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step 3) profit! which presumably includes being healthy 03:20 < fenn> in summary, not dying is a pre-requisite to being healthy 03:21 < fenn> not the other way around, as this website seems to claim 03:22 < fenn> sure being healthy also keeps you from dying 03:58 -!- iaglium [~i@45.63.76.107] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- hazirafel [~hazirafel@bzq-79-179-127-5.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:18 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:18 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:19 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:20 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzzhnxngxkobtvlp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:20 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@103.255.234.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:30 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@178.5.222.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103d:6200:519a:87bf:9ac6:1a53] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103d:6200:519a:87bf:9ac6:1a53] has quit [Changing host] 04:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.233.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@101.180.233.178] has quit [Changing host] 04:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:50 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-222-194.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- berndj-blackout [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- nmz787_ [~nmz787@unaffiliated/nmz787] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- saurik_ [saurik@carrier.saurik.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:40 -!- ArvinJA_ [~ArvinJA@web208.webfaction.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:40 -!- Pasha [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:43 -!- iaglium_ [~i@45.63.76.107] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:44 -!- poohbear_ [~poohbear@unaffiliated/tigger] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: yoleaux, c0rw1n, Gurkenglas, Cory, saurik, iaglium, poohbear, ArvinJA, maaku, bkero, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 05:45 -!- poohbear_ is now known as poohbear 05:45 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Aurelius_Home 05:46 -!- Pasha is now known as Cory 05:51 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@109.128.248.206] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:51 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@109.128.248.206] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52 -!- bkero [~bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:53 -!- juul [~juul@juul.io] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:56 < JayDugger> A bit of an overstatement there, fenn. Good health provides very little defense against fatal accidents: automobile crashes, drowning, earthquake, etc. 05:56 -!- maaku [~quassel@173.228.107.141] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:57 -!- maaku is now known as Guest40901 06:01 < Urchin> a well built house/building does protect against earthquakes, though, it also helps with health 06:02 < archels_> good health doesn't do anything against programmed death either 06:02 < archels_> I think that's the main drive of the argument here, against the rectangularization of the age distributioni 06:03 < Urchin> archels_: not quiet, programmed death has a sudden onset, often due to an event that causes diminished health 06:04 < Urchin> it's still usually an accident that triggers terminal aging 06:14 < archels_> what? aging is the most common cause of death by an overwhelming factor 06:18 < Urchin> yes, it is 06:19 < Urchin> but terminal aging is a fairly short process of several months, and is usually triggered by some accident lowering general health 06:21 < Urchin> it functions like a cascading failure 06:41 -!- jtimon [~quassel@211.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- M4l3z [~M4l3z@LFbn-1-4220-37.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:54 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-222-194.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:05 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-222-194.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08 -!- berndj-blackout is now known as berndj 07:15 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:17 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:19 -!