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Koen 01:01 < boneBonepop> kanzure: you took ME205, right? 01:03 < fenn> quite likely 01:05 < boneBonepop> I've been trying to hunt down some of the ME205 clips from when it used clips of Billy V. Koen 01:05 < boneBonepop> essentially the source materials used to make http://matlabmadness.ytmnd.com/ 01:08 < fenn> well good luck with that 01:08 < fenn> six years is a decade in internet dog years 01:09 < boneBonepop> well http://www.me.utexas.edu/~me205/unit03/index.html is still up, though it requires a password and a lot of the assets are missing 01:10 < boneBonepop> but I can't find any information on if they ever updated the material or anything so even then it might be pointless 01:12 < boneBonepop> Found this place because some guys were talking about it ~2009 01:12 < fenn> yeah me and kanzure and genehacker were in ME in various capacities 01:14 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 01:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- nnnn20430 [nnnn@lightning.bouncer.ml] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:38 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:5413:ad7f:fd16:7a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:5413:ad7f:fd16:7a] has quit [Changing host] 01:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:42 -!- nnnn20430 [nnnn@lightning.bouncer.ml] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.163] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- esmerelda [~andares@172.56.42.163] has quit [Changing host] 01:43 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:47 < fenn> "Humanity is not the last rung of the terrestrial creation. Evolution continues and man will be surpassed. It is for each individual to know whether he wants to participate in the advent of this new species. 01:47 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 01:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:c400:1196:5437:f4a0] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:c400:1196:5437:f4a0] has quit [Changing host] 01:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:943e:ee51:e080:6900] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:943e:ee51:e080:6900] has quit [Changing host] 02:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:11 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 02:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- Regex [Cara@2601:1c0:8501:d159:303d:be0:55d2:e9c6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- Regex_ [~Cara@2601:1c0:8501:d159:ed5b:6380:90ed:cc91] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:39 -!- Regex_ [~Cara@2601:1c0:8501:d159:303d:be0:55d2:e9c6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:39 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:43 -!- Regex [Cara@2601:1c0:8501:d159:303d:be0:55d2:e9c6] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:53 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.249.107] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.249.107] has quit [Changing host] 02:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:06 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:36 -!- boneBonepop [~foru@24-179-34-121.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.249.107] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.249.107] has quit [Changing host] 03:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58 -!- bluebear_ [~chatzilla@80.95.97.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:02 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:11 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@unaffiliated/mosasaur] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:13 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@81.62.130.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14 < mosasaur> https://expatriate.pl/first-polish-patient-wakes-coma-due-brain-stimulator-implant/ 04:14 < mosasaur> I wonder if this could work similarly to tcds https://i.reddit.com/r/tDCS/, but now using ultrasound 04:16 < mosasaur> some time ago I discussed using ultrasound for directly stimulating the cochlea and balance sense organs here 04:17 < mosasaur> we got districted by using similar ideas for directly imprinting 3D shapes in suitable printer materials IIRC 04:18 < mosasaur> also the general atmosphere was like: "what, you want to stimulate the most sensitive auditory organ with ultrasound ?!" 04:19 < mosasaur> like shining lasers into the eyes 04:20 < mosasaur> but, as it turns out, one can 'paint' the inside of the eyes with suitable lasers to project images on the retina 04:22 < mosasaur> so, wouldn't ultrasound, if it works this way, be a useful addition to a home tool set for brain stimulation? 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IIRC, i was put into some class about "how to use excel" which i promptly walked out of. 06:52 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:52 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 06:52 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:04 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:37 -!- archels_ [charl@toad.stack.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:37 -!- archels [charl@unaffiliated/archels] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48 -!- boneBonepop [~foru@24-179-34-121.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:45 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:56 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:58 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 < kanzure> hrmph 09:19 -!- Regex_ [~Cara@2601:1c0:8501:d159:303d:be0:55d2:e9c6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20 -!- Regex_ [~Cara@2601:1c0:8501:d159:303d:be0:55d2:e9c6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 09:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:30 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:30 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:31 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:34 -!- Malvolio is now known as Leopard 09:47 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 < kanzure> "Can aging be programmed? A critical literature review" http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.12510/abstract 09:50 < kanzure> "The evolution of the aging process has long been a biological riddle, because it is difficult to explain the evolution of a trait that has apparently no benefit to the individual. Over 60 years ago, Medawar realized that the force of natural selection declines with chronological age because of unavoidable environmental risks. This forms the basis of the mainstream view that aging arises as a consequence of a declining selection pressure ... 09:50 < kanzure> ... to maintain the physiological functioning of living beings forever. Over recent years, however, a number of articles have appeared that nevertheless propose the existence of specific aging genes; that is, that the aging process is genetically programmed. If this view were correct, it would have serious implications for experiments to understand and postpone aging. Therefore, we studied in detail various specific proposals why aging ... 