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03:19 < TMA> newbie|2: my estimate is between 1e-6 and 1e-3; I think I am 90% sure
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04:02 < newbie|2> thanks, vicarion and TMA
04:02 < newbie|2> this channel needs more discussion
04:04 < kanzure> why
04:05 < kanzure> read the backlogs instead
04:08 < newbie|2> lol
04:08 < newbie|2> why there's a channel then?
04:09 < newbie|2> kanzure, you just hate seeng the purity of your irc client being tainted by logs?
04:09 < newbie|2> seeing*
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04:13 < kanzure> see http://gnusha.org/logs/
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04:44 < fenn> newbie|2: a common misunderstanding. there is no corner on an exponential curve, it just keeps going up
04:44 < fenn> there's no such thing as "percentage of progress towards singularity"
04:44 < newbie|2> let's discuss the nature of the singularity?
04:45 < newbie|2> yes, the curve will continue, but the point where nothing is foreseeable is certain
04:45 < newbie|2> the point where things get real mad
04:45 < fenn> that happened in 1969
04:45 < newbie|2> ahah
04:45 < newbie|2> your first acid trip?
04:46 < fenn> if "the singularity" happened already, how would you know?
04:47 < newbie|2> many singularities have happened on this planet... like the multicellular age, language on humans... I was refering to the tech one, as described by kurzweil
04:47 < fenn> when you're falling into a black hole, crossing the event horizon doesn't feel particularly special
04:47 < newbie|2> I'm just a poor dumb kurzweilian
04:47 < fenn> it was vernor vinge
04:47  * newbie|2 is even bumber
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04:50 < fenn> i wonder what happens when you get anton-babinski syndrome patients to paint or draw what they see  (a form of blindness where they don't know they're blind)
04:51 < kanzure> the guy likes kurzweil, let's ban him.
04:51 < kanzure> "let's discuss the nature of the singularity" no
04:52 < newbie|2> my bad, I knew I should go on with myeducation
04:52 < kanzure> yes i think you were already in here talking about medication
04:53 < fenn> that was someone else
04:53 < kanzure> damn
04:53 < newbie|2> I am the "endless paradise of asian sex" newbie
04:54 < kanzure> hard to keep all of you classified correctly
04:54 < newbie|2> gonna get into a nick
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04:55 < kanzure> there is no good reason to not force people to use pubkeys for names
04:55 < anachronick> I am always too lazy to get into my freenode nick
04:55 < anachronick> need to automate my login here in kvirc
04:55 < fenn> josh penn-pierson
04:56 < fenn> ta
04:56  * fenn goes to do some real work
05:07 < chris_99> I'm just wondering, i'm reading about zeolite, used as a molecular sieve, which adsorbs water etc, since i'm not a chemist, i'm just wondering how easy such things are to remove h2o from ethanol
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05:20 < chris_99> just doing some more reading, sounds like you can simply add them in a flask with the ethanol & water, and then re-use them by drying them out
05:25 < anachronick> sorry, I am virtually illeterate, can't help you
05:30 < TMA> chris_99: zeolite is usable even for oxygen-nitrogen separation from air
05:34 < chris_99> yeah, i think i just saw something about them being used in oxygen concentrators, how does that work out of interest
05:34 < kanzure> http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-security-model-deep-dive/
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05:46 < streety> I think the oxygen concentrators work by pressure swing adsorption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_swing_adsorption
05:47 < streety> here is a homemade device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWM3ZImmVWQ
05:48 < streety> the nitrogen was used for preparing liquid nitrogen
05:48 < chris_99> neat thanks! will take a look
05:52 < __mz_o> chris_99: just began to learn about zeolite molecular sieves as well. I'd found a good article that explains them well
05:52 < __mz_o> gime a sec and ill link it
05:52 < chris_99> thanks
05:53 < __mz_o> http://www.eltrex.pl/pdf/karty/adsorbenty/ENG-Introduction%20to%20Zeolite%20Molecular%20Sieves.pdf
05:53 < chris_99> streety, that video is awesome :)
05:53 < __mz_o> Was an easy find but i think it explained alot
05:53 < chris_99> thanks
05:54 < __mz_o> np brotha
05:57 < streety> yeah, sadly he hasn't posted many other videos. The liquid nitrogen generator is worth watching though. Uses regenerative cooling rather than a cryocooler
05:59 < chris_99> the tanks he's using in the first vid you linked with the bolts, look hardcore, they look like they could take a lot more than 100psi
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06:37 < kanzure> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoGFB6tsXI&t=18m30s
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06:59 < fenn> not quite a neural network:  http://blog.piekniewski.info/2016/11/04/predictive-vision-in-a-nutshell/
06:59 < kanzure> these diagrams should have an arrow specifically pointing to where the dark magic occurs
06:59 < kanzure> "Unsupervised Learning from Continuous Video in a Scalable Predictive Recurrent Network" https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.06854
07:05 < JayDugger> "these diagrams should have an arrow specifically pointing to where the dark magic occurs" Heh.
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07:46 < pasky> is convolution a "shady trick" now?
07:54 < kanzure> pasky: a lot of machine learning looks a lot like cargo culting to me
07:55 < kanzure> http://www.r2d3.us/visual-intro-to-machine-learning-part-1/
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13:35 < kanzure> if there are climate change deniers, then shouldn't they also be engaged in anti-terraforming machine engineeirng projects, to prevent terraformers?
13:35 < kanzure> if you are a climate change denialist, then i think you would also have to engage in supporting anti-terraforming machine development.
13:35 < kanzure> terraforming machine development and anti-terraforming machine development is almost precisely the same.
