--- Log opened Sun Apr 02 00:00:15 2017 00:03 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.141.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:27 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.141.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39 -!- augur [~augur@185.16.164.7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:26 -!- augur [~augur@185.16.164.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26 -!- augur [~augur@185.16.164.7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:35 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:45 -!- dnukem [~dnukem@c-71-234-96-215.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:48 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@2601:602:9603:a3f8:626d:c7ff:fe5f:86c7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:49 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:49 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:06 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:17 -!- augur [~augur@185.16.164.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-188-103-066-228.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:20 -!- augur [~augur@185.16.164.7] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:24 -!- dnukem [~dnukem@c-71-234-96-215.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:25 -!- augur [~augur@185.16.164.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:53 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:53 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.141.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:01 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.141.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:33 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:56 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- dnukem [~dnukem@c-71-234-96-215.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:42 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:8d35:3d2:a9c4:b0f0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:56 < entity8421[m]> https://youtu.be/LOe9GNEDKZ8 05:11 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-235-9-141.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-161-223-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:59 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:09 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 06:11 < kanzure> .title 06:11 < yoleaux> Improve Willpower in 5 Mins | How Heart Rate Variability helps Brain Function - YouTube 06:11 < kanzure> meh 06:13 < JayDugger> cluckj, found it, (I think). Looks harder to follow than 19-5 intermittent fasting. 06:14 < JayDugger> Reading on, perhaps that is the point. 06:42 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@2601:602:9603:a3f8:626d:c7ff:fe5f:86c7] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:54 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@2601:602:9603:a3f8:65e5:be41:3c9c:c816] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:01 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 < chris_99> just been reading bunnies hardware hacking book, never knew the moulds for injection moulding were processed with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_discharge_machining which i'd never heard of before 07:08 < JayDugger> How do you find the book? 07:08 < chris_99> i'm only on p44 but enjoying it so far 07:12 < JayDugger> Thanks. 07:48 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200a16a8061705a6319.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:26 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in] 08:28 < cluckj> JayDugger, link? 08:28 < cluckj> or summary? 08:34 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:35 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 < JayDugger> No, thank you. 08:40 < cluckj> okay... 08:41 < kanzure> wordswordswords 09:08 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:18 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:28 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200a16a8061705a6319.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:59 -!- y0no [~y0no@2001:bc8:212d:201:ff01::a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 -!- y0no [~y0no@2001:bc8:212d:201:ff01::a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12 < juri_> i have some graphene. what do i do with it? 10:18 < heath> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjoA3lTa25I "Experimental NEURON UI" 10:22 < kanzure> liz parrish / bioviva interview transcript http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2016/s4625411.htm 10:23 < heath> "A stochastic neuronal model predicts random search behaviors at multiple spatial scales in C. elegans" | https://elifesciences.org/content/5/e12572 10:23 < heath> open worm journal club talking about that paper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MflKJyaRADk 10:29 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in] 10:31 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has quit [Client Quit] 10:32 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:32 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has quit [Client Quit] 10:33 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.152.96.20] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@1.152.96.20] has quit [Changing host] 10:42 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:44 -!