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01:14 < docl> kanzure: maybe all the really cool tech *was* inspired by propaganda. apollo happened in a post-war era, after all.
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05:11 < kanzure> ehh... isn't apollo just "throw lots of money at a problem"?
05:17 < TMA> propaganda has selected the problem _and_ justified throwing money at it
05:21 < TMA> the crusades, the reconquista, the holocaust, ... a problem is selected and resources are activated by propaganda
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05:44 < cluckj> TMA it does it simultaneously
05:44 < cluckj> the solution to the identified problem is usually packed in there
05:45 < kanzure> i hate all of you
05:45 < kanzure> i don't want to live in a world where things happen only because propaganda; that's terrible.
05:46 < cluckj> I think we have different ideas of what propaganda is
05:46 < TMA> kanzure: easy to fix. just get rid of the pesky humans
05:46 < cluckj> ^
05:48 < kanzure> fuck off
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05:54 < cluckj> k, cya
05:58 < bluebear_> kanzure: well, I believe that TMA has quite wide definition of what is propaganda; some of that could probably be equally well pronounced "motivation" or "determination"
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06:33 < sachy> bluebear_: the "determination" itself is a victim of propaganda, humans can only terminate someone (and thowing money to see if de- is even possible)
06:38 < bluebear_> omg; all the pessimistic hackers from the whole Prague are here! :-)
06:40 < __mz_o> why do you say from prague?
06:40 < bluebear_> Ok, guys, please, whoever is from Czech rep., tell us :-)
06:40  * bluebear_ is
06:40 < bluebear_> (just to see if this is just a minor outbreak or full-scale Czechization :-) )
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06:41 < bluebear_> __mz_o: because, as everyone knows, Czech republic is basically Prague and the rest is wilderness full of wolves, bears and rednecks :-)
06:42 < __mz_o> what made all the czechs leave :P
06:42 < bluebear_> so, if there were someone from CZ and not from Prague there is a good chance he/she is a wolf or a bear so might be interesting :-)
06:42 < __mz_o> *i made
06:42 < __mz_o> i like your reasoning
06:42 < bluebear_> __mz_o: it always had been that way since fall of Rome :-)
06:44 < __mz_o> what brings you hear?
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06:46 < sachy> bluebear_: All ways come to prague, but some people are going bad direction
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06:47 < kanzure> also pasky and sanky
06:47 < sachy> anyway, lets vote about ##brmroadmap :)
06:48 < TMA> bluebear_: almost, but not quite; propaganda comprises of (1) a means of inoculation of motivation or determination into another person or persons, (2) use of the said means against said person or persons
06:49 < bluebear_> kanzure: yup :-)
06:50 < bluebear_> TMA: exactly; the point (2) is not always present
06:54 < bluebear_> in which case, I would use a more neutral term like "motivation" because it can be completely innocuous
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06:59 < kanzure> you guys are so boring
07:00 < __mz_o> are you saying to break out da crack?
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07:55 < docl> break out the self replicating machine schematics
07:55 < docl> programmable polymerase includes, of course
07:57 < bluebear_> ah, if we only had this, it would be so much fun...
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08:57 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13443824
08:57 < yoleaux> Timeline: Organisms that have had their genomes sequenced | Hacker News
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11:03 < kanzure> .wik dopamine transporter
11:03 < yoleaux> "The dopamine transporter (also dopamine active transporter, DAT, SLC6A3) is a membrane-spanning protein that pumps the neurotransmitter dopamine out of the synapse back into cytosol, from which other transporters sequester DA and NE into vesicles for storage and later release. Dopamine reuptake via DAT provides the primary mechanism  ..." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_transporter
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11:57 < kanzure> blooooop
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14:18 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO6KDac8g_E
14:18 < yoleaux> Liz Parrish - Bioviva - Ending Ageing through Gene Therapy - YouTube
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14:38 < delinquentme> size exclusion chromatography is sex
14:39 < delinquentme> kanzure, do we have someone friendly to the cause who can make complex MEMS
14:39 < kanzure> how complex
14:39 < delinquentme> erm. sorry complex is inll defined.  I need something that will make microbeads with 100 -1000 heads
14:39 < kanzure> what is complexity
14:39 < kanzure> who am i?
14:39 < kanzure> well we have someone that can break into FEI
14:39 < kanzure> they might also let him into through the front door, but breaking in is way more cool
14:42 < delinquentme> what is FEI?
14:42 < delinquentme> should I know this?
14:43 < kanzure> electron microscopy manufacturing place
14:44 < kanzure> a lot of community colleges will have mems labs using two-generations-ago equipment
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15:53 < kanzure> prostheses again:
15:53 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Facilitation%20and%20restoration%20of%20cognitive%20function%20in%20primate%20prefrontal%20cortex%20by%20a%20neuroprosthesis%20that%20utilizes%20minicolumn-specific%20neural%20firing.pdf
15:53 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/memory/Facilitation%20of%20memory%20encoding%20in%20primate%20hippocampus%20by%20a%20neuroprosthesis%20that%20promotes%20task-specific%20neural%20firing%20-%202013.pdf
15:53 < kanzure> (berger stuff)
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17:38 < nmz787_w> if I have a linux machine, and some program "foo" calls a program  "bar"... but I need extra stuff to be passed to "bar"... but "foo" is such horrible code that you can't possibly append that extra stuff to all the places "bar" is called.... can I somehow make an alias to "bar" that will always jam my extra stuff in?
17:38 < nmz787_w> i can't overwrite "bar" with some shim script/layer
17:42 < nmz787_w> I guess I'd want some kind of wireshark-for-shells... where anytime the shell or any children of it call "bar"  i append my stuff then call it
17:42 < fenn> it sounds like you should use 'alias'
17:44 < fenn> alias bar='bar stuff'
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17:57 < nmz787_w> fenn: hmm, I wonder if there's a way to ensure the stuff comes at the end of anything this program wants to add itself i.e. "bar theircrap mystuff"
17:58 < nmz787_w> being at the front might work too
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19:14 < kanzure> bloop
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19:53 < kanzure> "can't overwrite" well, update $PATH to check a special location before other locations, put your shim in the other location, and call the absolute path of the original tool.
19:53 < kanzure> *in the special location
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