13:37 < kanzure> i suppose for the denialists the problem is that they already believe it's impossible, so why would they build a machine to ensure they are right?
14:01 < chris_99> http://spectrum.ieee.org/video/geek-life/tools-toys/this-water-jet-cutter-can-slice-through-anything-steel-glass-or-steak
14:01 < chris_99> aren't the pumps industrial cutters use really expensive
14:02 < chris_99> if so, how have they made it that cheap?
14:03 < kanzure> perhaps they don't include the pumps :D
14:04 < chris_99> haha quite possibly
14:51 < vicarion> you gotta get a straw, and blow the water in yourself using your mouth
14:53 < kanzure> not true
14:53 < kanzure> false, even
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15:00 < nmz787_w> I wonder what would happen if you ran CO2 into a pressure-washer instead of water
15:05 < chris_99> it'd come out as a gas though
15:05 < chris_99> wouldnt it
15:13 < nmz787_w> well I was wondering more if it would get up to the 1650PSI quoted for water
15:13 < nmz787_w> that is getting close to subcritical I think
15:13 < nmz787_w> (well that would actually depend on the temperature)
15:14 < nmz787_w> so if a cheap $100 ish pressure washer could pump food-grade soda gas into a pipe/chamber, up to max pressure (in the 1000s)... then maybe you could close a valve to seal the chamber, turn off the pump, then raise the chamber temperature, which would raise the pressure
15:14 < nmz787_w> going closer into subcritical, and maybe into supercritical
15:15 < chris_99> oh sorry gotcha
15:15 < nmz787_w> then you could just use the sprayer to spray onto a big hemispherical bowl or something, if you were extracting something from i.e. a bio-mass
15:15 < chris_99> i think my co2 tank is 800psi iirc
15:16 < nmz787_w> or if you were doing critical point drying, then you'd want to slowly bleed off the co2, I thikn
15:17 < nmz787_w> "More specifically, it behaves as a supercritical fluid above its critical temperature (304.25 K, 31.10 °C, 87.98 °F) and critical pressure (72.9 atm, 7.39 MPa, 1,071 psi), expanding to fill its container like a gas but with a density like that of a liquid."
15:17 < nmz787_w> so probably need a container that is safe up to 2000 PSI
15:18 < nmz787_w> my friend who built co2 extractors for re-refining used engine motor oil said you can just buy threaded pipe that is already rated
15:19 < chris_99> sorry i don't get you, i believe the tank i have has liquid co2 in, but only at around 800psi?
15:19 < nmz787_w> also, coming from Python-heavy development to being thrown into a codebase of C (or SystemC) and SystemVerilog is very challenging
15:20 < nmz787_w> chris_99: yeah, I am wondering if a pressure washer could take that and pump it up to 1650 PSI, which is was it advertised as for water
15:20 < chris_99> but how could you increase the pressure further
15:20 < chris_99> if it's a liquid
15:21 < chris_99> or am i being dumb
15:21 < nmz787_w> it's compressible
15:21 < chris_99> liquids arent though?
15:21 < nmz787_w> water is said to be incompressible
15:21 < nmz787_w> idk if that is all liquids
15:21 < nmz787_w> but supercritical CO2 is definitely a thing, and getting more common in consumer goods
15:21 < chris_99> i thought you wouldn't be able to compress co2 beyond a certain pressuree
15:21 < chris_99> isn't supercritical co2 just liquid co2
15:21 < nmz787_w> maybe you pressurise then heat up
15:21 < nmz787_w> bbl
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15:22 < chris_99> hmm maybe i was wrong about the pressure for it to be a liquid, wiki says '1,071 psi'
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15:57 < nmz787_w> bak
15:58 < nmz787_w> .tell chris_99 well there's a range of pressures https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Carbon_dioxide_pressure-temperature_phase_diagram.svg
15:58 < yoleaux> nmz787_w: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
16:03 < nmz787_w> .tell chris_99 compare to water, no super-critical phase and weird sharp vertical line (almost) at 0 Celsius https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Phase_diagram_of_water.svg
16:03 < yoleaux> nmz787_w: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
16:04 < nmz787_w> .tell chris_99 also while on that topic: http://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-just-discovered-a-second-state-of-liquid-water
16:04 < yoleaux> nmz787_w: I'll pass your message to chris_99.
16:04 < nmz787_w> .title
16:04 < yoleaux> Physicists just discovered a second state of liquid water - ScienceAlert
16:04 < nmz787_w> http://www.inderscienceonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1504/IJNT.2016.079670
16:04 < nmz787_w> (not open)
16:12 < nmz787_w> juri_: I began converting that escad into BRLCAD via my Python library... I think with someone who knows Python magic methods better than me, it seems possible to support the escad format for BRLCAD operations
16:13 < nmz787_w> juri_: mainly the API calls are a bit different in name, args-wise they need Z knowledge, as there is no extrude really (unless you start with a bitmap)... so supporting the syntax exactly might (probably) be incomplete
16:14 < nmz787_w> juri_: but converting things last night was pretty manual, when I recajigger the rotations, then I might have to think a bit more about what the intention originally was
16:39 < Solvaring> is 20mg sublingual noopept too high of a dose?
16:40 < Solvaring> 20mg is the dose for oral consumption
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18:27 < kanzure> various comments about waterjet cutters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12952329
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20:06 < juri_> nmz787_: thanks for keeping me posted. at .5, i'm 180 gigs into swap on top of 128 gigs of ram, and still going.
20:31 < maaku> Today I learned the Inferno movie was entirely stripped of its transhumanist plot. What a wasted opportunity.
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