- y0no [~y0no@2001:bc8:212d:201:ff01::a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.141.242] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:57 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:13 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:13 < nmz787_> chris_99: EDM is pretty interesting for sure! I have thought for a while on how to DIY one, since you get really nice resolution 13:15 < chris_99> is it semi-related to plasma cutting? 13:15 < chris_99> or is it a different principle it uses 13:16 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:16 < nmz787_> I thought it was just electrolysis 13:16 < nmz787_> relying on very fine current/power control and a very fine electrode tip 13:16 < chris_99> i'm only skimming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_discharge_machining 13:17 < chris_99> but it mentions a plasma channel 13:17 < chris_99> forming 13:17 < nmz787_> ah, yeah it does say dielectric liquid 13:17 < chris_99> yeah 13:17 < chris_99> i'm not sure what that is tho 13:18 < nmz787_> just capacitor oil or something 13:18 < nmz787_> PCBs 13:18 < nmz787_> lol 13:18 < chris_99> ahh 13:18 < nmz787_> so it acts as a capacitor, then the 'cap' arcs, and the power-source probably exhausts it's power-store 13:19 < chris_99> so in the book i'm reading it talks about doing it for moulds for injection moulding, i wonder how the machine knows when to stop 'milling' 13:20 < chris_99> i guess it has to move the electrode about, so maybe from that info somehow 13:20 < chris_99> as i presume it needs to keep a certain gap 13:20 < chris_99> above the metal 13:21 < nmz787_> yeah, I think there is a really nice CNC machine involved that holds the electrode tool head 13:21 < chris_99> to get good resolution wouldn't you also need very precise control of the electrode? 13:22 < nmz787_> probably you can do some AC sensing to determine the distance 13:22 < nmz787_> i.e. assuming the dielectric strength is the same/constant (i guess that is a reason they flush with new oil) 13:22 < chris_99> ah interesting, yeah that's a good idea 13:23 < chris_99> he says you can get better than hairs width precision or something, so wouldn't the steppers/servos/.. have to be pretty damn good 13:23 < nmz787_> chris_99: any idea why I'd see a big 60Hz ripple on the HV (dashed) side outputs on this? seems like some component must be still-broken https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kanzure/culture_shock/master/kvboard.png 13:24 < nmz787_> well a hair is 100 microns 13:24 < nmz787_> https://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ee245/fa97/small.html 13:24 < nmz787_> CNC Milling machines: typical accuracy = 2-3 mil = 50-75 microns 13:24 < chris_99> oh interesting! i didn't know the typical accuracy would be that good 13:25 < nmz787_> huh, that page also lists EDM 13:25 < chris_99> mm it does 13:26 < chris_99> just looking at your schematic, my knowledge isn't great though 13:27 < chris_99> do you get ripple on the input of the transformer too then? 13:28 < nmz787_> no 13:28 < nmz787_> it is really weird 13:28 < nmz787_> I can only imagine something is acting like an antenna on the HV side for some reason 13:28 < nmz787_> but I am not sure why 13:29 < chris_99> interesting, the grounds are connected though right? 13:29 < nmz787_> http://imgur.com/a/il2vy 13:29 < nmz787_> yeah 13:30 < chris_99> but you're saying it didn't do this ripple before? 13:30 < nmz787_> right 13:31 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31 < nmz787_> I only noticed it because when I was zoomed in, the before and after HV pulse was not always at 0V 13:31 < chris_99> i've no idea, but are the diodes ok too still, as well as the caps 13:31 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:31 < nmz787_> hmm, not sure 13:31 < nmz787_> could be bad I guess 13:31 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:32 < nmz787_> I suspected the AC-DC laptop power adapter the 20V is coming from 13:32 < nmz787_> but I scoped it and it was smooth 13:32 < nmz787_> (since the board had been shorting prior to me replacing the MOSFETs, I thought maybe the supply was cooked) 13:33 < chris_99> huh thats very odd, so you mean even in the input DC, theres not really any 60Hz ripple 13:33 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33 < nmz787_> yeah 13:33 < chris_99> what frequency do you generate for the transfomrer 13:34 < nmz787_> mmm, the low-side FETs are being pulsed at maybe 1kHz I think 13:34 < nmz787_> in that pic I showed, at least 13:36 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200e5837cb6b3323c98.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:37 < chris_99> hmm very weird 13:47 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200e5837cb6b3323c98.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:02 < chris_99> i guess theres not so many components, that you couldn't try to replace each one, testing for ripple after replacing each one? 14:50 < chris_99> can anyone recommend a decent epub reader for linux per chance 14:50 < chris_99> i can never really find one thats that good 15:04 < chris_99> https://github.com/michaldaniel/Ebook-Viewer/ just found that, which is evinceish 15:17 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30 -!