--- Log opened Sun Oct 30 00:00:35 2016 00:04 < fenn> the stanford neurogrid group is definitely going for more of a "simulate neurons in silicon" approach 00:04 < fenn> whereas i'm talking about "do artificial neural networks close to the metal" 00:15 -!- crCr62U0 [~crCr62U0@mm-134-97-215-37.mfilial.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:15 -!- crCr62U0 [~crCr62U0@mm-134-97-215-37.mfilial.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Client Quit] 00:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:4995:ac59:2008:6e90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:4995:ac59:2008:6e90] has quit [Changing host] 00:26 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:30 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-222-194.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:41 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:ec51:8066:aa31:e65d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:ec51:8066:aa31:e65d] has quit [Changing host] 00:46 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:52 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10 < fenn> i dont remember anyone mentioning "movidius myriad 2 vision processing unit" now available as a 2W USB stick called "fathom", for doing mobile neural network tasks: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/movidius-fathom-neural-compute-stick,31694.html 01:11 < fenn> 1.2 watt 01:11 -!- nildicit [~nildicit@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/nildicit] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 01:15 < fenn> eh, not available yet 01:27 < fenn> only if you ask them really nicely 01:32 -!- juri_ [~juri@192.94.73.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:37 -!- augur [~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:226:bbff:fe08:46ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- Orpheon [~Orpheon@213.200.193.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06 -!- souljack [souljack@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-recdqmzjlnwdesmu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:06 -!- souljack [~souljack@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-jveyfoxecgtcowub] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:09 -!- augur [~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:226:bbff:fe08:46ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-163-0-189.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-161-131-139.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:06 < kanzure> is that like "ask for price" 06:08 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22 < kanzure> https://breakingmalware.com/injection-techniques/atombombing-brand-new-code-injection-for-windows/ 06:22 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugtuznmgwftsjhvp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:36 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@p3152-ipad302sapodori.hokkaido.ocn.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:14 < wrldpc1> ping 08:14 < wrldpc1> attempting to track down BS 8611 from the British Standards Institute. 08:14 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15 < wrldpc1> .link http://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/about-bsi/media-centre/press-releases/2016/april/-Standard--highlighting-the-ethical-hazards-of-robots-is-published/ 08:15 < wrldpc1> hmm 08:43 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@81.4.122.176] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- juri_ [~juri@192.94.73.193] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- crCr62U0 [~crCr62U0@mm-134-97-215-37.mfilial.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@p3152-ipad302sapodori.hokkaido.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: wrldpc1] 09:58 < ybit_> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcRwGDKulw 09:59 < yoleaux> The Death Star Architect Speaks Out - YouTube 10:00 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lzdjivnwaqjpumwr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:22 < kanzure> http://wiki.c2.com/?CargoCultProgramming 10:22 < kanzure> "reviewer declares you did not construct your bamboo radar antenna to the correct shape" sounds like a real antenna problem to me 10:23 -!- crCr62U0 [~crCr62U0@mm-134-97-215-37.mfilial.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:24 < kanzure> weird, this page doesn't actually include the cargo cult stories. 10:24 * kanzure tries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming 10:25 < kanzure> "apparent solution (compare shotgun debugging, deep magic).[1]" 10:25 < kanzure> deepest magic 10:26 < kanzure> "The Jargon File makes a distinction[5] between deep magic, which refers to code based on esoteric theoretical knowledge, and black magic, which refers to code based on techniques that appear to work but which lack a theoretical explanation. It also defines heavy wizardry, which refers to code based on obscure or undocumented intricacies of particular hardware or software." 