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PubMed - NCBI 02:45 < archels> (there's videos) 02:47 * adlai sends kanzure a PR 02:48 < adlai> your one-line-per-paragraph format makes it rather tricky to see what exactly was changed 03:14 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:20 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:29 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:38 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has quit [Changing host] 03:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:44 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:53 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:11 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 04:20 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:21 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:22 -!- Pasha [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- Pasha is now known as Cory 04:37 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:40 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:40 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has quit [Changing host] 04:40 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:45 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:51 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:57 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7b9b3357 Adlai Chandrasekhar: fix wild/Weil typo, add link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/simons-institute/pairing-cryptography/ 04:57 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c5112c4d Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #8 from adlai/master >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ 04:57 < kanzure> adlai: thanks 05:04 -!- thxffo [smdikus@ircbouncehouse.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:13 < kanzure> "Activity-dependent spatially localized miRNA maturation in neuronal dendrites" http://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6325/634 https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-02-witnessing-birth-tiny-rna-brain.html https://twitter.com/medical_xpress/status/831091426993774592 05:20 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iqywxnymqjmamdes] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:21 -!- Solgriffin [~Sol@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:22 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:25 < kanzure> "Fast 3D Imaging of Spine, Dendritic, and Neuronal Assemblies in Behaving Animals" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5167293/ 05:26 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:26 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28 < kanzure> hrm no pdf link there. 05:28 < kanzure> http://www.cell.com/neuron/pdf/S0896-6273%2816%2930703-6.pdf 05:30 -!- crescend1 [~mozart@173.203.100.20] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:32 -!- crescendo [~mozart@unaffiliated/crescendo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32 < kanzure> "Understanding neural computation requires methods such as 3D acousto-optical (AO) scanning that can simultaneously read out neural activity on both the somatic and dendritic scales. AO point scanning can increase measurement speed and signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) by several orders of magnitude, but high optical resolution requires long point-to-point switching time, which limits imaging capabi... 05:32 < kanzure> ...lity. Here we present a novel technology, 3D DRIFT AO scanning, which can extend each scanning point to small 3D lines, surfaces, or volume elements for flexible and fast imaging of complex structures simultaneously in multiple locations. Our method was demonstrated by fast 3D recording of over 150 dendritic spines with 3D lines, over 100 somata with squares and cubes, or multiple spiny dendri... 05:32 < kanzure> ...tic segments with surface and volume elements, including in behaving animals. Finally, a 4-fold improvement in total excitation efficiency resulted in about 500 x 500 x 650 ?m scanning volume with genetically encoded calcium indicators (GECIs)." 05:35 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:37 < kanzure> "Communication between viruses guides lysis-lysogeny decisions" http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v541/n7638/full/nature21049.html 05:37 < kanzure> aka some peptides that phages use to communicate with each other 05:39 < kanzure> "A journey into the brain: insight into how bacterial pathogens cross blood-brain barriers" http://www.nature.com/nrmicro/journal/v15/n3/abs/nrmicro.2016.178.html 05:39 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:44 < kanzure> "Flexible near-field wireless optoelectronics as subdermal implants for broad applications in optogenetics" http://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273%2816%2931004-2 05:51 < kanzure> "Stepwise reprogramming of liver cells to a pancreas progenitor state by the transcriptional regulator Tgif2" http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14127 05:51 < kanzure> cc cluckj 06:01 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:03 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:14 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:c419:f82c:b9bb:9b29] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:33 -!- jtimon [~quassel@245.