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https://github.com/justinsteven/advisories/blob/master/2016_metasploit_rce_static_key_deserialization.md 09:01 < kanzure> "shellcode mutation engine" thing https://github.com/K2/ADMMutate 09:12 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48 < kanzure> https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/a-primer-on-bitcoin-governance-or-why-developers-aren-t-in-charge-of-the-protocol-1473270427 09:49 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:50 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:05 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06 -!- saturn2 [~visitant@unaffiliated/clone-of-saturn/x-2509460] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:21 -!- saturn2 [~visitant@unaffiliated/clone-of-saturn/x-2509460] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1021:d400:c526:dac:f374:ecf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- ebowden 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http://cba.mit.edu/docs/papers/11.12.Computing.pdf Aligning the representation and reality of computation 13:07 < ybit> with asynchronous logic automata 13:12 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@185.66.252.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 < ybit> briefly shows a video of http://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/961.09/people/scott/mleg.html 13:15 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@185.66.252.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:26 < ybit> "We're now teaching how to grow almost anything where you use a fablab to make a biolab and then you teach biotechnology." 13:26 < ybit> where are the instructions for this? 13:29 < kanzure> it's probably "use dirt and water" 13:30 < gradstudentbot> I think using the laser is making me sterile. 13:33 < ybit> :) 13:33 < ybit> i didn't know of this paper linked at the end http://cba.mit.edu/events/03.11.ASE/docs/VonNeumann.pdf 13:34 < ybit> from http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-10-31.log 13:34 < ybit> 00:36 < fenn> An early fictional treatment was the short story "Autofac" by 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Dick, published in 1955, which precedes von Neumann's original paper about self-reproducing machines (von Neumann, J., 1966, The Theory of Self-reproducing Automata 13:37 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@185.66.252.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 < kanzure> molecular assemblies and "EcoDNA": 13:50 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/patents/US8808989 13:50 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-07-20.log 13:51 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:54 < kanzure> unclear how different nmz787_'s sieve is versus kent kemmish's demonpore sieve 13:55 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56 -!- ForrestFlanagan [a2e8908e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.144.142] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 < ForrestFlanagan> Demonpore 13:56 < ForrestFlanagan> wat 13:56 < kanzure> unclear how different nmz787_'s sieve is versus kent kemmish's demonpore sieve 13:57 < kanzure> there was a recent email about this. sec. 13:57 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/FXaT-MjJQYI/cCGd6_vbAQAJ 13:57 < ForrestFlanagan> I've got an inkling of a way to do a thing 13:57 < kanzure> "SiMpore strainer" 14:00 -!- jtimon [~quassel@150.110.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:01 < ForrestFlanagan> IIRC polycarbonate sheets can be disrupted in a regular way by lambasting them with beta radiation 14:02 -!- sandeepkr__ [~sandeepkr@103.49.155.114] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 < ForrestFlanagan> and then in an etchant bath, the weakened areas dissolve, and the holes slowly widen 14:02 -!- sandeepkr_ [~sandeepkr@111.235.65.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:03 < ForrestFlanagan> I'm trying to find the paper that has this info so I can double check on the details, like what kind of etchant works 14:04 < ForrestFlanagan> but it produces very regular pores of pretty much any width, depending on how long one etches 14:04 < ForrestFlanagan> I figure if a beta particle can pass through one thin sheet of polycarbonate, it can pass through two very thin sheets 14:05 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:06 < ForrestFlanagan> just add some kind of piezo actuator or some other form of tiny demon and you've got an electrically actuated pore 14:07 < ForrestFlanagan> just wanted to get that out there for nmz787_ or whoever else is doing weird molecular sensing/sorting with pores 14:08 < ForrestFlanagan> Ha, found my details 14:08 -!- genehacker [chatzilla@128-193-154-195.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:08 < ForrestFlanagan> It's alpha particles, not beta 14:09 < ForrestFlanagan> and PC etches with regular old NaOH at 85C 14:09 < ForrestFlanagan> http://scienceasia.org/2000.26.n3/v26_175_179.pdf 14:09 < ForrestFlanagan> .title 14:09 < yoleaux> ForrestFlanagan: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page. 14:09 < ForrestFlanagan> Production of Nuclear-Track Etched Membranes 14:09 < genehacker> how is pore size modulated 14:10 < ForrestFlanagan> how long you etch with the sodium hydroxide 14:11 < genehacker> so no real time control 14:11 < ForrestFlanagan> I mean 14:11 < kanzure> er, nmz787_ would probably say FIB stuff 14:11 < ForrestFlanagan> it's on the scale of minutes, it's a slow etch and a slow alpha bombardment 14:12 < ForrestFlanagan> Oh, I almost forgot 14:13 < ForrestFlanagan> it's kind of important for the alpha particles to strike normal to the surface 14:13 < ForrestFlanagan> or else you get crazy oblique holes 14:13 < ForrestFlanagan> so, basically just pull it away from the surface a bit 14:19 < ForrestFlanagan> radium paint is probably the most readily available alpha particle source for making nanopore membranes 14:19 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1021:d400:c526:dac:f374:ecf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:19 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1021:d400:c526:dac:f374:ecf] has quit [Changing host] 14:19 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28 < kanzure> ForrestFlanagan: what was the virus thing that jacob was working on? 14:36 < genehacker> why not use americium? 