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06:11 < JayDugger> Huh.
06:16 < JayDugger> Thanks, ybit.
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07:02 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5168f63a Bryan Bishop: add a reference for balloon hashing >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/dan-boneh/
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07:36 < kanzure> music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoGFB6tsXI&t=25m50s
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10:08 < ybit> making note of http://gittup.org/tup/
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11:55 < ybit> kanzure: thanks for the music
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14:09 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a5777707 Bryan Bishop: fix typo about weir pairings >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/simons-institute/pairing-cryptography/
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14:18 < chris_99> interesting they're apparently going to actually test the EM Drive in space soon
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14:50 < abetusk> .title http://www.digitopoly.org/2016/08/31/ten-open-questions-for-the-techno-optimist/
14:50 < yoleaux> Digitopoly | Ten Open Questions for the Techno-Optimist
15:11 < fenn> chris_99: does it merit such a test?
15:16 < chris_99> if it turns out it does actually work sure
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16:18 < kanzure> n55 is still around. now that vinay gupta is quitting ethereum, maybe he'll go hang out with them.
16:18 < kanzure> but they are doing gridbeam things
16:22 < kanzure> stalk: elkinsdiy
16:23 < kanzure> http://www.elkinsdiy.com/micro-survival-gear/
16:25 < kanzure> http://www.elkinsdiy.com/mobile-shelters/micro-airstream-bike-camper/
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16:36 < kanzure> http://luis.labfab.cc/
16:38 < kanzure> above is avida developer plus someone doing open-source hardware microfluidics things
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16:47 < ybit> http://www.crypto.com/blog/celltapping/ .title
16:47 < ybit> .title
16:47 < yoleaux> Matt Blaze: How Law Enforcement Tracks Cellular Phones
16:47 < ybit> #random
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16:52 < kanzure> http://adamilab.msu.edu/publications/
16:53 < kanzure> "Does self-replication imply evolvability?" http://adamilab.msu.edu/wp-content/uploads/Labaretal2015.pdf
16:54 < kanzure> "Information-theoretic considerations concerning the origin of life" http://adamilab.msu.edu/wp-content/uploads/Adami2015b.pdf
16:55 < kanzure> "The evolution of logic circuits for the purpose of protein contact map prediction" https://peerj.com/preprints/2197/
16:55 < kanzure> "Evolvability tradeoffs in emergent digital replicators" http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.07959
16:56 < kanzure> "Different evolutionary paths to complexity for small and large populations of digital organisms" https://arxiv.org/abs/1604.06299
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17:24 < kanzure> "Evolved virtual creatures at content: Increasing behavioral and morphological complexity" http://apps.cs.utexas.edu/tech_reports/reports/tr/TR-2185.pdf
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17:33 < kanzure> "The obvious downside of such a design approach is that most simulations in TIERRA end due to premature convergence (Adami and Brown 1994) – i.e. the system reaches stable states with ease, but it does so without developing much adaptation and diversity. Most stable states are blunt cases of stalling due to full memory occupation."
17:37 < kanzure> above is from "Issues in modeling open-ended evolution"
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17:43 < kanzure> bunch of papers on "open-ended evolution" http://www.tim-taylor.com/oee2/
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17:47 < kanzure> http://www.tim-taylor.com/oee1/
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17:57 < kanzure> not sure what to do about those complexity ceilings in evolutionary simulators
17:57 < kanzure> maybe co-evolution of simulator and organisms
17:58 < kanzure> from what i can tell there's often a limit on novel phenotypes and biodiversity
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18:14 < kanzure> nsh: there needs to be an information theoretic measurement of potential for complexity
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21:36 < ybit> http://www.tim-taylor.com/oee2/abstracts/stepney-oee2-submission-revised.pdf
21:36 < ybit> "The longer answer, however, is that they probably cannot
21:36 < ybit> exhibit OE, i.e. the continual production of open-ended
21:36 < ybit> events. The reason is that the code, conforming to the fixed
21:36 < ybit> model, cannot directly exploit the (scientifically modelled)
21:36 < ybit> innovations and emergents. I"
21:37 < ybit> if the game of life is turing complete, then surely this isn't true?
21:40 < ybit> http://algorithmicbotany.org/papers/
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23:17 < fenn> ybit: this paul elkins guy must have been reading my mind
23:18 < fenn> oops that was kanzure's link, nm
23:19 < fenn> see also "oru kayak" for the needlessly expensive version of the coroplast kayak
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