--- Log opened Thu Feb 16 00:00:34 2017 00:04 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:09 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:28 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:405a:661e:f325:c434] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:38 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:405a:661e:f325:c434] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:405a:661e:f325:c434] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 < archels> http://bitesizebio.com/product_article/zeiss-airyscan-a-brave-new-microscopy-world-with-sharper-confocal-resolution/ 01:15 < archels> nmz787_: sorry, I'm not on the relevant list, is there an archive? 01:16 < archels> http://pages.zeiss.com/CPS_Airyscan-Fast-White-Paper-Request_Confirmation20160613.html?aliId=8709302 01:18 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:29 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:39 -!- urchin_ [~urchin@89.17.9.188] has quit [Changing host] 01:39 -!- urchin_ [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:39 -!- urchin_ is now known as Urchin 01:40 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:48 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:08 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:18 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:405a:661e:f325:c434] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28 -!- duper [~super@ca4.blackcatz.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:37 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:11 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-klxzshfhvmewccko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:19 -!- majesulah [~majesulah@ip72-210-78-128.mc.at.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:22 < majesulah> ? 05:22 -!- majesulah [~majesulah@ip72-210-78-128.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:23 -!- majesulah [~majesulah@ip72-210-78-128.mc.at.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- duper [~super@ca4.blackcatz.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:01 -!- majesulah [~majesulah@ip72-210-78-128.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:05 -!- majesulah [~majesulah@ip72-210-78-128.mc.at.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:11 -!- majesulah [~majesulah@ip72-210-78-128.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:15 < cluckj> nmz787_, surprise: that dude is also making a youtube series about diybio 06:20 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:23 -!- jtimon [~quassel@245.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:43 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 < archels> .btc 06:48 < archels> US$1029.41 06:48 < JayDugger> Ah, neat. 06:55 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:58 < kanzure> take it to ##bitcoin (it used to be #bitcoin-pricetalk) 07:08 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:08 -!- abetusk is now known as Guest69889 07:15 < kanzure> ""The Broad's legal costs, paid by Editas, topped $15 million last summer. UC's, paid by Caribou, have passed $5 million. Neither party has said what they have spent since then." 07:23 < kanzure> so now on to the cpf1 patent war 07:30 -!- Guest69889 is now known as abetusk 07:34 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:42 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:405a:661e:f325:c434] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- Reventlov [~reventlov@unaffiliated/reventlov] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 08:19 -!- Reventlov [~reventlov@unaffiliated/reventlov] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:53 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:54 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-klxzshfhvmewccko] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:01 -!- augur_ [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:450d:9193:48fe:6ae6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:405a:661e:f325:c434] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:01 < kanzure> "Organoid technologies meet genome engineering" http://embor.embopress.org/content/early/2017/02/15/embr.201643732 10:06 < kanzure> https://theconversation.com/why-you-should-donate-your-data-as-well-as-your-organs-when-you-die-72555 10:08 < kanzure> "Highly stable glassy carbon interfaces for long-term neural stimulation and low-noise recording of brain activity" http://www.nature.com/articles/srep40332 10:17 -!- augur_ [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:450d:9193:48fe:6ae6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:58 < poppingtonic> kanzure: the costs are due to the CRISPR patent war? 11:05 < kanzure> yep 11:29 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:58 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:dc11:af77:8387:9a2e] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:28 -!- augur [~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:dc11:af77:8387:9a2e] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:49 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- abetusk is now known as Guest18513 12:59 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@197.177.191.7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:52 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:16 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:51 < kanzure> bloot 15:34 -!