- bsm1175321 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:29 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etketciabtwkxrjg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103d:6200:519a:87bf:9ac6:1a53] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103d:6200:519a:87bf:9ac6:1a53] has quit [Changing host] 07:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- bsm1175321 is now known as bsm117532 07:48 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:12 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@109.128.248.206] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- andytosh1 is now known as andytoshi 08:39 < kanzure> ".. behavioral results indicate that even high-functioning individuals with ASD perform less accurately and more slowly than neurotypical (NT) controls when processing eyes, but not when processing a directional cue (an arrow) that did not involve eyes" http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/brain.2013.0161 08:45 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:49 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:15 -!- Guest40901 [~quassel@173.228.107.141] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 09:16 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- kuudes [~kuudes@62-183-155-109.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 < kuudes> ah, yeah. people here could be interested of http://mielik.fi 09:23 < kuudes> it is a retakeable iq test I have made - a use case for such is to measure one's iq before and after intervention to get evidence on intervention's effectiveness 09:25 < kuudes> currently, the iq normalization of it is still ongoing, as it has not met very many people, but the internal score it returns should be much more constant, ie that you could compare your score on time 1 to your score on time 2; and you could try to deduce correlations etc from those score 09:25 < kuudes> if you want to try it, feel free. it is currently in open beta. I have made the testlets, the machine learning algorithm and the software system. 09:26 < kuudes> if you want further information or to talk on the subject, please feel free to join #mielik 09:30 < pasky> now I remember why I hate IQ tests, thanks! :) 09:33 < kanzure> because of the tendency of people to draw strenuous conclusions from the concept of iq and iq test results? 09:33 < kuudes> there are many valid criticisms against iq tests; and a major drawback so far has been that they are not repeatable, so one can't really use them as a meter for self improvements and quantified self; this system aims to cross that gap, so my sincere hope is that it would be useful for quantified self practicers 09:36 < pasky> I think I got bored, sorry; from the first 9 questions, I could answer three (not sure if correctly); took one other IQ test in my life, a random high school thing with score I think around 135, not sure anymore 09:36 < pasky> hth 09:36 < kanzure> i think there was a study somewhere about personal beliefs about intelligence as influencing intelligence test results or something. some sort of correlation to arrogance and conscientiousness. not sure where this study went though. so i'm talking out of my butt flaps. 09:38 < kuudes> yeah, it has hopefully a higher range for where it gives measurements; this means that some testlets will feel impossibly hard and some testlets boringly easy for some people. human cognitive range is large 09:38 < pasky> I suggest starting with the easier ones then :) 09:38 < kuudes> there are functional obstacles on doing that, I am afraid 09:38 < pasky> also the page was really slow to load sometimes (like ~5 seconds), not sure how much weight do you give to time taken 09:39 < kuudes> hmm. I wonder why it would be slow, I'll check. thanks for that info, it should not be 09:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:39 < pasky> kuudes: then i think your test is impractical 09:39 < pasky> because people need warmup and sustaining motivation to go through it 09:40 < kuudes> what sort of browser/isp configuration you have, it does not seem to behave slowly for my test run? 09:41 < pasky> chrome / upc.cz 09:42 < kuudes> hmm. I wonder if it would be related to the current/recent iot attack thing, not sure 09:42 < kuudes> it should not have but a simple handwritten javascript and svgs on client side 09:43 < kuudes> I guess I should test it through some foreign anonymizer to see if hosting isp has problems to abroad; I would presume it should not have, but one never knows 09:43 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:44 -!- jtimon [~quassel@211.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44 < pasky> actually I'm not 100% sure now it's not a connectivity problem on my side that started during the test, sorry! 09:46 < kuudes> it does not seem to show through kproxy at least 09:47 < kuudes> in any case, thank you for this information 09:48 < kuudes> I don't think I have much more to trouble the channel with, if it is useful for you, use it, etc. if you need something from me, I am at #mielik 09:48 < kuudes> thanks 09:48 -!- kuudes [~kuudes@62-183-155-109.bb.dnainternet.fi] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 09:53 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@LFbn-1-4220-37.