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00:44 < fenn> .title http://youtu.be/k_4ila-VktM
00:44 < yoleaux> Homemade ORU KAYAK - YouTube
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06:49 < kanzure> http://www.slideshare.net/ynotds/ethologys-anthropocentric-misassumption
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08:00 < kanzure> "Foldscope: origami-based paper microscope" https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1403/1403.1211.pdf (from the same group that did the paperfuge recently)
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09:37 < kanzure> marvin minsky was the inventor of confocal scanning microscopy? hrm.
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11:32 < abetusk> is foldoscope "open" (cc-by, cc-by-sa design files)?
11:33 < abetusk>  Is Foldscope an open hardware project? Do you have plans for the same?
11:33 < abetusk> We are currently exploring best possible ways to provide quality tools to largest number of people. We have two missions; one in healthcare and one in education. We are exploring all possible options to bring this tool to the masses and exploring licenses that allow us to do this in a sustainable manner. More information about this will be available here soon.
11:33 < abetusk> http://www.foldscope.com/faqs/
11:33 < gradstudentbot> That's enzymatically impossible.
11:36 < CaptHindsight> I want a microscope made only from dairy products
11:37 < chris_99> lol
11:37 < chris_99> what about poor vegans though then CaptHindsight
11:38 < __mz_o> gluten free microscopes
11:38 < CaptHindsight> they aren't required to consume any of the microscope to use it
11:42 < chris_99> i could of sworn i heard something about vegans + old fashioned film, and not using it because of the gelatin, but maybe that's untrue
11:43 < __mz_o> i hope thats untrue
11:44  * kanzure pokes gradstudentbot
11:44 < gradstudentbot> Oh, are you done writing that paper already?
11:44 < chris_99> https://www.reddit.com/r/analog/comments/1tqg0r/vegan_friendly_film/ mentions about it though __mz_o
11:44 < kanzure> is this film that you can eat?
11:44 < kanzure> wait why does CaptHindsight want a cheese microscope?
11:45 < CaptHindsight> where do vegans draw the line on what is edible or workable?
11:45 < kanzure> microscopes. that's the line.
11:45 < CaptHindsight> with vs without eyes?
11:45 < juri_> i draw the line at endorsing murder or slavery.
11:46 < __mz_o> typical juri_
11:46 < __mz_o> jury thinks theyre so right
11:50 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: you be right http://petapixel.com/2011/11/15/did-you-know-film-and-photo-paper-are-made-using-animals-parts/
11:51 < CaptHindsight> http://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/does-film-contain-gelatin/
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12:11 < maaku> juri_: compilers are slaves...
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12:13 < __mz_o> enslaved to produce byte code for the rest of their existance...
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12:23 < juri_> wow, that's some grade B trolling.
12:24 < juri_> they also use gelatin in food. i'd much rather see it in film and photo paper. ;)
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13:44 < xentrac> is it really trolling if they post it on their own website and don't allow comments, juri_?  Or maybe that's what you mean by "grade B"
13:46 < xentrac> PETA does do some pretty great trolling but that page reads as entirely reasonable if you accept their basic assumption about the relative moral value of animals
13:47 < xentrac> (or maybe you meant the "compilers are slaves" line?)
13:47 < c0rw1n_> obligatory http://petrl.org/
13:47 < c0rw1n_> .title
13:47 < yoleaux> People for the Ethical Treatment of Reinforcement Learners
13:49 < xentrac> btw, I wanted to explain my comments earlier about ImplicitCAD: it's not that I think it's bad in some absolute sense, just that it wouldn't resolve my greatest frustrations with doing parametric design in PostScript
13:50 < xentrac> namely, I can't identify things by pointing at them with the mouse; I don't get access to the generated geometry so that I can do things like put a chamfer 1.5mm away from an intersection; and the paradigm for instantiating parametric parts is functional rather than relational/constraint-based
13:51 < xentrac> PostScript is slightly worse in that its paradigm is instead imperative, leading to me wasting time debugging nonsense like how my turtle ended up pointing the wrong direction, but since I can write higher-order functions in PostScript, that isn't actually as big a problem as you'd think
14:29 < chris_99> anyone ever seen sheets of Quantum tunnelling composite, all i can seem to find at the moment is tiny 'pill' sized amounts
14:36 < kanzure> xentrac: you probably have to highlight juri_ to get a response there
14:37 < gradstudentbot> I'm glad you brought that up, I'm going to do that right now.
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14:52 < maaku> gradstudentbot: no you won't
14:52 < gradstudentbot> I'm only doing this to get tenure.
14:52 < maaku> ok then
14:53 < kanzure> install_requires does not support wheels. python continues to boggle my mind.
14:56 < kanzure> python dependency management seems to still be broken
14:56 < kanzure> sigmavirus24 has done a bunch of good work with pip and setuptools but i guess something is still v. broken
15:00 < maaku> kanzure: isn't that layer violating?
15:00 < maaku> you can provide wheel files to pip
15:00 < maaku> to meet those dependencies
15:01 < kanzure> which layer is being violated? install_requires should have a list of the dependecies, right?
15:01 < kanzure> *dependencies
15:02 < maaku> yes, but you just specify what packages and version constraints, not which type of package distribution mechanism is used, right?
15:03 < kanzure> yes but some developers (like petertodd) only release wheels instead of sdist
15:03 < kanzure> unfortunately install_requires is only compatible with sdist
15:05 < kanzure> https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib/issues/117
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16:48 < kanzure> [Anders] was part of the thread (that Eliezer started) that led to the first story in Accelerando, "Lobsters"."
16:48 < kanzure> +"
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17:20 < kanzure> looks like the piezo array stuff is shipping? http://www.soundlazer.com/product/large-ultrasonic-speaker-array/
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19:24 < kanzure> "Changes in brain striatum dopamine and acetylcholine receptors induced by chronic CDP-choline treatment of aging mice" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1908237/
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