09:50 < kanzure> ... should be programmed. We find that not a single one withstands close scrutiny of its assumptions or simulation results. Nonprogrammed aging theories based on the insight of Medawar (as further developed by Hamilton and Charlesworth) are still the best explanation for the evolution of the aging process. We hope that this analysis helps to clarify the problems associated with the idea of programmed aging." 09:55 < andytoshi> interesting, i suppose stuff like "old people take their kids' food" is included in these programming theories 10:02 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- Leopard is now known as Malvolio 10:11 -!- boneBonepop [~foru@24-179-34-121.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:18 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-chyawpdtmtfcpcoo] has quit [Changing host] 10:18 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@unaffiliated/anarcanon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@unaffiliated/anarcanon] has quit [Changing host] 10:18 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-chyawpdtmtfcpcoo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:20a2:62c5:9db2:b274] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:20a2:62c5:9db2:b274] has quit [Changing host] 10:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36 < kanzure> https://blog.lookout.com/blog/2016/08/25/trident-pegasus/ 10:38 < archels_> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ucxoKyiZI 10:38 < yoleaux> Father.IO - Real Life First Person Shooter - YouTube 10:44 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@31.29.9.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:45 < JayDugger> Good afternoon. 10:52 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:52 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:54 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:56 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:01 < kanzure> http://www.coindesk.com/cryptographer-voldemort-bitcoin-scaling/ 11:01 < JayDugger> Yes, and you get a mention in that article. 11:02 < JayDugger> Did they correctly quote you? 11:02 -!- Bakkot [~Bakkot@c-67-188-42-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:03 < kanzure> somewhat; the quote about talking about voldemort in speech was actually me quoting andytoshi from a podcast, but they have attributed that to me. it's true that i said the same line, but i was relaying that someone else had made the remark. 11:19 < andytoshi> interesting that that never hit the front page of coindesk (nothing has since aug 20) 11:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:20a2:62c5:9db2:b274] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:20a2:62c5:9db2:b274] has quit [Changing host] 11:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:23 < JayDugger> Um...if you say so, andytoshi. Coindesk.com's web page shows me a 2016-08-25 story as the most recent one with a date, and Mimblewimble is one page down below. 11:23 < andytoshi> i do say so 11:23 < andytoshi> 'Aug 20, 2016' is the most recent article 11:24 < kanzure> cache problems 11:24 < __mz_o> maybe cached page? thats weird 11:24 < andytoshi> oh, i enabled then disabled scripting, and now there are new articles 11:24 < kanzure> two hardest problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors 11:24 < andytoshi> haha 11:24 < andytoshi> pretty sad that a news website can't get its cache shit straight 11:25 < JayDugger> Okay, I am tired. I had to read that joke twice. 11:25 < kanzure> unfortunately it's not a joke! :( 11:25 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:29 < JayDugger> What's a good example of the naming things problem? Wait, let me search that for myself. 11:30 < kanzure> good example, yeah. if naming things was easy you would have been able to come up with the name of the thing to look for. 11:33 < JayDugger> Thank you for the compliment, but that really hadn't occurred to me. I did search for "computer science naming things error," which did a good enough job of naming the problem to return useful hits. Pure luck it worked, I suppose. 11:33 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33 < JayDugger> Your explanation makes sense now. 11:33 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:25 < maaku> fenn: Interesting. thank you 12:31 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 < maaku> library doesn't carry it. annoying. 12:42 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:43 -!- boneBonepop [~foru@24-179-34-121.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 < kanzure> saurik: you were featured in today's #bitcoin-core-dev meeting :) 12:50 -!- augur [~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a470:45f6:2c84:df73] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:06 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@182.75.187.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:38 < nsh> .tw https://twitter.com/OpenTrons_/status/768523584939626497 13:38 < yoleaux> one-fifth of all papers about genes contain typos due to an Excel default setting that converts gene names to dates. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/08/24/excel_created_major_typos_in_20_percent_of_scientific_papers_on_genes.html (@OpenTrons_) 13:38 < nsh> science! 13:51 -!- bluebear_ [~chatzilla@80.95.97.194] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0/20160728203720]] 14:04 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@182.75.187.110] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 < archels_> https://github.com/gilbo/cork/issues/26 14:22 < boneBonepop> "WARNING: Unfortunately, there are a number of known problems with Cork. I have zero time to work on the library since I'm currently busy working on a thesis. (March 2016) If you would like to pay me large sums of money to improve this library, maybe we should talk. Otherwise, I'm really quite sorry to say I don't have time." kek 14:24 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: text1.text] 14:30 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45 < saurik> kanzure: I imagine for something annoying and characteristic, as opposed to something interesting or useful? 14:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 < maaku> your ios code signing stuff got ported to work for osx binaries, which bitcoin core will use as part of its release process 15:08 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-249-107.