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 < cluckj> cool 06:35 < cluckj> iirc there are already some therapies in clinical trial that put pancreatic islet cells into human livers 06:46 < kanzure> "Man/machine interface based on the discharge timings of spinal motor neurons after targeted muscle reinnervation" http://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-016-0025 06:46 < kanzure> not sure what's going on there 06:48 < kanzure> "Two-step enhanced cancer immunotherapy with engineered Salmonella typhimurium secreting heterologous flagellin" http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/9/376/eaak9537 07:05 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 07:42 -!- Gurkenglas__ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:47 < bluebear_> kanzure: extremely interesting, thanks! :-) 07:50 < kanzure> hi what 07:50 < bluebear_> kanzure: more or less all links you posted in last 2 hours :-) 08:19 -!- Gurkenglas__ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:25 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:34 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:50 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:56 -!- thxffo [smdikus@ircbouncehouse.com] has quit [Quit: piece] 08:59 -!- nmz787_w [~ntmccork@134.134.139.82] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:13 -!- nmz787_w [~ntmccork@134.134.139.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- thxffo [smdikus@ircbouncehouse.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@47.185.237.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:37 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 09:52 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:56 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 09:58 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:00 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has quit [Client Quit] 10:03 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 10:14 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:15 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has quit [Client Quit] 10:17 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:21 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@95-42-17-62.ip.btc-net.bg] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 10:50 -!- sandeepkr [~Sandeepkr@103.49.155.114] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:13 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 < kanzure> hm https://github.com/bramcohen/MerkleSet/commit/eda28ad6e672d0412e74c2a0a92719b4cfe624be 11:16 < kanzure> .title https://github.com/fchollet/keras/issues/5090 11:16 < yoleaux> Different results from max pooling layer when using theano and tensorflow ? Issue #5090 ? fchollet/keras ? GitHub 11:22 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:24 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@47.185.237.246] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:26 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:30 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:47 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:52 -!- nmz787_w [~ntmccork@134.134.139.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 < sumie-dh> 2/win18 12:20 -!- nmz787_w [~ntmccork@134.134.139.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 < nmz787_w> seeing an opentrons ad on some Japanese blog site 12:24 < kanzure> the ads are targeted based on your browser 12:48 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51 < chris_99> nmz787_w, you ever used a fully differential amplifier per chance? 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13:38 < nmz787_w> yeah 13:39 < nmz787_w> kanzure: that video inducing nightmares must be in the context of steampunk people or something 13:39 < kanzure> that was ybit not me 13:40 < nmz787_w> actually wasn't it heath? 13:40 < kanzure> heath was ybit 13:40 < chris_99> ah cool, i'm just looking at http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/ths4521idgkt/very-low-power-r-r-fully-diff/dp/1755708 i'm thinking of using it with an ADC, to provide amplified differential input to one, what did you use them for? 13:41 < nmz787_w> I think it was in context of trying to build an xray detector based on a PIN photodiode... and needing lots of high SNR amplification 13:41 < chris_99> ahh neat 13:42 < nmz787_w> I mostly just played with some cheap op-amps and was injecting stimulus and watching the output on my o-scope 13:43 < nmz787_w> these horses look really really dumb: https://www.facebook.com/BillyGoBoy/videos/985015321621564/ 13:45 -!- _Sol_ is now known as Solgriffin 13:47 < kanzure> fenn: i had no idea that chris rasch coauthored a paper with eleitl 14:11 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has quit [Changing host] 14:11 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:40 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06 -!- genehacker [chatzilla@128-193-154-6.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:06 < genehacker> http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2016.305.html\ 15:06 < genehacker> http://www.nature.com/news/elusive-triangulene-created-by-moving-atoms-one-at-a-time-1.21462 15:07 < kanzure> genehacker: thanks 15:07 < genehacker> baby steps towards atomically precise manufacturing 15:07 < kanzure> "Synthesis and characterization of triangulene" 15:07 < kanzure> "The tip of a combined scanning tunnelling and atomic force microscope (STM/AFM) was used to dehydrogenate precursor molecules." 