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@LFbn-1-4220-37.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54 < kanzure> ah the relevant query is "beliefs about intelligence" apparently 09:58 < maaku> I was musing this morning that there should be an open source seed project, and indeed there is: http://osseeds.org/ 09:59 < maaku> But it doesn't look like they're doing any genetic engineering. 09:59 < maaku> There should be someone cleanroom engineering superior seeds to Monsanto et al 10:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01 < pasky> maaku & kanzure: are you still working on the speech reco project? any interesting news? :) 10:03 < maaku> yes still working on it, not sure there's anything 'interesting' to report 10:07 < kanzure> just plodding along, setting up various infrastructure pieces. 10:08 < kanzure> i expect a long grueling period of tweaking models and waiting for test results. 10:13 < kanzure> also trying to figure out how much custom code can be dumped into google cloud ml https://cloud.google.com/ml/docs/how-tos/preparing-models 10:16 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f20049575bdcf203678c.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 < fenn> the countdown timer on the IQ test attracts all of my attention 10:29 < fenn> no thanks 10:29 < fenn> too stressful 10:30 < chris_99> are iq tests normally timed? 10:31 < fenn> i don't know 10:31 < maaku> I wonder how much it would cost to cleanroom genetically engineer one suprior crop, something big like rice or corn 10:31 < maaku> That's probably something you could get a philantropy group to fund. 10:32 < maaku> Most of your costs would be patent lawyers though... 10:39 < kanzure> it woud be cheaper to do random mutagenesis and then harvest and then check for interesting strains 10:39 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40 < kanzure> i don't think we presently have easy ways to control leaf surface area or root cross-section diameter vs length stuff. 10:40 < fenn> i disagree. we know a lot about why crops fail and what could be changed to make them better 10:40 < fenn> random mutations are not going to give you sudden functional improvements 10:42 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 < kanzure> bruteforce sucks but it works. 10:43 < maaku> it is far too slow 10:44 < maaku> you're not going to catch up to, let alone surpass the intelligently designed seeds of Monsanto 10:44 < kanzure> they have like only one or two tweaks, who cares 10:44 < fenn> also for OSSI in particular, we have genomes from burbank potatoes and whatever patented crops people already like but can't use due to legal reasons, but probably only a couple genes are responsible for why they are the preferred strain vs other unpatented ones, and you can just copy that specific gene into your "open source" potato 10:44 < maaku> whaaa? I think that is a gross mischaracterization of the state of the industry 10:45 < fenn> because plant patents mostly happened way before genetic engineering 10:45 < maaku> GMOs have a lot more than "one or two tweaks" they are radically different 10:46 < fenn> i expect the people behind OSSI are radicalyl anti-GMO anyway 10:47 < fenn> because friggin everyone is 10:47 < pasky> maaku & kanzure: thanks for the update - wish you luck! will ping again in a month or so :) we were thinking about making a business experiment with voice-related stuff at ailao but we got discouraged with the lack of good datasets and having to deal with b2b marketing 10:47 < maaku> probably. i don't really care about GMO vs non-GMO.. i'm more anti-rent-seeking 10:47 < maaku> in my motivation 10:47 < maaku> Monsanto must die. 10:47 < fenn> "OSSI does not currently accept material containing transgenic (GMO) components for designation as an OSSI variety. Given the on-going societal conversation around both demonstrable and possible ecological effects, the close ties between GMO’s development and restrictive intellectual property arrangements, and the discomfort expressed within the OSSI community regarding transgenic plants, we do 10:47 < fenn> not feel that GMO material is currently appropriate for OSSI." 10:48 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f20049575bdcf203678c.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 < fenn> "the close ties between GMO’s development and restrictive intellectual property" is a particulary stupid argument for this particular project 10:49 < maaku> exactly... 10:49 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@222.106.62.81.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@LFbn-1-4220-37.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 < fenn> i wonder if there are any legal loopholes around the phrase "of extraterrestrial origin" that can be gamed by producing things on mars 10:55 < fenn> like an insurance fraud service that bombs your house with meteors 10:55 < fenn> or circumventing plant patents 10:58 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@LFbn-1-4220-37.