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04:24 < archels> http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/12/in-landslide-vote-senate-boosts-bidens-moonshot-weakens-fda-drug-testing/
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04:48 < kanzure> same thing
04:48 < yoleaux> 05:10Z <nmz787_w> kanzure: is .to the new .tell ?
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08:06 < kanzure> greetz.jpg
08:07 < darsie> .
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11:00 < kanzure> doing bitcoin chats http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2016-12-09.log
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14:30 < kanzure> .title https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/5hda50/mclaren_report_more_than_1000_russian_athletes/
14:30 < yoleaux> McLaren report: More than 1000 Russian athletes implicated in state-sponsored doping : news
14:31 < kanzure> get the list, boys
14:41 < TinKode> is bitcoin mining any profitable nowadays?
14:41 < TinKode> or any virtual currency for that matter
14:47 < anachronick> ethereum
14:56 < kanzure> bitcoin mining is profitable at the moment, depending on how much hashrate you bring to the table
14:56 < kanzure> however, i've developed a way to re-enable cpu mining for bitcoin
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14:56 < kanzure> so far i have not seen that much interest-- so i have not implemented it yt
14:56 < kanzure> *yet
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14:56 < kanzure> i suppose i also haven't announced it, so that might be why i haven't seen much interest....
14:57 < jjjjjj> Hi, kanzure. What's happening? I only see your sentence.
14:58 < kanzure> nothing is happening, it's all an illusion
14:58 < kanzure> read the logs http://gnusha.org/logs/2016-12-09.log to see what's happening
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15:08 < streety> kanzure: I thought profitability depended more on the amount of energy consumed and the cost of that than the absolute hash rate. What am I getting wrong?
15:08 < streety> cpu mining would be a big change - how have you managed it?
15:11 < kanzure> streety: there's a buy vs. mine tradeoff based on exchange rate
15:11 < kanzure> s/exchange rate/market price
15:12 < kanzure> streety: as for cpu mining, it's a bit of a hack, but basically i have a scheme where, no matter what, everyone who participates in mining always gets rewarded with something and never nothing.   however, they earn fractional amounts of value, proportional to their hashrate.
15:17 < TinKode> and thats where the problem starts, hashrate requirements are increasingly getting more aggresive as we end up computing closer and closer to the chain end. and it does require more power to the point where you can say the amount of energy required is greater than the profit per computation.
15:18 < TinKode> and ultimately you depend on the pool in which you partecipate
15:19 < streety> If it is cheaper to buy on the market than mine that would certainly put a lower limit on it, that makes sense. If you had the hardware already and a free supply of energy would there be any reason not to mine beyond depreciation of the equipment though?
15:21 < abetusk> nmz787 ping
15:21 < kanzure> not sure what your question is re: "absolute hashrate"
15:21 < streety> I can see why there would be little interest in the cpu mining, what would the typical payout be for a high end CPU now? Fractions of a cent?
15:22 < kanzure> cpu mining in bitcoin, for now, returns zero.  there's a threshold minimum that can be transferred on the bitcoin network (dust limit, for one) (and also: the minimum value amount is 1 satoshi anyway)
15:23 < kanzure> you can hook up cpu mining to a pool, but you wont get shares probably, and even if you do, the "shares" are unspendable (although my scheme makes them spendable)
15:24 < TinKode> but still is there anyone who tried harvesting free solar energy for mining needs making any humble profits?
15:24 < kanzure> i wouldn't know.
15:29 < streety> I thought a highly efficient and moderately performing machine would be more profitable than an inefficient and highly performing machine. For some values of efficiency and performance
15:29 < streety> that's all I meant about the absolute hashrate
15:30 < TinKode> kanzure, you understand that? i still struggle tbh
15:44 < nmz787_w> abetusk: howdt
15:44 < nmz787_w> howdy
15:45 < abetusk> hey nmz787_w, There was something you wanted me to do at one point and it kind of fell off my radar.  Is that still a thing or have you moved on?