14:37 < genehacker> it's in smoke detectors 14:44 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@37.218.170.7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- ArturSha1 [~ArturShai@37.218.170.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1021:d400:e99a:315c:f8d:4c3a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1021:d400:e99a:315c:f8d:4c3a] has quit [Changing host] 15:17 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- nildicit_ [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 15:53 < CaptHindsight> http://www.temwindows.com/product_p/sn100-p20q05.htm wow those pores sure are irregular 16:16 < CaptHindsight> https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jnm/2013/460870/ 16:16 < CaptHindsight> you can have very regularly spaced pores if you seed them 16:29 -!- genehacker [chatzilla@128-193-154-195.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 < justanotheruser> do you know where I can find this where they would actually list the price? http://www.hepcomotion.com/product/ring-guides-track-systems-and-segments/prt2-precision-ring-guides-and-ring-segments/ 16:54 < justanotheruser> or something with the same functionality 17:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14 < CaptHindsight> justanotheruser: you have to contact most suppliers for pricing unless you can find them in a catalog somewhere 17:16 < justanotheruser> yeah, I was hoping for something like mcmaster 17:16 < justanotheruser> why is it that they don't give pricing? 17:16 < CaptHindsight> found the linear track http://www.bwc.com/utilitrak-linear-guide-track.html 17:17 < CaptHindsight> http://www.bwc.com/shop.html what they sell online direct 17:17 < CaptHindsight> justanotheruser: pricing varies 17:18 < justanotheruser> I'm interested in a circular track 17:18 < CaptHindsight> when I see pricing online for mechanical devices and components I think hobby/consumer/commodity 17:19 < justanotheruser> also, one with teeth that I can drive along with a stepper moter dfor precision 17:19 < justanotheruser> why wouldn't a major company want pricing? 17:19 < CaptHindsight> keep prices higher 17:19 < CaptHindsight> have different prices for different customers 17:20 < justanotheruser> meh, I think that's annoying 17:20 < justanotheruser> they could just give a standard price and give discounts for bulk purchasers 17:20 < CaptHindsight> it's also annoying for them so they don't post pricing 17:21 < justanotheruser> heh 17:21 < justanotheruser> I just emailed them asking for a price 17:21 < CaptHindsight> they don't target the low volume hobby/consumer 17:23 < justanotheruser> mhm 17:23 -!- ForrestFlanagan [a2e8908e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.232.144.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23 < justanotheruser> What is the biggest competitor to mcmaster 17:24 < CaptHindsight> don't expect maker/openbuilds/repcrap prices from a company that makes precision mechanical components 17:24 < justanotheruser> not so concerned with prices as I am the ability to get price 17:25 < justanotheruser> I assume that this component will be less than $1k.. 17:25 < justanotheruser> if they sell it to me 17:25 < CaptHindsight> they may also not respond to a gmail address for pricing 17:25 < justanotheruser> hopefully they do 17:26 < justanotheruser> if not, I guess I'll get it machined somewere 17:26 < CaptHindsight> they also don't like to share pricing with competitors 17:27 < CaptHindsight> look for their distributor or sales rep 17:27 < justanotheruser> that would make sense I guess 17:27 < justanotheruser> though cold emailing for pricing has never failed me before 17:28 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:29 < gradstudentbot> If I break my arm, do I still have to present tomorrow? 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20:53 < justanotheruser> It seems reasonable to charge me all the overhead from selling a single item 20:53 < justanotheruser> Also if I like their product I'll probably buy a few more :p 21:00 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03 -!- cynsia [cyn@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe79:d5d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04 -!- cynsia [cyn@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe79:d5d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:06 -!- cynsia [cyn@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe79:d5d] has quit [Client Quit] 21:15 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@109.128.247.136] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/hplusroadmap-2016-09-18.tar.gz 21:25 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.152.97.46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.152.97.46] has quit [Changing host] 21:25 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 < justanotheruser> random tarball 21:30 < CaptHindsight> fenn: the last time I checked the most of the world was capitalistic 21:31 < Aurelius_Home> most of the world is on one form or another of state capitalism 21:47 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:47 < justanotheruser> fenn: where can I find a product of the same functionality with a public price? 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