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58 < maaku> i've always wanted to legally change my name to "God", so I could be responsible for Acts of God 11:01 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200089519d5326e0a43.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 < kanzure> somehow i would think there would be more expedient ways to commit insurance fraud 11:11 < fenn> no no i'm looking for excuses to go to mars 11:11 < kanzure> they need more? 11:13 < kanzure> got any evidence about "more than a few tweaks" 11:13 < kanzure> ? 11:18 < fenn> i thought it was just glyphosate resistance but my info is probably a couple decades out of date 11:19 < kanzure> are the roof gremlins still torturing you? 11:20 < fenn> no they finished yesterday 11:24 < fenn> why isn't it more common for elderly people to take neural growth factors? it seems worth it just for the novelty boost 11:24 < fenn> lion's mane for example 11:25 < fenn> there are a lot of people who just give up at life because all their friends have died of old age 11:25 < fenn> and that's a stupid reason to die 11:26 < kanzure> yes well, give them something to do instead, like endless oral history interrogation sessions or something 11:27 < kanzure> "exit interview" 11:27 < fenn> they're just humoring the youngsters at that point 11:27 < fenn> not really wanting to live 11:28 < fenn> hmm... " Acetyl L Carnitine, which multiplies the effect of NGF by 100" 11:28 < kanzure> motivation drug could work; although i think old folks probably get lost re: social roles and what to do with an abundance of time. 11:28 < fenn> yes and what i'm saying is they have stopped learning 11:29 < fenn> because they ran out of empty synapses 11:29 < fenn> so make some new synapses 11:30 < fenn> combined with a healthy dose of externally inflicted doubt in one's self image, they are almost guaranteed to become interested in something new and different 11:31 < kanzure> synapse depletion doesn't sound like a good reason to me; if anything, you would see lots of old people very actively engaging in things, and then forgetting everything regularly, but still continuing to make attempts. instead you see isolation and low energy low cognitive engagement. 11:31 < fenn> a large part of the challenge is getting people to believe they are actually still useful 11:32 * fenn ignores the impending robocalypse for the moment 11:33 < kanzure> in fact for synapse depletion to be the right answer then you would have to also claim that most daily human cognitive "executive function" is a property of having an abundance of available synapse for daily cognitive load stuff. 11:33 < kanzure> (which isn't any more strange or weird; in fact that part is probably less weird than the first claim you made.) 11:34 < fenn> when i took lion's mane i started getting interested in all sorts of things which were totally at odds with my self image 11:35 < kanzure> is there anything that blocks out infinite amounts of noise 11:35 < fenn> i dunno, piracetam helps with signal to noise ratio 11:35 < fenn> endogenous noise at least 11:36 < kanzure> i mean the concentration thing where you have to push everything out 11:36 < fenn> people claim modafinil helps with focus 11:41 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ljoikdxviwbsnfpa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 < nmz787_i> http://www.cs.ubc.ca/labs/isd/Projects/monosat/ 11:44 < nmz787_i> started working on a 3D autorouter for microfluidics using that.... worked with a simplistic encoding, but that won't scale, so working on using the graph awareness to my advantage 11:45 < kanzure> for routing just use vlsi routers 11:45 < nmz787_i> not as amenable to code changes I suppose 11:46 < nmz787_i> from what I remember, the best open router was freerouting, which was massively more complex than the program I've got so far (~300 lines) 11:55 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200089519d5326e0a43.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:44 -!- Qfwfq [~user@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@bryan.fairlystable.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:05 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@bryan.fairlystable.