15:12 < genehacker> they've made something that has yet to be made with solution chemistry 15:21 < kanzure> cool. 15:22 < kanzure> genehacker: what else is up 15:22 < genehacker> not much 15:22 < genehacker> trying to do monte-carlo tree search on the space of molecules 15:23 < kanzure> any problems? 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15:44 < nmz787_w> I have held off on saying more on the recent diybio thread... cause maybe he's travelling or busy or something 15:45 < kanzure> yes it's trolly 15:45 < kanzure> even if he isn't a troll himself 15:45 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@109.144.210.206] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@109.144.210.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:55 < cluckj> I've held off saying anything in that thread 15:56 < kanzure> good 15:56 < cluckj> yes 15:57 -!- gk`_^1wm`_^ [~su@2a03:4a80:3:420:420:f194:57f5:1376] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:57 -!- gk`_^1wm`_^ [~su@2a03:4a80:3:420:420:f194:57f5:1376] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 15:59 < cluckj> I haven't seen any evidence of it in the US, but that doesn't mean anything 15:59 < cluckj> I checked with some other researchers in the EU and they haven't seen anything 16:02 < genehacker> it is hard finding an equivalent test problem 16:03 < genehacker> I am running a simpler molecule test problem though 16:03 < genehacker> MD run time isn't too bad 16:04 < kanzure> ah. 16:21 < kanzure> fenn: rasch/eleitl paper was "Vitrification enhancement by synthetic ice blocking agents" (1999) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0011224000922430 16:25 < kanzure> genehacker: some hypertelescope stuff "Self-deployed extremely large low mass space structures" http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/library/meetings/fellows/mar07/1314Crowe.pdf 16:25 < kanzure> (2007) 16:29 < nmz787_w> cluckj: I was thinking that he in fact might be trying to start this meme... 16:29 < nmz787_w> cluckj: meaning he himself is the hijacker 16:45 < superkuh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsCgcyq7GN8 - The new GITS trailer confirms they went and ruined it with a crappy "victim complex"/robocop storyline. 16:46 < kanzure> maybe there will be a fan cut later 16:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-205-194-221.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-23-22-29-119.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- nmz787_w1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 < streety> on the subject of large and light space structures has anyone seen http://www.nature.com/news/what-it-would-take-to-reach-the-stars-1.21402 17:10 < streety> not very large, but certainly light for what they want to do 17:12 -!- nmz787_w [~ntmccork@134.134.139.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 -!- nmz787_w1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15 < superkuh> I've wondered how they plan on receiving the signal sent back by such a device. 17:28 -!- genehacker [chatzilla@128-193-154-6.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:30 < streety> "Starshot leaders acknowledge that they are counting on breakthroughs from the laser industry." ? 17:30 < streety> does seem unlikely that a <1 g nuclear battery will be able to power much of a return signal 17:43 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-50-137-45-249.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:39 < cluckj> nmz787, lol really? 18:40 < cluckj> it sounded like he was just worried unnecessarily 18:46 -!- nmz787_w [~ntmccork@134.134.139.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 < fenn> huh i knew chris rasch was into cryonics but i didn't realize he actually did research 18:52 < kanzure> didn't you live with the guy 18:52 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:53 < fenn> yes for a short while 18:53 < fenn> we had a little warehouse next door to hacker dojo 18:56 < kanzure> meetlog is theoretically supposed to prevent situations like this 18:56 < kanzure> maybe i should turn it into a game of 20 questions to identify mutual interests 18:56 < kanzure> and then i can proactively inflict this as a weapon on everyone i know in n**2 rounds 18:57 < kanzure> also this would have prevented the robert mcintyre disaster 19:00 < fenn> "disaster" 19:00 < kanzure> i talked with him about pokemon in 2012 instead of cryonics and vitrification 19:00 < heath> today i found out a friend of ours from this channel was born and raised in a labor camp 19:01 < fenn> what is a labor camp? 19:01 < heath> prison camp 19:01 < kanzure> and then actually talked with him december 2015 about relevant things 19:01 < kanzure> if it's the korean, he's just lying to you to get money 19:01 < kanzure> long-term stalker yo 19:01 < heath> it's not 19:04 < kanzure> old name 19:04 < kanzure> haven't heard that name in a long time 19:07 < kanzure> i think greg proposed some sort of "20 questions" game 19:07 < kanzure> based on previous tags from my data set 19:07 < fenn> anti-pigeonholing protocol 19:08 < kanzure> if i am okay with the selection bias from the following proposal, i could have it a self-fill webform that folks could voluntarily fill out :P 19:09 < fenn> ideally we'd all have compatible microformat interests and preferences listed on our home pages 19:09 < kanzure> actually i never really processed my notes from that conversation... 