- nmz787_w [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ihjmzrxecahszzuc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-218-116.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 < nmz787_w> archels: it is more disheartening and confusing to me, more than productive... just to warn you. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/diybio/l97VjQLls0A 15:41 < nmz787_w> cluckj: ugh, yeah, who knows... these people seem more interested in paper-pushing than science/engineering 15:41 < kanzure> science! with an exclamation mark. 15:42 < nmz787_w> does engineering get the spanish inverted-excalamation? 15:42 < nmz787_w> or am i imagining that character exists? 15:42 < nmz787_w> I know there's an upside down question mark 15:43 < kanzure> .u inverted exclamation mark 15:43 < yoleaux> U+00A1 INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK [Po] (?) 16:16 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:23 < kanzure> in the news today, "Antarctica Just Shed a Manhattan-Sized Chunk of Ice" man if only i had put sails on it.. 16:25 < nmz787_w> .g manhattan acreage 16:25 < yoleaux> http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_acres_is_the_Manhattan_island 16:26 < nmz787_w> "22.96 square miles or 14,694.4 acres" 16:26 < nmz787_w> so like 30 farms in Montana/Wyoming 16:26 < kanzure> lotta cargo capacity 16:27 < nmz787_w> I guess 23 farms, since 640 acres is a square mile 16:28 < kanzure> how many sails would be required 16:30 < nmz787_w> list of boats with top-deck area and # of masts here: 16:30 < nmz787_w> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_large_sailing_vessels#List 16:31 < nmz787_w> looks like about 356 sails (masts) needed 16:31 < nmz787_w> by pure extrapolation 16:32 < nmz787_w> I guess the hydrodynamics of the iceberg would suck comparatively 16:32 < nmz787_w> but it would self-adjust, as it traveled through the water 16:32 < nmz787_w> shear force would cause friction, melt off draggy areas, I'd guess 16:33 < nmz787_w> oh 16:33 < nmz787_w> wait 16:33 < nmz787_w> I was trying to calculate with acres, but used the sq miles instead 16:33 < nmz787_w> haha, with the right math it comes to 226982 sails 16:34 < nmz787_w> 14694.4 acres/(47ft * 60 ft to acres) 16:34 < nmz787_w> * 5 16:35 < nmz787_w> crap, I didn't multiply by 5 16:51 < nmz787_w> just heard New Jersey is trying to ban de-clawing pet cats... this could just be a GMO thing 16:57 < cluckj> nmz787_, yeah :\ the jerks are starting to descend on citizen science/diybio 16:57 -!- poppingtonic1 [~brian@197.177.191.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:00 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 < nmz787_w> it is super odd 17:01 < nmz787_w> I guess I have my head under a rock though, relatively... I don't order chemicals too much, so maybe they're scared laws will get stiffer? 17:02 < nmz787_w> "any news is bad news" maybe is their thinking? 17:03 < nmz787_w> ugh, I am so bored 17:03 < kanzure> easier for people to be outraged than to do work 17:03 < cluckj> ^ 17:07 < cluckj> I dunno 17:07 < cluckj> bad analysis 17:08 < fenn> looks like waag is attempting a pre-emptive hijacking 17:08 < kanzure> he is looking for reactionary behavior to his email. classic trollism. 17:09 < nmz787_w> yeah I was definitely consider saying that it sounded more like he was trying to hijack things himself 17:09 < cluckj> yes 17:09 < nmz787_w> but figured that wasn't gentlemanly 17:10 < fenn> he's attempting to define a frame where good diybio citizens are united against fascism, and using this to insert his own totalitarian code of ethics into some sort of constitution or new and better and enforced code of ethics 17:10 < cluckj> "let's have the ethics discussion one more time" 17:10 < fenn> i'm somewhat impressed at how non-political the whole maker thing has been, honestly 17:11 < fenn> it's not like there hasn't been plenty of opportunity 17:11 < cluckj> it's super political but focused on a different kind of politics 17:11 < cluckj> the kind that matter (making shit) 17:11 < fenn> right, when normal politicians wander in and try to take over they don't get it 17:13 < fenn> people like waag think that the appearances and associations of a technology are more important than being free to use the technology at all 17:13 < cluckj> yeah that's what sort of turns me off a lot of other social scientists' work on this stuff, is that it focuses on the boring interpersonal politics and ignores the radical act of making 17:13 < cluckj> yep 17:13 < nmz787_w> sounds like waag is the marketing dept who all the scientists and engineers hate 17:14 < fenn> no 17:14 < fenn> waag is from the humanities department, which one i'm not sure yet 17:14 < fenn> but honestly i don't care 17:14 < nmz787_w> hmm 17:14 < nmz787_w> HR is pretty bad too 17:14 < fenn> that's not what humanities means 17:15 < nmz787_w> I'm speaking from a Dilbert perspective 17:15 < nmz787_w> like getting shit done is a company 17:15 < cluckj> they're an NGO think tank? 17:15 < cluckj> sort of? 17:16 < fenn> ? 