzure, are you secretly young, skinny and clean shaven?
07:39 < kanzure> ?
07:39 < kanzure> is there something you need to talk about
07:39 < chris_99> nmz787, about per chance, have you seen any ~10bit 100Msps AD/DA boards per chance, i can see 8 bit ones on aliexpress
07:39 < chris_99> and 12 bit ones @ 50Msps
07:40 < ebowden_> I do not need to talk about anything. Kanzure, are you familiar with Klotho?
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07:43 < streety> are you talking about the protein?
07:44 < streety> I'm somewhat familiar with it from the kidney field
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07:59 < ebowden_> Yes.
07:59 < ebowden_> It's lovely protein.
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08:09 < JayDugger> When you wake up, kanzure, thanks for yesterday's typing.
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08:19 < ebowden_> *It's a lovely
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08:32 < streety> certainly seems to be something you want to hold on to for as long as possible
08:38 < kanzure> yeah kidneys can be okay
08:44 < streety> Absolutely, it will take more than a stranger offering a free drink in a hotel bar to part me from mine
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09:11 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/759782206503948289
09:11 < yoleaux> We're not here to decide to hard-fork #bitcoin, we're here to decide to hard-fork #ethereum. (@kanzure)
09:17 < Reventlov> huhuhu hard fork huhuuhuhu
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09:42 < kanzure> hmm there are rfid chips which could be contained in a compartment with a diameter of 150 microns
09:43 < kanzure> "The most widely used emulsion formation [for in vitro compartmentalization techniques] gives droplets with a mean diameter of 2-3μm, and an average volume of ~5 femtoliters, or 10^10 aqueous droplet per ml of emulsions.[5]"
09:45 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_compartmentalization
09:46 < kanzure> basically i'm wondering about using free-floating microchips inside each droplet instead of using the surface of a giant semiconductor array device thing
09:48 < kanzure> "The team in the Micro and Nanosystems Department at IMB-CNM (CSIC) began by fabricating different batches of polysilicon chips, a typical semiconductor material, and choosing the most suitable types with lateral dimensions of 1.5–3µm and with a thickness of 0.5 µm before implanting them inside living cells taken from Dictyostelium discoideum and human HeLa cells. Preliminary experiments incubating the HeLa cells with polysilicon ...
09:48 < kanzure> ... chips gave low yields of internalized intracellular chips (ICC) so they used lipofection (encapsulation of materials in a lipid vesicle called a liposome) to obtain higher rates of ICC-containing cells. After insertion, the researchers then monitored the cells to make sure they remained alive and healthy. They found that over 90% of the HeLa cell population remained viable seven days after lipofection."
09:48 < kanzure> http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=15292.php
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09:49 < kanzure> "Intracellular Silicon Chips in Living Cells" http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/smll.200901041/abstract
09:49 < kanzure> "Silicon-based chips offer high flexibility and versatility as they are based on semiconductor and MEMS technology. They can be top-down fabricated with well-controlled shape and size. Silicon microchips can be internalized into eukaryotic cells (see image) without interfering with cell viability. Engineered intracellular chips with different biomolecules attached to the surface can be used as intracellular sensors."
09:51 < kanzure> here's one where a chip is inserted into a cell to measure internal pressure using optical reflection of the deflection of some membrane on the chip http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v8/n7/abs/nnano.2013.118.html
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10:01 < kanzure> "Intracellular silicon chips in living cells" https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Enrique_De_la_Rosa2/publication/40732544_Intracellular_Silicon_Chips_in_Living_Cells/links/00b7d51a5c99bc5c13000000.pdf
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10:21 < archels> reset
10:21 < archels> er, ignore
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12:29 < nmz787> chris_99: not off the top of my head... that LPC4370 with 80MSPS @ 12bits is the closest that comes to mind... and also some discussions in maybe ##openfpga about people using multiple ADCs interleaved, to double the sample rate of a given ADC. Also you might be able to get a fast-enough FPGA to do delta-sigma ADC, not sure about bandwidth and bits achievable for a given FPGA clock, etc...
12:32 < chris_99> oh i found one that looks really good
12:32 < chris_99> i'm looking at the fx3
12:32 < chris_99> sec
12:32 < chris_99> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/14-105M-high-speed-AD-module-high-speed-ADC-module-data-acquisition-module-electronic-contest-module/32318195151.html
12:32 < chris_99> 105Msps
12:32 < chris_99> @ 14 bit
12:33 < chris_99> and id get http://uk.farnell.com/cypress-semiconductor/cyusb3kit-003/dev-board-usb-controller/dp/2448471?COM=dtss-detail_DesignCenter_Cypress_CYUSB3KIT-003%20CMPNULL
12:33 < chris_99> the fx3 should give plenty of bandwidth
12:33 < chris_99> it permits 100MHz GPIO
12:42 < nmz787> chris_99: what do you want to do?
12:43 < chris_99> planning on doing power analysis, where i want to do some quite long captures
12:43 < nmz787> for 4x more money, you could just get a rigol ds1054 and save your output to USB, oh, wait, that only yields 8-bit
12:43 < chris_99> along with also voltage glitching
12:43 < chris_99> i've got a rigol
12:43 < chris_99> the issue is memory depth
12:43 < nmz787> really?
