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04:06 < archels_> I have managed to write a list of (lists of varying lengths) to HDF5
04:06 < archels_> HDF5 is pretty great
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05:09 < juri_> nmz787_: what's the smallest feature size you need to accurately render on those parts? my test rig renders them just fine now.
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07:20 < kanzure> http://weuse.cash/2016/10/28/the-untrusted-setup/
07:26 < kanzure> https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/10/28/segwit-costs/
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07:51 < JayDugger> ^^ "certainly considering possible involvement of the Israeli government"?
07:52 < kanzure> libsnark probably
07:52 < kanzure> not sure
07:54 < JayDugger> Links to a forum post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1389890.0).
07:55 < kanzure> keep in mind that the paranoia runs deep in the cryptocurrency community; you might be going down a rabbit hole that you don't ultimately care about.
07:55 < JayDugger> That said, it seems less sound than the old story of the NSA's involvement with Bitcoin.
07:55 < JayDugger> Yeah, exactly the metaphor I had in mind.
07:56 < JayDugger> I haven't the attention to spare for zcash, or much else, so best of luck to all involved.
07:56 < JayDugger> And before I omit it, thank you for posting that link.
07:57 < kanzure> bunch of other things going on in bitcoin world:
07:57 < kanzure> https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/10/27/release-0.13.1/
07:57 < kanzure> https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/10/27/segwit-upgrade-guide/
07:57 < kanzure> https://bitcoincore.org/en/segwit_wallet_dev/
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14:39 < kanzure> hrm.
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14:54 < fenn> this hackernews thread about some anti-aging company is like a rehash of every anti-aging argument ever
14:55 < fenn> is there some summary of arugments and counter arguments so we can get on with our lives?
14:56 < fenn> once we've defeated aging we can argue about it
15:07 < kanzure> i think you have described every comment thread ever.
15:07 < fenn> why do cryonics companies use liquid nitrogen instead of electrical refrigeration?
15:08 < fenn> it seems a lot easier to ensure delivery of electricity than delivery of liquid nitrogen
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15:10 < fenn> i'm reading a lot of stuff about relatives having let bodies thaw out because they were "unhappy with the cost"
15:10 < fenn> surely running a refrigerator is not that expensive?
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15:20 < fenn> there shouldn't be any requirement for somebody to remember to periodically fill up the tanks
15:21 < fenn> it's great to have passive cooling when the power goes out, but not at the expense of the whole operation failing because someone forgot about it for a couple months
15:21 < fenn> surely some solar panels in the desert can provide enough power to keep a capsule at a reasonable temperature indefinitely
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16:09 < kanzure> sounds like you're volunteering to keep some bodies
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17:00 < kanzure> .title http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/early/2016/10/25/SP448.3.full.pdf+html
17:00 < yoleaux> Remarkable preservation of brain tissues in an Early Cretaceous iguanodontian dinosaur
17:03 < fenn> sure i wouldn't be opposed to the idea of storing a few hundred cryonics patients
17:04 < fenn> but this would be more of a middle of the desert thing, not some industrial building in silicon valley like apparently the cryonics people thought was reasonable in the early days
17:04 < fenn> why is there no cryonics vault in svalbard?
17:04 < kanzure> "It has become accepted in recent years that the fossil record can preserve labile tissues. We report here the highly detailed mineralization of soft tissues associated with a naturally occurring brain endocast of an iguanodontian dinosaur found in c. 133 Ma fluvial sediments of the Wealden at Bexhill, Sussex, UK. Moulding of the braincase wall and the mineral replacement of the adjacent brain tissues by phosphates and carbonates allowed ...
17:05 < kanzure> ... the direct examination of petrified brain tissues. Scanning electron microscopy (SEM) imaging and computed tomography (CT) scanning revealed preservation of the tough membranes (meninges) that enveloped and supported the brain proper. Collagen strands of the meningeal layers were preserved in collophane. The blood vessels, also preserved in collophane, were either lined by, or infilled with, microcrystalline siderite. The meninges ...
17:05 < kanzure> ... were preserved in the hindbrain region and exhibit structural similarities with those of living archosaurs. Greater definition of the forebrain (cerebrum) than the hindbrain (cerebellar and medullary regions) is consistent with the anatomical and implied behavioural complexity previously described in iguanodontian-grade ornithopods. However, we caution that the observed proximity of probable cortical layers to the braincase walls ...
17:05 < kanzure> ... probably resulted from the settling of brain tissues against the roof of the braincase after inversion of the skull during decay and burial."
17:06 < kanzure> maaku: ^
17:14 < fenn> i can't quite tell if this is satire or not: http://svalbardi.com/
17:15 < fenn> "This pristine ice, locked up for millennia and fresh as the day it fell as snow, is captured, melted and bottled during its brief few months of life before it melts away forever."
17:15 < fenn> tasty!
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17:22 < fenn> so apparently cryonics organizations still receive regular shipments of liquid nitrogen
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17:27 < maaku> !!
17:28 < maaku> "meninges" (new word for me) are not cell membranes though, so this is much higher resolution than synaptic connections, right?
17:29 < fenn> no
17:29 < fenn> meninges are a tissue layer composed of many cells
17:29 < maaku> fenn: yes, iirc alcor would like to have in-house production capability in designs for future storage facilities, but at present commercial LN2 providers are cheapest
17:30 < kanzure> no, you know about meninges. surely you've done a brain dissection of at least some mammal before. also surely you know about meningitis?
17:34 < kanzure> alright, that's it. mandatory dissections for everyone.
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17:36 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXGMDdJ06HQ&t=1m45s
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17:38 < maaku> heh :)
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17:48 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Lee_Loomis "President Roosevelt lauded the value of Loomis's work, describing him as being the civilian who was second perhaps only to Churchill, in facilitating the Allied victory in World War II."
17:48 < fenn> never heard of him...
17:51 < fenn> "Tuxedo Park: A Wall Street Tycoon and the Secret Palace of Science that Changed the Course of World War II"
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19:52 < kanzure> Taek: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12813626    surely you could at least admit you could make a more successful version of death other than *aging* geeze
19:53 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12811647
19:55 < kanzure> also it's not clear what "evolutionary success" really is. for example, some would say it's survival, or a multiplication of replicative elements by the amount of time in production (e.g. for DNA that's a few trillion trillion billion years by now).
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20:11 < kanzure> i wonder what the battery life is on this portable multi-line braille display https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12819896
20:17 < fenn> a few billion years
20:17 < fenn> probably about 12 billion years
20:31 < kanzure> time in production, though
20:32 < kanzure> it's at least 10^30
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21:16 < kanzure> "epistemically unjustifiable"
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21:22 < kanzure> more rowhammer things https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12821019
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