- jtimon [~quassel@70.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32 < heath> .title https://www.blinklight.io/blog/2017-03-31/ 15:32 < yoleaux> Blinklight 15:32 < heath> Open Source Needs FPGAs; FPGAs Need an On-ramp 15:43 < kanzure> yashgaroth: i sent some feedback 15:44 < yashgaroth> ah, good stuff 15:47 < kanzure> also, the recombinase-mediated assembly reaction has to be stepwise? 15:47 < kanzure> what were the homology lengths 15:49 < yashgaroth> unknown how many fragments you can have in there simultaneously; homology length is probably 20-30bp? 15:50 -!- dnukem [~dnukem@c-71-234-96-215.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:10 < kanzure> MPEGLA is doing a patent pool for crispr stuff http://www.mpegla.com/main/pid/CRISPR/default.aspx 17:11 < kanzure> everyone abandon ship from reality 17:12 < kanzure> "Human germ cell formation in xenotransplants of induced pluripotent stem cells carrying X chromosome aneuploidies" http://www.nature.com/articles/srep06432 (2014) 17:13 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:13 < kanzure> ".. was about this one group taking fibroblasts from XX and XO (Turner's syndrome) females and XY cells from a male and de-differntiating them into induced pluripotent stem cells. They then re-differentiated the cells into germ cells. Sure, that's not controversial just yet, but then they decided to put the XX female germ cells into a teste. The female germ cells (XX and XO) and the male XY ce... 17:13 < kanzure> ...lls all differentiated into cells that could succesfully undergo meiosis. And these cells, could terminally become sperm. That means an XX skin cell could be induced to become a sperm and possibly fertilize an egg from another woman. Of course all offspring would be XX female. This process totally bypasses males." 17:36 -!- up_dn [~up_dn@2601:83:4280:1c3e:f8fd:cf:e7b5:d5d6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:41 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:75:9824:ab7c:671] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:42 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:75:9824:ab7c:671] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:42 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:75:9824:ab7c:671] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:75:9824:ab7c:671] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:45 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:75:9824:ab7c:671] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 -!- up_dn [~up_dn@2601:83:4280:1c3e:f8fd:cf:e7b5:d5d6] has quit [Quit: up_dn] 18:00 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:75:9824:ab7c:671] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10 < kanzure> an attempt at using BLS signature aggregation https://gist.github.com/kanzure/febf73f132198b639a539c8406460a30 18:17 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:21 -!- Guest11351 [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c1eaa860 Bryan Bishop: fix typo in pairings transcript >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/simons-institute/pairing-cryptography/ 19:00 < kanzure> 15:20 <+dpk> deltab: great, soon we'll be paying MPEG decoding patent licence fees on our designer babies 19:06 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d1359070 Bryan Bishop: also link to the signature aggregation paper >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/simons-institute/pairing-cryptography/ 20:07 * kanzure looks at https://github.com/sipa/secp256k1/blob/968e2f415a5e764d159ee03e95815ea11460854e/src/modules/schnorr/schnorr.md 20:08 -!- dnukem [~dnukem@c-71-234-96-215.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:09 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:10 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20 < nmz787_> kanzure: that blinklight post doesn't consider power-hungriness of FPGAs for consumer devices 20:24 < kanzure> wasn't me 20:59 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:13 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:39 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:51 -!- y0no [~y0no@2001:bc8:212d:201:ff01::a] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:56 -!- sbodin [~sbodin@91.226.141.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:03 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:16 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:17 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:32 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36 -!- augur [~augur@46.11.55.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:56 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: sleeep] 22:58 -!- IRCFrEAK [~gk.1wm.su@185.93.181.102] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:00 -!- IRCFrEAK [~gk.1wm.su@185.93.181.102] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 23:07 -!- augur [~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 -!- augur [~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36 -!- augur [~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:40 -!- augur [~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42 -!- augur [~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon Apr 03 00:00:16 2017