19:10 < cluckj> hah 19:10 < kanzure> "meetlog for having someone having a perfect knowledge; so decompose it into an orthogonal basis of collected knowledge. which topics synergize well in multiple people. wave mechanics and non-linear resonators at the same time." 19:11 < fenn> i think it would take me some number of years just to get a complete list of interests written down 19:11 < kanzure> .title https://www.vahala.caltech.edu/Research/Nonlinear 19:11 < yoleaux> Nonlinear Resonators: Introduction - Caltech Vahala Research Group 19:11 < kanzure> the problem with vague broad tags is that it hides all the relevant things 19:11 < kanzure> "biology" is meaningless but it's super helpful to tell someone about induced pluripotency 19:12 < fenn> you heartless robot how can you say biology is meaningless 19:12 < kanzure> now what is a non-linear resonator and why did it come up in conversation with greg 19:13 < fenn> it's a vague and broad label 19:13 < kanzure> he also gets excited about phased-lock loops 19:13 < kanzure> *phase-locked loops 19:14 -!- MMMalign [51e988cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.233.136.203] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 < kanzure> yeah i am not finding anything about nonlinear resonators on google 19:15 < fenn> i imagine it's something like a laser with frequency doubling 19:15 < kanzure> "if we both know the exact same things, there's no purpose to communicate. you want a graph structure that has good fan out properties and people can have base pieces of knowledge, and they overlap with other people who they talk to, who have common pieces and different pieces, and the graph rapidly fans out and mixes with only a few hops. expander graph." 19:16 < kanzure> "20 questions intro. what are the information maximizing questions to ask. sum of entropy over tag set." 19:17 < kanzure> "extracting english language embeddings, map words into a 300 dimensional space, compute analogies with vector arithmetic, word pairs and word co-occurence, then minimize the words into some vector space where the words occur at their co-occurrence levels, then you can solve analogies with very high accuracy" 19:17 < fenn> that sounds like a painful process because the information maximizing questions are ideally 50% "don't care" 19:17 < fenn> because you're bisecting 19:17 < kanzure> yes i don't expect my victims to just sit there answering stupid questions; i guess i could be OK with a bias where i only talk with people that are okay with stupid questions :). 19:18 < cluckj> it's also insanely impossible, not even accounting for apathy 19:18 < kanzure> hm? 19:18 < fenn> the curse of the corners i think it's called 19:18 < fenn> high dimensional cubes have long diagonal dimensions 19:19 < cluckj> it's easy to fool a tree of 20 questions :P 19:19 < cluckj> but yeah, what fenn said 19:19 < kanzure> well, the tree can be rendered in real-time ish 19:19 < kanzure> doesn't have to be statically generated tree 19:20 < kanzure> or rather, question 2 can be picked based on answers to question 1 19:20 < fenn> "when the dimensionality increases, the volume of the space increases so fast that the available data become sparse. This sparsity is problematic for any method that requires statistical significance. In order to obtain a statistically sound and reliable result, the amount of data needed to support the result often grows exponentially with the dimensionality" 19:20 < kanzure> maybe a quick ranking tool would be easier: a user is given a list of tags, they are then asked to rank them 1 to 100 in some rapid UI as to their interest level. 19:21 < fenn> realistically i expect people will cluster naturally into a small number of clusters once you find the right projection 19:21 < kanzure> yes but that's only because people are boring 19:21 < kanzure> and awful 19:22 < kanzure> (if they weren't awful, then they would have a better sense of entropy and they wouldn't cluster so much...) 19:22 < cluckj> those tags are also going to be too vague to gather any statistically significant meaning 19:22 < kanzure> i have been trying to not write down general tags lately, it's difficult though 19:23 < fenn> i still think general tags are better than no tags 19:23 < kanzure> for example i'll try to write down "impact of alleles on population fitness" instead of only "population genetics" 19:23 < cluckj> ^ 19:24 < kanzure> or "different selection strategies in evolutionary search algorithms" (e.g. more phrases than just simple tags) 19:24 < fenn> title, abstract, and keywords are solutions to different problems 19:24 < kanzure> i forgot what the problem is 19:25 < cluckj> remembering what people talk about and are interested in? 19:25 < fenn> not being able to model other peoples' states of knowledge 19:26 < kanzure> yeah it was definitely something about state/persistence i think 19:26 < cluckj> I try to think of my field notes (which do this) as a device to remind myself of conversations I've had 19:26 < cluckj> it works....okay 19:26 < fenn> you should do graduated interval repetition of reading your field notes 19:27 < cluckj> of course 19:27 < fenn> "of course" but nobody actually does that 19:27 < fenn> even though it would be super useful 19:27 < kanzure> your field notes aren't that long, just re-read the whole thing every 3 months 19:28 < cluckj> my field notes aren't that long, per se, but the stuff they index is enormous 19:28 < kanzure> my yaml file is 5.4 MB but only 544,000 words including all markup 19:28 < fenn> it's more important to re-read recent stuff 19:28 < kanzure> 566,000 words 19:28 < cluckj> fenn, it's a pretty standard practice to re-read field notes when writing them up 19:28 < fenn> in a systematic way? 19:28 < cluckj> yep 19:29 < fenn> what's the system? 