12:43 < nmz787> with the 20 megapoints or whatever?
12:44 < nmz787> have you done the hack?
12:44 < chris_99> the memory isn't that deep on mine afaik, sec
12:44 < nmz787> 24 megapoints is the hacked/upgraded max
12:44 < nmz787> (on the ds10X4 series)
12:45 < chris_99> i didn't think hacking them alters the depth
12:45 < chris_99> i thought it's just the sample rate
12:45 < chris_99> i think it's only around 1M for mine, unless i'm mistaken, 1052e
12:46 < nmz787> nah, you can double the memory from 12 to 24
12:46 < nmz787> ah, you have the older scope
12:46 < nmz787> yeah different beast
12:46 < chris_99> ah
12:46 < nmz787> it does 1 gigasample at 8 bits, up to 24 megasample depth
12:46 < nmz787> USB data port for saving, ethernet
12:46 < chris_99> nice
12:49 < chris_99> but for less than £100, for those two boards, that'd be pretty handy i think, if i can figure out how to program it heh
13:00 < chris_99> http://hackaday.com/2016/07/30/hackaday-prize-entry-you-have-no-free-will/
13:06 < nmz787> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/28/anthrax-sickens-13-in-western-siberia-and-a-thawed-out-reindeer-corpse-may-be-to-blame/
13:06 < nmz787> First a heatwave hit Siberia. Then came the anthrax.
13:07 < nmz787> "Thirteen Yamal nomads were hospitalized, including four children, the Siberian Times reported. The bacteria took an even worse toll on wildlife, claiming some 1,500 reindeer since Sunday."
13:29 < kanzure> nmz787: what do you think about the prospects of having a CMOS chip in a 3 micron diameter emulsion droplet, or having those emulsions on the surface of a large CMOS chip and interfacing electronically with the solutes inside of each aqeuous compartmnt?
13:29 < kanzure> .. compartment.
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16:40 < nmz787> kanzure: nanobots, essentially... lots of people have talked about and they seem reasonably interesting. Depends on what you want to accomplish with those in-emulsion-microchips.
16:42 < nmz787> like, have nanobots for each A, G, T, C, emulsion-droplet... then what? the nanobot captures a nucleotide, and then magnetically is pulled from the droplets or something, and then the nanobots interact to trade off nucleotides from one to another (the recipient would then I guess host a polymerization operation, or shuttle the cargo nucleotides to some polymerization emusion-droplet?)
16:46 < CaptHindsight> 3um is enough space for a CMOS 16b micro at 14nm process
16:47 < kanzure> 16 bytes?
16:47 < kanzure> 16 bits ?
16:47 < CaptHindsight> 16bit microcontroller
16:47 < kanzure> nmz787: for some reason i always thought nanobots would be robots, not microchips
16:47 < kanzure> ... er, not noanochips.
16:47 < kanzure> ... nanochips.
16:47 < CaptHindsight> if you gabbed it with polymers then you could fold it up into a much smaller space
16:48 < CaptHindsight> gabbed/fabbed
16:48 < kanzure> nmz787: no the nanobots would not be for capturing nucleotides
16:48 < kanzure> nmz787: it would be for having individual devices in each droplet, for a directed evolution project
16:49 < CaptHindsight> organic semiconductor 16b microcontroller at 14nm could be folded into a sub-micron diameter cell
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16:49 < CaptHindsight> DNA sampler nanobot
16:50 < CaptHindsight> peek inside cancer cells, get a copy, report back
16:52 < CaptHindsight> monitoring immune system responses would be very interesting
16:53 < nmz787> kanzure: are you saying siri or some other junk like that isn't a robot?
16:53 < nmz787> i mean, it seems like on the spectrum
16:55 < kanzure> hm?
16:55 < kanzure> i am busy typing for chinese translation today
16:55 < kanzure> sort of typed out
16:55 < kanzure> 37281 words
16:55 < CaptHindsight> Siri, why are my cells dying?
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16:57 < CaptHindsight> "looks like your telomeres are too short, would you like to order some longer ones from the Apple Store?"
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16:58 < CaptHindsight> worse yet "your subscription for longer telomeres has expired, please insert $100k for another 12 subscription"
16:59 < nmz787> that movie's been done
16:59 < CaptHindsight> 12 month
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16:59 < nmz787> borrrrrriiiinng
16:59 < CaptHindsight> well Idiocracy has been done and its playing out like a roadmap
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17:00 < CaptHindsight> roadmap/master plan
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18:15 < nmz787> quit boring me
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18:26 < CaptHindsight> heh, we are not amused?
18:27 < kanzure> nmz787: review the draft? make TODO list.
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18:35 < nmz787> hrmm
18:36 < nmz787> kanzure: know anyone who could wranlge this into a proper package dummies could use/install? https://github.com/lightweightdjango/examples/tree/chapter-8
18:37 < nmz787> 'chapter descriptions' here https://github.com/lightweightdjango/examples
18:38 < nmz787> it seems like it would be nicer than trello, and free compared to Jira
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19:08 < kanzure> read the ken reitz documentation on python packaging. django might have some docs of relevance too.
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