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05:47 < kanzure> nothing really happened to paperbot... it still works. under the right conditions.
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06:31 < fenn> Testimonials
06:31 < fenn> At first you're like "shellcheck is awesome" but then you're like "wtf are we still using bash"
06:36 < kanzure> would it be too absurd to write in python, convert to shell scripts, or even include a very tiny version of python at the top of the file
06:37 < kanzure> you could even encourage people to do more thorough testing on the python-side of things
06:42 < fenn> the nice thing about writing in bash is that it's exactly like running programs the way you normally do
06:43 < kanzure> do you really regularly write hundred-line bash scripts that check many variables and do string manipulation, before executing?
06:43 < fenn> no
06:43 < fenn> hundred-line bash scripts are probably bad
06:43 < kanzure> i don't think shellcheck is for one-liners
06:44 < kanzure> well, a hundred lines of anything is probably bad
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14:24 < kanzure> "As an alternative to the generative pronunciation model, this section describes a model in which landmark information explicitly discriminates between confusable words in the baseline word lattice. The word lattice is first converted into a confusion network"
14:24 < kanzure> oh come on.
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16:17 < pasky> kanzure: https://clarke.ai - is that you? any intel?
16:18 < kanzure> not me
16:18 < kanzure> this seems to do just notes, though
16:19 < kanzure> same setup i've built though. cool.
16:22 < pasky> my instinct says it's faked and there's turkers on the other side
16:22 < pasky> but that's fine to gauge customer interest
16:22 < kanzure> i've been looking at non-deep-learning approaches to speech recognition today
16:22 < kanzure> i think a lot of the machine learning hype is mostly cargo culting
16:23 < kanzure> it turns out that you can look at spectra and do knowledge-based speech recognition from a set of rules
16:23 < kanzure> based on expert knowledge
16:23 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/speech-recognition/A%20bottom-up%20modular%20search%20approach%20to%20large%20vocabulary%20continuous%20speech%20recognition%20-%202013.pdf
16:23 < pasky> you can do anything, but the question is what accuracy you reach (...and on what dataset)
16:23 < kanzure> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.368.5405&rep=rep1&type=pdf
16:24 < kanzure> well they claim an error rate of 4%
16:24 < kanzure> which is... really really low.
16:26 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/speech-recognition/Formalizing%20knowledge%20used%20in%20spectrogram%20reading:%20Acoustic%20and%20perceptual%20evidence%20from%20stops%20-%201988.pdf
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16:29 < pasky> I'd suspect WSJ0-5k is a super-clean dataset
16:30 < kanzure> yes the word "noise" does not appear in this paper :P
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