19:29 < kanzure> i don't believe that. we would see people reading each other's field notes, instead of reading their own field notes. 19:29 < cluckj> reading someone else's field notes is an exercise in futility because they're a triggering system for memories 19:33 < fenn> "Crystallization of ice on borosilicate glass in contact with cryoprotectant solutions was inhibited by only 1 ppm of PVA copolymer." that's pretty impressive 19:33 < cluckj> fenn, mine is: write quick notes by hand in the book, type notes into the computer and annotate (add other interesting things I remember), sleep, annotate again, repeat until you figure something out:[compare with other notes about similar things, write connections between observations in the notes, connect to social theory] 19:34 < fenn> cluckj: how do you end up reading something months and years later though? 19:35 < cluckj> like in the handwritten part? 19:36 < fenn> i'm proposing that there's a system that algorithmically reminds you at the right time for maximum memory retention 19:36 < cluckj> ah 19:36 < fenn> you said people actually do this (i think we are miscommunicating though) 19:36 < cluckj> I think so too 19:36 < kanzure> with the right brain lesion you might be able to stop forgetting, would that be sufficient 19:37 < fenn> no, i'd prefer to have some small amount of control over what gets forgotten 19:37 < kanzure> i emailed some of the hyperthymesia researchers the other evening, one of them replied "why would you suspect that dna sequencing would reveal anything?" in a lengthy email 19:37 < kanzure> and another replied "Genetic studies have begun" in a super short email :) 19:38 < fenn> ffs everything is genetic when you get down to it 19:38 < kanzure> hyperthymesia might not be inherited, tho, she has a point 19:38 < cluckj> I do look at my notes frequently when I'm working on a particular project, or going back to one, or get towards the end (to 'prove' what I'm suggesting I saw was actually there and not a construction of the process itself) 19:38 < kanzure> .wik hyperthymesia 19:38 < yoleaux> "Hyperthymesia is the condition of possessing an extremely detailed autobiographical memory. People with hyperthymesia remember an abnormally vast number of their life experiences." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthymesia 19:39 < fenn> if you don't dump a piece of knowledge into your graduated interval reminder system, you'll be more likely to forget it 19:39 < fenn> vs one you are intentionally reminded of multiple times 19:39 -!- nmz787_w [~ntmccork@134.134.139.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:39 < kanzure> to me, hyperthymesia looks like some sort of compulsion to recall dates and autobiographic detail 19:39 < cluckj> yeah, I've had that happen to me from when I was first figuring out field notes 19:40 < kanzure> and the compulsion seems to be constantly executing in the background 19:40 < fenn> not from what i've read 19:40 < fenn> they remember all sorts of crap like the texture of the paint on the sign while entering a building 19:41 < kanzure> the date/day stuff seems a little weird to me; i often go for weeks without knowing what day it is. how do these people remember that? 19:41 < fenn> it's just that dates are easy for other people to cross check 19:42 < kanzure> so there are other people walking around with good memories, but it's harder to check because no dates, thus they are less reported? 19:42 < cluckj> it would be interesting to see how folks with hyperthymesia index their memories without dates 19:43 < fenn> no i'm saying that dates are used as anecdotal information because it's easier to verify that january 28 1985 was a tuesday than it is to verify that a particular sign had a paint chip missing on the lower left hand corner 19:43 < kanzure> hyperthymesia people should be given body cams and the footage should only be viewable to the researchers 19:43 < kanzure> wait why aren't there hyperthymesia/bodycam studies 19:43 < cluckj> lol 19:43 -!- jtimon [~quassel@245.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:44 < kanzure> you can even let them turn off the bodycam whenever they want 19:44 < fenn> i doubt there are enough of them to do studies on 19:44 < cluckj> that hasn't stopped science before! 19:44 < fenn> "25 cases of hyperthymesia have been confirmed in peer-reviewed articles" 19:44 < kanzure> well... shit. 19:45 < cluckj> call it a pilot study 19:46 < fenn> it seems to happen at around age 12-15 19:46 < cluckj> sample size of 30 is pretty good for anthropology, with 2-3 hour interviews each 19:48 < fenn> i find it strange that hyperthymesia was 'discovered' only recently 19:49 < kanzure> what about that synesthesia remembering person from a long while back 19:49 < kanzure> shesesekektehevo or whatever 19:50 < kanzure> shestakov 19:50 < fenn> shesek is loquat in hebrew :P 19:50 < fenn> .wik shestakov 19:50 < yoleaux> "Shestakov (Russian: ?????????, ?????????) is a Russian surname, and it may refer to:" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shestakov 19:50 < kanzure> no... hrm. 19:51 < kanzure> .wik solomon shereshevsky 19:51 < yoleaux> "Solomon Veniaminovich Shereshevsky (Russian: ??????? ???????????? ???????????; 1886-1958), also known simply as '?' ('Sh'), 'S.', or Luria's S was a Russian journalist and mnemonist active in the 1920s." