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06:19 < chris_99> heh just after we were talking about that opendrop device, there seems to be a HaD article about it
06:20 < chris_99> looking at their photos it kind of looks like they might have used ENIG
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06:56 < kanzure> hrm.
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07:04 < kanzure> "TZAP: A telomere-associated protein involved in telomere length control" http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2017/01/11/science.aah6752
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07:10 < kanzure> an art https://imgur.com/gallery/RGDHqZM
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07:30 < kanzure> from diybio:
07:30 < kanzure> "A friend and I were talking about a simplified His-tag purification protocol for a peptide we'd like to produce and use, and I wanted to see what other people thought of it's feasibility.  Instead of applying the cell lysate to a nickel column, first add nickel powder ($5 on ebay) to the lysate in a tube and mix, once properly mixed then apply a strong magnet to the outside of the tube to att...
07:30 < kanzure> ...ract the nickel bound to the his-tag, pour off the excess lysate, lower the pH with an acid to elute the peptide from the nickel, and finally transfer to a new tube. Could this be feasible?"
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09:05 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13416363
09:05 < yoleaux> Monetize Your APIs in AWS Marketplace Using API Gateway | Hacker News
09:05 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13413487
09:05 < yoleaux> Keras will be added to core TensorFlow at Google | Hacker News
09:06 < kanzure> http://chainer.org/
09:06 < chris_99> that's cool wrt Keras, the std. tensorflow api seems very confusing at least to me
09:25 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13417307
09:25 < yoleaux> Opera 12.15 source code | Hacker News
09:25 < kanzure> 8cd9aeda16e82d5babc1070a0791f0ef2de6fad5
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09:48 < superkuh> Neat!
09:48 < superkuh> Ah. Already down.
09:48 < superkuh> Did you get a copy?
09:48 < superkuh> Oh. Mirrors.
09:48 < chris_99> theres a mirror on bitbucket i think
10:07 < kanzure> git clone https://bitbucket.org/prestocore-fan/presto.git
10:13  * superkuh nods.
10:31 < chris_99> i found something called an electropermanent magnet today, which sounds pretty useful
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10:36 < chris_99> with electrowetting, i wonder how easy it would be to also determine the position of the blobs, via resistance or something
10:38 < kanzure> use a camera
10:39 < chris_99> yeah that could work, but i was thinking you could do it without one
10:41 < kanzure> how many drops?
10:42 < chris_99> not sure.  i just found https://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.4015.pdf though
10:45 < kanzure> when i was looking into EWOD i wanted >10k drops, like 10k to 1M ish
10:45 < chris_99> ah, wow
10:46 < kanzure> chris_99: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Be2awFf0c&index=21&list=PL5AFDE0D7CCE51ACE
10:47 < kanzure> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C677yPYXWIs&index=18&list=PL5AFDE0D7CCE51ACE
10:47 < chris_99> the light is moving the droplet?!
10:48 < chris_99> oh "However, when light is shined on the system, carrier generation and recombination causes the conductivity of the photoconductor" v. interesting
10:49 < kanzure> similarly, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PeYwGDnt7I&index=22&list=PL5AFDE0D7CCE51ACE
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10:50 < chris_99> wow
10:51 < chris_99> that's really clever
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11:31 < chris_99> kanzure, you know with the opendrop prototype you linked to, would i be right in thinking it relies on the drop slightly touching >1 electrode, so like one electrode might be +  and all others gnd or vice versa
11:32 < kanzure> dunno
11:32 < chris_99> i'm just thinking there must be a flow of electrons for the electrowetting to work
11:33 < chris_99> maybe i'm misunderstanding something
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13:15 < chris_99> just saw http://www.gaudi.ch/OpenDrop/?p=162
13:15 < chris_99> .t
13:15 < yoleaux> Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:15:28 UTC
13:15 < chris_99> (detecting droplet position)
13:16 < kanzure> .title
13:16 < yoleaux> Feedback Amplifier - OpenDrop
13:17 < chris_99> ah heh
13:18 < chris_99> also http://microfluidics.utoronto.ca/dropbot/ looks interesting
13:19 < chris_99> i was thinking a webcam would be useful for determining different coloured drops etc.
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13:45 < GerdBird98> @search
13:45 < GerdBird98> hey guys
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14:16 < kanzure> .title https://lists.launchpad.net/mimblewimble/msg00022.html
14:16 < yoleaux> Hash preimages, ZKCPs, atomic swaps and HTLC's : Mailing list archive : mimblewimble team in Launchpad
14:21 < chris_99> has anyone heard of/read - https://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Quantum-Physics-through-Projects/dp/1118140664 ?
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15:00 < kanzure> .wik merchant submarine
15:00 < yoleaux> "A merchant submarine is a type of submarine intended for trade, and being without armaments, it is not considered a warship like most other types of submarines. The intended use would be blockade running, or to dive under Arctic ice." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_submarine
15:01 < superkuh> Bitbucket has been taken down but someone made a torrent/magnet of opera12v15presto.tar.gz, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:C34ZPHM4A27XDGR5QYMZHPIBNYJ5A6EAC34ZPHM4A27XDGR5QYMZHPIBNYJ5A6EA
15:06 < superkuh> Only ~4 seeds so far. It could really use some more.
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16:49 < andytoshi> "oh, hey, I should post that mimblewimble thing on reddit that i wrote 2.5 hours ago"
16:49 < andytoshi> "...looks like kanzure did it 2 hours ago"
16:49 < kanzure> time travel, yo
16:51 < andytoshi> hehehe. thanks!