15:47 < nmz787_w> I think it was the idea of taking or extending the raster generation to produce a list of vectors from the work I did on producing the rasters that generated the animated GIFs here https://github.com/nmz787/python-brlcad-tcl
15:48 < nmz787_w> I think you basically said that once I converted from solid model to raster I lost a lot of context
15:49 < abetusk> right, it's the difference of using the original polygons to infer a nice piecewise linear path vs. using voxels (or pixels) to infer a nice piecewise linear path
15:49 < abetusk> possible but not as clean
15:52 < nmz787_w> I guess I could do something like, when I find a 'hit' after most recently finding a 'miss' (in terms of ray trace events interacting with the model)... send rays in the perpendicular plane/direction
15:53 < nmz787_w> some kind if model-based LIDAR
15:53 < nmz787_w> :/
15:54 < abetusk> There's no way to intersect a plane with the geometry to get a new geometry?
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15:54 < nmz787_w> yeah, that is the slicing event
15:54 < abetusk> I see
15:54 < nmz787_w> which I did pre-rasterization
15:55 < nmz787_w> i got a slice, then scanned over it in 2D with a ray, looking for hits and misses
15:55 < abetusk> oh wait
15:55 < abetusk> yeah, so use the slice to get 2d geometry...
15:55 < nmz787_w> so I thought finding straight lines in the raster could work
15:55 < nmz787_w> but I guess you get into needing to fit lines, since you could get quantization noise
15:56 < nmz787_w> well the slice is still technically 3D, but I look at it from above
15:56 < nmz787_w> so it is effectively 2D
15:56 < nmz787_w> if there was some overhang I wouldn't see it's 'shadow'
16:01 < abetusk> you can start fitting lines but it gets kind of messy, I think.  You have to worry about maximum error rate of the line to the underlying pixels, etc.  I think it's all fine and possible but you're going from a 3d geometric representation to a 2d geometric representation to a 2d pixel representation back to a 2d geometric representation.  If you can use the 2d geometric representation directly, that will probably work out better
16:02 < abetusk> alternatively, you can just do what one of those pcb to gcode converters does and send a separate gcode per pixel on the boundary.
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16:09 < nmz787_w> well a ray is a straight line
16:09 < nmz787_w> so thus my LIDAR emulation/simulation idea
16:09 < nmz787_w> i.e. start at an edge and shoot rays and triangulate or something to find line segments
16:10 < nmz787_w> in-plane
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17:21 < chris_99> nmz787_w, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM2_E2y4eCg - you might be interested in that
17:21 < chris_99> just watching now
17:21 < chris_99> .tilte
17:21 < chris_99> .title
17:21 < yoleaux> George Hotz Presents Comma Neo - YouTube
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17:31 < kanzure> .title http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38265676
17:31 < yoleaux> Japan tests innovative magnetic tether for slowing space junk - BBC News
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18:57 < kanzure> yashgaroth: hail sagan
18:57 < yashgaroth> da
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18:59 < kanzure> precisely
19:06 < kanzure> https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ "AWS Snowmobile is an Exabyte-scale data transfer service used to move extremely large amounts of data to AWS. You can transfer up to 100PB per Snowmobile, a 45-foot long ruggedized shipping container, pulled by a semi-trailer truck. Transferring data with Snowmobile is secure, fast and cost effective. Plus, it comes with its own paramilitary unit."
19:08 < kanzure> "designed to protect your data including dedicated security personnel, GPS tracking, alarm monitoring, 24/7 video surveillance, and an optional escort security vehicle while in transit"
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19:58 < kanzure> qerijqof80dfu832hr8qdhfqiiq
20:00 < jcorgan> challenge accepted
20:01 < kanzure> jcorgan: give me good sdr gift ideas?
20:03 < jcorgan> https://www.ettus.com/content/files/USRP_B200mini_Data_Sheet.pdf
20:06 < kanzure> preferably something that i can put on an amazon wishlist
20:11 < jcorgan> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Ocean-Digital-RTL2832U-Receiver/dp/B01LYQ8PPK
20:13 < kanzure> thank you much
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20:14 < jcorgan> It doesn't get any cheaper than that, and you can digitize 1-2 MHz of RF spectrum and play with it in GNU Radio
20:21 < jcorgan> there are better quality hardware versions of that dongle, if you want to pay the exhorbitant price of $22 instead of $9.
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21:40 < superkuh> The ones that heat sink the tuner are worth it.
21:40 < superkuh> Otherwise the PLL will not lock consistently above ~1500 MHz.
21:41 < superkuh> But that's pretty much the only significant reason to get a branded over generic.
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