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:05 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - george church 14:05 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Wed May 20 12:46:25 2015] 14:05 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 14:05 [ _hanhart ] [ DKordic ] [ Jenda` ] [ poohbear ] 14:05 [ abetusk ] [ docl_ ] [ Joshchamp ] [ proofoflogic] 14:05 [ adlai ] [ Douhet ] [ jrayhawk_ ] [ redlegion ] 14:05 [ aedla ] [ dpk ] [ juri_ ] [ Regex__ ] 14:05 [ andytoshi ] [ drewbot ] [ juul ] [ rKAOS ] 14:05 [ archels_ ] [ Dumuzi ] [ kanzure ] [ saturn2 ] 14:05 [ ArvinJA_ ] [ duper ] [ lexik ] [ saurik_ ] 14:05 [ augur ] [ dustinm ] [ M4l3z ] [ sivoais ] 14:05 [ Aurelius_Home] [ EnabrinTain] [ maaku ] [ souljack_ ] 14:05 [ balrog ] [ ensign ] [ Madars ] [ strages ] 14:05 [ berndj ] [ espes ] [ Malvolio ] [ streety ] 14:05 [ bkero ] [ fenn ] [ mf1008 ] [ Stskeeps ] 14:05 [ blueskin ] [ FourFire ] [ midnightmagic] [ superkuh ] 14:05 [ BobaMa ] [ gnusha ] [ nanotube ] [ Taek ] 14:05 [ bsm117532 ] [ Guest16669 ] [ nickjohnson ] [ thundara_ ] 14:05 [ Burninate ] [ Gurkenglas ] [ night ] [ TMA ] 14:05 [ c0rw1n ] [ gwillen ] [ nmz787_ ] [ Urchin ] 14:05 [ catern ] [ helleshin ] [ nmz787_i ] [ vikraman ] 14:05 [ CheckDavid ] [ HEx1 ] [ nnnn20430 ] [ WizJin ] 14:05 [ chris_99 ] [ hylleddin ] [ nsh ] [ wrldpcmbl ] 14:05 [ Cory ] [ iaglium_ ] [ Orpheon ] [ ybit_ ] 14:05 [ crescendo ] [ indiebio ] [ pasky ] [ yoleaux ] 14:05 [ dbolser ] [ JayDugger ] [ pompolic ] [ zeysmo ] 14:05 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 92 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 92 normal] 14:05 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 14:05 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 8 secs 15:08 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:09 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-233-178.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-233-178.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 15:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:30 < superkuh> c2 wiki has fallen to modern web design sickness after the recent server problems. It has now removed all text and replaced it with javascript. 15:32 -!- jtimon [~quassel@211.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:47 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:04 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:10 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:21 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ljoikdxviwbsnfpa] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 16:24 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:24 < nsh> uugh 16:28 < kanzure> yea 16:30 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@2a01cb04023ce700d53f08b0bf6e604d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: juri_, drewbot, sivoais, proofoflogic, rKAOS, Regex__, fenn, Malvolio, JayDugger, Aurelius_Home, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Aurelius_Home, drewbot, juri_, fenn, Regex__, Malvolio, blueskin, sivoais, JayDugger, Dumuzi (+2 more) 17:13 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etketciabtwkxrjg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:19 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:20 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- mf1008_ [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- mf1008 [~mf1008@unaffiliated/mf1008] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:29 -!- mf1008_ is now known as mf1008 17:33 -!- jtimon [~quassel@211.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:50 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:51 -!- abetusk is now known as Guest78354 17:51 -!- Guest78354 is now known as abetusk 17:58 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- up_dn [~up_dn@2601:4a:c300:2676:6507:ba6f:f77d:7646] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:06 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09 -!- up_dn [~up_dn@2601:4a:c300:2676:6507:ba6f:f77d:7646] has quit [Quit: up_dn] 18:11 < kanzure> https://github.com/maxhodak/keras-molecules "We report a method to convert discrete representations of molecules to and from a multidimensional continuous representation. This generative model allows efficient search and optimization through open-ended spaces of chemical compounds." 18:11 < kanzure> yeah but if we had access to the organic transformation mechanism databases then we wouldn't need to do bruteforce stuff >:( 18:11 < kanzure> er i mean, bruteforce "learning" 18:26 < kanzure> https://hpluspedia.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500 18:35 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@2a01cb04023ce700d53f08b0bf6e604d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:38 -!- m4l3z_ [~m4l3z@2a01cb04023ce700d53f08b0bf6e604d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:41 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06 < kanzure> .wik esiniferatoxin 19:06 < kanzure> er.. 19:06 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, I couldn't find article. 19:06 < kanzure> .wik resiniferatoxin 19:06 < yoleaux> "Resiniferatoxin (RTX) is a naturally occurring chemical found in resin spurge (Euphorbia resinifera), a cactus-like plant commonly found in Morocco, and in Euphorbia poissonii found in northern Nigeria. 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