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18:34 < kanzure> blort
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18:52 < docl> https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/5ocxj9/rcollapse_vs_rfuturology_debate_does_human/
18:53 < kanzure> pfft, that's practically clickbait for eleitl
18:53 < kanzure> oh it seems you guys figured that out already, well done.
18:54 < docl> yup
18:55 < docl> I also roped him and Eder into a not-a-debate in my tiny subreddit r/replicatingrobots
18:55 < kanzure> ahaha "The only way to address the above is molecular manufacturing, which we failed to develop in the 1980s and 1990s. Now we're out of time and cash and talent for R&D"
18:55 < kanzure> when did he get to be such a huge pessimist, damn.
18:55 < docl> I know, right?
18:55 < kanzure> all that diamond-only propaganda must really rot the brain
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19:11 < docl> pessimism is common among cryonics people for some reason
19:13 < docl> as is curmudgeonliness
19:14 < docl> I guess there's a selection factor where if you are a true optimist you think you don't need cryonics because curing aging or uploading your brain to hypernet is just around the corner.
19:15 < kanzure> no, think of it from their perspective, they wasted the last 20 years on bullshit instead of acquiring skills or whatever
19:16 < kanzure> great reason to be salty
19:16 < docl> point
19:16 < kanzure> instead of biology they were thinking about diamonds and tooltips --- meanwhile ribosomes and polymerases were exploding in popularity in labs that they, i guess, never visited
19:17 < kanzure> biology is a really really overlooked route for molecular nanotechnology
19:18 < kanzure> and as for cryonics i dunno what to say.  not enough experimentalists...?
19:20 < kanzure> the other weird thing about the older transhumanists is that they did eventually get the ear of billionaires (like peter thiel) but i guess they had nothing interesting to say-- no plans.
19:21 < docl> that DOE strawman video you posted the other day was pretty cool
19:21 < docl> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD0F780x7PM
19:21 < yoleaux> Proposal for Atomically Precise Manufacturing by the US Department of Energy - YouTube
19:22 < kanzure> you remember the nanorex video?
19:22 < kanzure> docl: there was a nanorex video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEYN18d7gHg
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19:25 < docl> yeah I remember it
19:26 < kanzure> apparently xentrac has left irc because he hates me or something
19:27 < kanzure> i need to send a box of chocolates to argentina
19:27 < kanzure> i think he's working on a sand/ceramics replicator
19:30 < docl> gah, I really need to catch up on the logs
19:31 < kanzure> i want to pay someone to write log summaries and extract useful bookmarks
19:32 < kanzure> it's probably still less than 6 months of work at this point
19:32 < kanzure> content can be added to the wiki from this read-through
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19:35 < docl> going on 9 years worth, nice
19:36 < kanzure> has it been that long?
19:37 < kanzure> hplusroadmap things were happening in 2007 so.... yes.   shit.
19:38 < docl> to process them all in 6 months would be 18 logs per day
19:38 < kanzure> there's a lot of join/disconnect spam
19:38 < docl> er, a bit longer if you only work 5 days a week
19:39 < docl> yeah
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19:40 < kanzure> 13077755 words total, 11259257 without "has joined" and "has quit" lines
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19:41 < kanzure> so about 10x the the HPMOR word count
19:49 < kanzure> apollo mission throttle control software anecdote https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13422882
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19:56 < docl> I wonder if anyone has had the idea to make a tiny telerobotic factory in a box and rent it out over the internet. You could make thousands of them and stack them in a warehouse.
19:57 < kanzure> docl: maaku was one of the early employees for transcriptic.com
19:59 < docl> neat
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20:19 < docl> I wonder if you could make smaller cells with smaller robots in them, and people (gamers?) figure out how to self replicate their contents.
20:19 < docl> I'm thinking somewhere in the range of a cubic meter or smaller
20:20 < kanzure> self-replication seems to be mostly a knowledge problem, not a procedural stepwise problem
20:21 < kanzure> for example, if you gave gamers a simulation, you need to encode into the simulation all of the actual materials and laws otherwise they would cheat
20:21 < kanzure> but if you already know all the laws, you can just query over the set of known manufacturing processes and find the closed loops
20:22 < kanzure> also there's a lot of identity problems re: vitamins... what gets to be a vitamin and is it alright that adrian bowyer lied to everyone when he said the reprap was a self-replicator?
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20:22 < docl> yeah that's true
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20:23 < docl> you could have an ecosystem of different semi-replicators that feed off of each other's vitamins maybe
20:23 < kanzure> cubespawn was an alright idea but nobody developed any designs for the framework
20:24 < kanzure> fenn: tag in at any time...
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20:27 < docl> I hadn't heard of cubespawn, neat
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20:28 < kanzure> it's in the backlog :P
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20:30 < docl> How difficult would it be to make vacuum cubes within which to experiment on stuff intended for space?
20:34 < docl> would be cool if you could tap into the fandoms for games like minecraft and factorio. make a real life version of such a game.
20:35 < kanzure> paul fernhout and eric hunting have written extensively on that topic
20:35 < kanzure> over here, https://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing
20:35 < kanzure> they noticed some parallels between model train building communities and open source space tech enthusiasts
20:35 < kanzure> particularly through the robotics communities... etc.
20:36 < kanzure> on an unrelated note, why does huperzine a cause hiccups?
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21:18 < docl> I wonder if an LED monitor could be adapted into a phased array laser.
21:20 < docl> probably not, since leds aren't coherent
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21:22 < docl> but maybe the leds in some monitors are somewhat coherent or something like that?
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21:45 < docl> .title http://amasci.com/miscon/coherenc.html
21:45 < yoleaux> WHAT IS COHERENCE? Lasers and coherent light
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