10:52 < kanzure> synthetic human genome project (hgp-write) draft timeline http://engineeringbiologycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/GP-Write_WhitePaper.pdf 10:55 < kanzure> huh there is a lot of content in there. hrm. 10:59 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:36 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:57 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:05 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 < kanzure> tweeter thread https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/792789514313953284 12:10 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugtuznmgwftsjhvp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:12 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 < kanzure> "An average of 11%-13.4% of cell-free DNA in maternal blood is of fetal origin, although this varies widely amongst patients.[3" 12:18 < kanzure> "cffDNA diminishes quickly after the birth of the baby, so that it is no longer detectable in the maternal blood approximately 2 hours after birth.[6]" 12:18 < kanzure> "cffDNA is significantly smaller than the maternal DNA in the bloodstream, with fragments approximately 200bp in size" 12:18 < kanzure> well that's useful. 12:18 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23 < kanzure> so they say they want a 1,000x reduction in dna synthesis cost, but 1,000x reduction only gets you from $40 million/bacterial genome to ... $40k/genome. that's still absurdly high. needs to be $0.01/genome or less. 12:24 < kanzure> at least a handful of other technologies have had 7 order of magnitude improvements so according to kurzweilian thinking, .... heh. 12:29 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:b41e:8e7:cd17:494d] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:b41e:8e7:cd17:494d] has quit [Changing host] 14:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41 < fenn> did ward cunningham do this stupid javasscript thing just to frustrate web scrapers? 14:41 < fenn> he was complaining about always being on the edge of his data cap, and network traffic was slow 14:44 < fenn> they dropped the "human" from genome project? 14:44 < fenn> but we've already written genomes 14:44 < fenn> just not a human genome 14:45 < kanzure> sbp was complaining about this today 14:45 < kanzure> 10:25 <+sbp> looks like here: var database = 'http://c2.com/wiki/remodel/pages/' 14:45 < kanzure> 10:26 <+sbp> and then a Google Analytics link right at the bottom just to cap it all off 14:46 < kanzure> 10:26 <+sbp> that's the cherry on the dog shit (ah, right!) right there 14:46 < kanzure> 10:27 <+kanzure> swhackians have 2700 words for dogshit and they al start with w3 14:46 < kanzure> 10:27 <+sbp> perhaps I can file an issue against https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling 14:46 < kanzure> 10:28 <+sbp> "entire redesign is dog shit. please fix" 14:46 < kanzure> 10:29 <+dpk> wiki.c2.com has been much verschlimmbessert in the last few weeks by the addition of JAVASCRIPT 14:46 < kanzure> 10:29 <+sbp> here's the explanation: "So why close? It gives me room to work. The continuous scraping bumps up against my web throttling making all other web services useless. Even shell is painfully slow." — http://c2.com/wiki/closed.html 14:46 < kanzure> 10:29 <+sbp> bots were hitting it too hard it appears 14:46 < kanzure> 10:29 <+sbp> 2016, the year bots ruined what was left of the web 14:46 < kanzure> 10:30 <+sbp> but, I mean, he could have just written a better server side application 14:46 < kanzure> 10:30 <+dpk> yeah, i think it was a perl CGI script 14:46 < kanzure> 10:30 <+dpk> so just run it under OpenBSD's slowcgi 14:46 < kanzure> 10:30 <+dpk> solv't 14:46 < kanzure> 10:31 <+sbp> also the pages could have been baked instead of fried 14:47 < kanzure> and: 14:47 < kanzure> 10:34 <+dpk> Cunningham has been on the JavaScript train for a while 14:47 < kanzure> 10:34 <+sbp> it's like seeing people you admired on the TV in the 1990s who were absolute stars tweet about what their dog just barfed up 15:07 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:08 -!- maaku 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This was their ancient prophetic vision of the end time. Consequently, they believed all the usual rules of society were obsolete. They put on their best clothes, slaughtered their 23:20 < fenn> pigs, engaged in orgiastic behavior, and just generally sat around the fire, drinking Kava, awaiting the end of the End or the new Beginning." 23:20 < fenn> certainly casts a new light on cargo cult mentality 23:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-233-178.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-101-180-233-178.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 23:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:32 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:c59f:f3c7:2f4:b09c] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1163:5800:c59f:f3c7:2f4:b09c] has quit [Changing host] 23:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:39 -!- Guest45141 [~abe@68.175.143.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:51 -!- Guest45141 [~abe@68.175.143.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon Oct 31 00:00:36 2016