17:16 < kanzure> diybio might have been a response to hplusroadmap 17:16 < kanzure> interestng to note the hplusroadmap shoutout in george church's regenesis book 17:17 < fenn> diybio came out of cambridge and MIT entrepreneur startupy communism 17:17 < fenn> something something hackerspaces 17:17 < kanzure> macowell was registered on hplusroadmap mailing list in 2007 i think 17:17 < kanzure> before starting diybio 17:17 < cluckj> bosslab was more anarchist affinity group than commie 17:17 < fenn> well i'm not surprised 17:18 < fenn> (that he was subscribed) 17:18 < cluckj> mac was also doing igem stuff, and jason was/is in church's lab 17:18 < fenn> i think it's a natural reaction to not being able to get reagents or protocols 17:19 < fenn> i only wonder why it took so long 17:19 < nmz787_w> diybio to me, other than the idea of doing things with your own motivation/funding/capital, was just a mailing list :/ 17:19 < nmz787_w> I guess I could have just as well ended up on some other forum website 17:19 < kanzure> no they wanted politics, that's why they had ideas of an 'organization' and 'lobbying' and 'licensing' 17:19 < fenn> licensing what? 17:19 < nmz787_w> I guess they just hit the keywords and were already google, so I didn't have to sign up for yet another website 17:19 < kanzure> fenn: amateurs 17:19 < cluckj> "open source" is politics 17:19 < kanzure> no, die 17:20 < cluckj> bite me :P 17:20 < kanzure> stabstabstab 17:20 < nmz787_w> open source, unless export controls regulate your data 17:20 < fenn> every field of study wants to be the center of the universe 17:21 < fenn> politics is just social engineering etc 17:21 < cluckj> ^ 17:21 < fenn> can we stop the dick swinging now? 17:21 < cluckj> haha 17:21 < cluckj> k 17:22 < fenn> how many people are still active on the diybio mailing list? 17:22 < cluckj> it's unclear to me what the intricacies of the actual "formation" of diybio was, but the mailing list is definitely central 17:22 < cluckj> so was carl zimmer's dumb article 17:23 < cluckj> which was free advertising for the ml 17:23 < fenn> this is one of those "science" writers right? 17:23 < cluckj> yes 17:25 < nmz787_w> fenn: my guess is about 10-20 in last week or two 17:26 < fenn> from what i've seen most mailing list posts are about synthetic biology and gene editing stuff, not huge numbers of flu-infected ferrets, so to pretend the two practices are equivalent is intellectually dishonest 17:27 < cluckj> yep 17:27 < cluckj> it's been dishonest to make that comparison for diybio's entire existence, but that hasn't stopped people from doing it 17:28 < fenn> zimmer's article seems to end with the right conclusion, however the title is still "Amateurs Are New Fear in Creating Mutant Virus 17:28 < fenn> which is bullshit 17:28 < fenn> you're the one creating the fear by using these headlines 17:29 < cluckj> precisely 17:29 < nmz787_w> well I wouldn't feel it abnormal if someone posted a large-scale animal experiment on diybio 17:29 < nmz787_w> or some biological field study 17:29 < cluckj> and tons of time and resources have been spent trying to dispel that headline 17:30 < kanzure> maybe headlines should be regulated 17:31 < kanzure> because of how they incite witch hunts 17:31 < cluckj> lol 17:32 < cluckj> it got me interested in diybio because I was like "that's probably bullshit, there's probably more interesting things happening there" 17:32 < cluckj> however I always get the "don't you think that's dangerous??" stuff no matter what 17:33 < cluckj> and folks in diybio get that kind of question all the time from journalists and researchers (who should know better) 17:50 < streety> there are occasionally posts suggesting something animal related on the mailing list but I don't recall any work being reported 18:02 < nmz787_w> I want to buy a farm to have some antibody goats 18:02 < nmz787_w> and hybrid minicows, mini etc 18:03 < nmz787_w> crazy modified plants 18:05 < nmz787_w> re: danger I can say I went to school/college for biotech, and usually just say there is a lot of misinterpretation and overexaggeration 18:05 < nmz787_w> but I guess I usually just write off people who seem uninfluenceable 18:05 < nmz787_w> basically I want to start my own DIY village 18:06 < nmz787_w> consisting of very carefully chosen people 18:06 < nmz787_w> I guess this would be some DIY coop 18:07 < nmz787_w> there should be a little cross-functionality though 18:08 < kanzure> carefully chosen, you say 18:15 < nmz787_w> it might end up "no one but me and my woman" if I can't make up my mind 18:28 < kanzure> what do you think this place is 18:31 < nmz787_w> a chat room? 18:31 < nmz787_w> unless this is the matrix, and hplusroadmap is the ship we're all actually on-board 18:32 < nmz787_w> 'the farm' 18:33 < fenn> follow the glowing rabbit, nmz 18:37 < kanzure> careful you don't become too bored or else shit like the sos brigade happens again 18:40 < kanzure> https://436petabytes.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/sos-brigade-masked.png 18:41 < nmz787_w> is that some sort of microfluidic filled with food coloring? 18:41 < nmz787_w> :P 18:45 < kanzure> it's what happens when you get very very bored 18:47 < cluckj> hah 18:50 < kanzure> now please stand for the mandatory anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJuexdl_c5s 18:59 < fenn> .title 18:59 < yoleaux> Neon Genesis Evangelion - A Cruel Angel's Thesis (Full English Version) - YouTube 19:00 < kanzure> what did you expect.. 19:05 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-107-21-133-41.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-221-120-142.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:05 < nmz787_w> I am more bored with day-job work... than overall bio/gmo goals 19:06 < cluckj> hack the planet? 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