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Shereshevsky 19:53 < fenn> "ivefold synaesthesia, in which the stimulation of one of his senses produced a reaction in every other. For example, if Shereshevsky heard a musical tone played he would immediately see a colour, touch would trigger a taste sensation, and so on for each of the senses" 19:54 < docl> it would be cool to find a way to remember/efficiently absorb all these math and science books I try to photoread. 19:56 < fenn> i wouldn't want to be like shereshevsky 19:59 < docl> are there drugs/halucinogens that produce effects close to synesthesia? 20:00 < kanzure> maybe the genome data from "long life family study" is publicly available, we could go hunting i guess 20:01 < kanzure> "Number of study subjects that have individual level data available through Authorized Access: 4835" 20:01 < kanzure> wtf is "authorized access" 20:02 < kanzure> ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/dbgap/studies/phs000397/phs000397.v1.p1/ 20:03 < kanzure> ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/dbgap/studies/phs000397/phs000397.v1.p1/release_notes/Release_Notes.phs000397.CIDR_LLFS.v1.p1.MULTI.pdf 20:05 < kanzure> so basically no public data 20:14 < kanzure> oh here's a good study: 20:14 < kanzure> "The cingulate cortex of older adults with excellent memory capacity" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945216303239 20:14 < kanzure> "Some older adults, known as "Supernormals", maintain excellent memory. This study examined relationships between cerebral amyloid deposition and functional connectivity (FC) within the cingulate cortex (CC) and between CC and other regions involved in memory maintenance between Supernormals, healthy controls (HC), and those at risk for AD (amnestic mild cognitive impairment [MCI]). Supern... 20:14 < kanzure> ...ormals had significantly stronger FC between anterior CC and R-hippocampus, middle CC (MCC) and L-superior temporal gyrus, and posterior CC (PCC) and R-precuneus, while weaker FC between MCC and R-middle frontal gyrus and MCC and R-thalamus than other groups. All of these FC were significantly related to memory and global cognition in all participants. Supernormals had less amyloid deposition ... 20:14 < kanzure> ...than other groups. Relationships between global cognition and FC were stronger among amyloid positive participants. Relationships between memory and FC remained regardless of amyloid level. This revealed how CC-related neural function participates in cognitive maintenance in the presence of amyloid deposition, potentially explaining excellent cognitive function among Supernormals." 20:17 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/memory/The%20cingulate%20cortex%20of%20older%20adults%20with%20excellent%20memory%20capacity%20-%202016.pdf 20:22 < kanzure> oh this is just more MRI >:( 20:23 < kanzure> what do people have against collecting and analyzing dead brains? 20:26 < kanzure> probably that document is more useful for its references :( 20:33 < kanzure> http://www.mpi.nl/departments/language-and-genetics/projects/decoding-the-genetics-of-synaesthesia/genetics-of-synaesthesia 20:40 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=721a50e4 Bryan Bishop: more longevity mutations, particularly in OBFC1 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ 20:44 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8af72cab Bryan Bishop: fix formatting >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ 20:45 < kanzure> human OBFC1 http://www.proteopedia.org/wiki/index.php/4jqf 20:46 < kanzure> "Component of the CST complex, a complex that binds to single-stranded DNA and is required to protect telomeres from DNA degradation. The CST complex binds single-stranded DNA with high affinity in a sequence-independent manner, while isolated subunits bind DNA with low affinity by themselves. In addition to telomere protection, the CST complex has probably a more general role in DNA metabolis... 20:46 < kanzure> ...m at non-telomeric sites." 20:51 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=03acf5f4 Bryan Bishop: also KLOTHO of course >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ 20:56 < kanzure> what's weird about genetic-modifications.mdwn is that these are only natural variants, and not much thought has been put into optimizing these mutations or looking at what they actually do on a mechanistic level 20:57 < kanzure> dna binding pockets are very very optimizable 21:51 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:11 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:21 -!- MMMalign [51e988cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.233.136.203] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:23 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:27 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:43 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:46 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:103c:ee00:3854:184c:2a2c:2e65] has quit [Changing host] 23:01 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:33 -!- Gurkenglas__ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:33 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:35 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Feb 14 00:00:32 2017