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 15:21 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10 < kanzure> saurik: (see above) 16:13 < kanzure> saurik: bitcoin core has some strong release process requirements- like distributed deterministic builds plus everyone signs and everyone veifies the hashes and the signatures 16:15 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:20a2:62c5:9db2:b274] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:15 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:20a2:62c5:9db2:b274] has quit [Changing host] 16:15 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28 < saurik> maaku: my ios codesigning stuff has always worked with osx binaries 16:28 < saurik> (there is no difference between ios codesigning and osx codesigning) 16:30 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: Malvolio] 16:31 < maaku> I'm just the messenger 16:43 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 < saurik> maaku: so, I just spent a bunch of time making certain I didn't miss anything via IRC, and I've also checked e-mail. were they intending to tell me anything? I am kind of in shock that of all projects, bitcoin, another open source project, is now continuing the pattern of "we found something mysterious that we fixed that we don't bother mentioning directly to upstream" 16:57 < maaku> saurik: I don't know? I've literally told you everything I know. Here's the meeting minutes : http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2016/bitcoin-core-dev.2016-08-25-19.02.html 16:57 < maaku> https://github.com/theuni/osx-codesign/commits/master 16:58 < saurik> OMFG I hate this generation of open source people 16:58 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 < saurik> maaku: regardless, thanks for telling me :/ 17:01 < maaku> sorry :( 17:07 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:07 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- oleo_ [~oleo@x4db59401.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:30 -!- oleo [~oleo@unaffiliated/oleo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:42 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:53 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:06 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:08 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.249.107] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.249.107] has quit [Changing host] 18:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ncvmplahvpivbtoo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:50 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:5839:2482:8912:5deb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:100e:c500:5839:2482:8912:5deb] has quit [Changing host] 18:51 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:53 < kanzure> saurik: i pinged you because you're upstream, bitcoin core doesn't have any actual official organization that should be pinging you, it's just a bunch of people hanging out on irc doing stuff. so i pinged about it. 18:55 < kanzure> irc seems like a reasonable way to inform upstream :) 19:23 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: text1.text] 19:34 < saurik> kanzure: "hey, I guess you didn't notice, but earlier this year apple introduced some new sha256 extensions to CodeDirectory that should probably be integrated into ldid; and when we tried to sign an osx binary bundle, ldid didn't work, as the resource rules probably need to be different. I can (and will) start working on patches for these, but maybe you have some direction and no matter what I thought you should know" 19:35 < saurik> kanzure: vs. "ldid didn't work, so we published a public fork on github. we changed the name of the project, as our patch to fix these two bugs makes the project very different: now it is osx-codesign instead of ldid. let's have meetings about it, and maybe someone will mumble something at saurik at some point that we are using his code" 19:49 < saurik> kanzure: (to be clear, I'm really glad you and maaku let me know something was happening. I'm just unhappy that the state of the world is no longer "let's coordinate with the person whose code, because talking to people and working together is fun and that way the tool can be better for everyone" instead of "ugh, it didn't work, I'll halfass a patch and publish the result, as the goal is somehow just that the code is open in theory") 19:49 < saurik> person whose code -> person (or people) whose code we are using 19:50 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:52 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnkbbhdolsveerjx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:53 -!- duper` [~super@ca4.blackcatz.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:55 -!- espes [~espes@205.185.120.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:56 -!- duper [~super@ca4.blackcatz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:56 -!- espes [~espes@205.185.120.132] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:56 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-128-173.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@31.29.9.62] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:22 -!- irseeyou [~irseeyou@c-67-168-101-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 20:45 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-50-188-129-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:47 < gene_hacker> 2016 NIAC symposium presentations: http://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2016 20:48 < kanzure> which ones should i type up 20:55 < gene_hacker> Philip lubin's talk is interesting 20:59 < kanzure> "plasmonic force propulsion"? 21:00 < kanzure> "Tensegrity Approaches to In-Space Construction of a 1g Growable Habitat" 21:00 < kanzure> "Gadgets, Widgets, and Contraptions: Technology Needs for Astrobiology" 21:01 < kanzure> "Reconstituting Asteroids into Mechanical Automata" 21:01 < kanzure> "Venus Interior Probe Using In-situ Power and Propulsion (VIP-INSPR)" 21:01 < kanzure> "Advancing Torpor Inducing Transfer Habitats for Human Stasis to Mars;" 21:03 < kanzure> oh i was reading it wrong. it is "Directed Energy for Interstellar Study". 21:06 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Killed (leguin.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 21:06 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 < ybit> can't recall if i've shared it, so i'm sharing again because the chart is worth it: http://kevinmahoney.co.uk/articles/tests-vs-types/ 21:29 -!- anoncicada [anoncicada@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-chyawpdtmtfcpcoo] has quit [Quit: faggory daggory doo!] 21:46 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-50-188-129-64.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51 -!- oleo_ [~oleo@x4db59401.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: hacked by wrong philosophers] 21:55 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:21 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [] 22:25 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:20 -!- juul [~juul@juul.io] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:20 -!- hylleddin1 is now known as hylleddin 23:21 -!- crescendo [~mozart@unaffiliated/crescendo] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:21 -!- crescendo [~mozart@unaffiliated/crescendo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:26 -!- juul [~juul@juul.io] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:30 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnkbbhdolsveerjx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:35 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@46.140.52.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39 -!- boneBonepop [~foru@24-179-34-121.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Log closed Fri Aug 26 00:00:36 2016