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04:53 < ashleyperpetual> https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/557h7r/trying_to_come_up_with_the_best_working_model_for/
04:53 < ashleyperpetual> ^idea of using neural networks for simulationism as opposed to a full physical model or making an abstract gta v type virtual reality
04:54 < ashleyperpetual> after all we can daydream extremely plausible vast scenarios
04:54 < ashleyperpetual> a full physical model would take up more resources (which are limited due to heat death)
04:55 < ashleyperpetual> and an abstract programmed simulation like gta v or minecraft is limited in size and scope by the programmers and their knowledge
04:55 < ashleyperpetual> but neural networks have the benefit of speed of the abstraction, while having the broad capabilities and size of a full-physical simulation of the reality
04:56 < ashleyperpetual> you would model everything in the world once in as much detail as possible
04:56 < ashleyperpetual> even if it means each atom is a neuron on some level
04:56 < ashleyperpetual> and then more abstract processes are modeled and interrelated with those
04:56 < ashleyperpetual> so you might link the network of the grand canyon with both the state of arizona and some stone or rocks in it
04:57 < ashleyperpetual> but when the simulation is run, the detail can be like a fractal of sorts
04:57 < ashleyperpetual> depending on what is most relevant and linked to the observer, different networks run in more abstracted/less detailed form
04:57 < ashleyperpetual> abstractions of the abstractions so to speak
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05:45 < kanzure> wouldn't it be easier to send you grandcanyon.jpg?
05:45 < esmerelda> are there good ML channels on FreeNode besides ##machinelearning? it looks a little dead
05:45 < esmerelda> although it is crazy early
05:46 < kanzure> just read everything here:
05:46 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/machine-learning/
05:46 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/speech-recognition/
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05:49 < ashleyperpetual> kanzure: yes a 2d image representation of the grand canyon is easier using a jpeg than some fancy neural network
05:49 < ashleyperpetual> but what if you want causality
05:50 < ashleyperpetual> or a 3d model
05:50 < ashleyperpetual> in a way that you can get plausibility from the atomic scale up to the whole area, and even go into the fourth dimension and project its development
05:50 < ashleyperpetual> or see how it would be physically altered by a nuclear blast
05:51 < ashleyperpetual> if we want to be able to simulate a full world without having to manually code/account for everything like gta
05:51 < ashleyperpetual> or like a full physics simulation on the other hand which would be too difficult to compute
05:51 < ashleyperpetual> then I think something LIKE neural networks at least would be best
05:51 < ashleyperpetual> I haven't looked into it much yet, but at least now I know what I can specialize in teaching myself
05:52 < ashleyperpetual> machine learning/AI that is
05:52 < kanzure> do you have any actual skills
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05:52 < ashleyperpetual> some coding
05:52 < ashleyperpetual> I've done some client-side web dev with javascript/jquery
05:53 < ashleyperpetual> nowhere near enough to even understand this very well, which is why I need to learn
05:54 < esmerelda> ashleyperpetual: look into what NVidia has recently announced with their self-driving car. Some of that is probably similarly modeling physics by learned inference
05:54 < ashleyperpetual> esmerelda: I'll check that out, thanks
05:54 < esmerelda> (NVidia is using a full NN approach rather than the hard-coded rule sets that Google et al are using)
05:54 < ashleyperpetual> right now I'm taking some courses to cover prerequisite knowledge
05:54 < esmerelda> I figured out a neat trick with neural networks today
05:54 < ashleyperpetual> yeah I saw a post about that on reddit, that sounds really promising
05:55 < esmerelda> so say that you have a convolutional neural network. those are good for images, but what if you want to pass along some parameters as well?
05:55 < ashleyperpetual> after all we can daydream with remarkable plausibility and detail
05:55 < esmerelda> you can't elegantly do it, because convolutional neural networks... convolve. they're inherently 2D
05:56 < esmerelda> but! you can create another feature channel, alongside the RGB channels, and make a 2D wave pattern on it, whose amplitude is the scalar variable you're trying to pass.
05:56 < esmerelda> since it's a wave rather than a uniform value, it's resilient to normalization.
05:57 < ashleyperpetual> I think I have a lot I need to learn before I can start to understand these issues
05:57 < esmerelda> in fact, you can be really fancy and pack in multiple parameters at relatively prime frequencies
05:57 < ashleyperpetual> I'm not even familiar with the terminology
05:57 < ashleyperpetual> I'm excited because now I know what to learn at least if I eventually want to be able to contribute
05:57  * esmerelda cackles with laughter as she falls farther into sleep deprivation madness
05:58 < ashleyperpetual> I was really stressed about not knowing what direction to take with my online learning
05:58 < ashleyperpetual> it's like "I have some js experience, im taking cs50... how does any of this lead to making a difference?"
05:58 < ashleyperpetual> but I really think AI might be my best bet if I want to live in le matrix :^)
05:59 < esmerelda> I'm scared of AI, but reluctantly learning the technology so I can protect myself
05:59 < esmerelda> I like being a useful human and I don't want to become obsolete.
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06:59 < kanzure> new ec2 instance type with 16 GPUs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12610804
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07:03 < kanzure> https://cloud.google.com/ml/
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07:11 < ashleyperpetual> thank you kanzure
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10:30  * fenn reluctantly contributes to the conversation
10:30 < fenn> a simulation of the universe could be running on an infinite substrate
10:33 < fenn> you'd need to train a neural network on an actual universe, but how would you get the data
10:33 < fenn> you can't just magically know everything there is to know about a particular volume of space
10:34 < fenn> calculate how much information is stored in a sand grain
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15:34 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=6729aa37 Bryan Bishop: transcript: elon musk stuff >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/
15:34 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/
15:36 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=67a2dbf7 Bryan Bishop: also add tweeter link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/
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16:19 < andytoshi> thanks kanzure
16:19 < andytoshi> i'm surprised elon didn't have a sanctioned transcriber..
16:22 < kanzure> guesd who
16:22 < andytoshi> did he pay you for this?
16:22 < kanzure> well.... no.
16:22 < kanzure> i forgot to invite you to dinner tonight
16:23 < andytoshi> oh, damn .. i'm meeting a friend at a bar in 1 hour, now it's too late
16:23 < andytoshi> we can do anytime before thurs
16:23 < kanzure> ah okay.
16:24 < andytoshi> this is great, you've got links everywhere, i didn't know mars had a 24.5 hour day
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17:30 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=04a82565 Bryan Bishop: some backlinks >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/
17:37 < kanzure> http://shitelonsays.com/transcript
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18:15 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2708fc8d Bryan Bishop: more backlinks >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/
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