--- Log opened Mon Apr 17 00:00:28 2017 00:07 < kanzure> justanotheruser: openbci? 00:52 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:22 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfwtpezwforuhese] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- Jen_ [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust571.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:06 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:43 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfwtpezwforuhese] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for 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you a house for the cost of energy and land" 05:03 < archels_> obviously robots and computation and AI IP is not going to be free 05:04 < streety> AI IP might be free but I agree on the robot and computation 05:05 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200c4e17b4a2b85c335.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:14 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:21 -!- m4l3z [~m4l3z@2a01cb040226f200c4e17b4a2b85c335.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:27 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:47 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:51 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:54 < archels_> "all transport will electrify with the exception of rockets" 05:54 < archels_> (not Sam Altman. any guesses?) 05:55 < chris_99> what about the emdrive ;) 05:56 < archels_> hehe, let's hope that comes to pass 05:56 < chris_99> mm 06:01 < cluckj> archels_, it's closer to zero marginal cost than what labor costs now 06:11 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:25 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skeghuuifodaxcpx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- jenelizabeth_ [~jenelizab@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust571.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:34 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- jenelizabeth_ [~jenelizab@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust571.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59 < pasky> what cluckj said 07:00 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:03 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:10 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:14 < archels_> just because it's closer doesn't mean it's zero 07:14 < archels_> take for example the present-day robots we use to create microchips 07:15 < cluckj> yeah I agree, it would probably help his argument to clarify what he means by "free" 07:16 < archels_> I don't think the scaling is very favourable, if you want to make say twice as many microchips 07:41 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:44 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:45 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@static-98-114-125-87.phlapa.ftas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:32 < jcorgan> what happened to the good old fashioned variety of "we're going to live a fantastic future, a post-scarcity future, one with no constraints on time, energy, space, or creativity!" 08:32 < jcorgan> i miss those utopic days 08:33 < jcorgan> to be an extropian in '92, then look at the world 25 years later and...wonder. 08:33 < jcorgan> back under my rock 08:34 < kanzure> because the extropians were lazy fuckwits who didn't know how to do anything other than speculate 08:34 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skeghuuifodaxcpx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:34 < jcorgan> but it was *fun* speculation 08:41 < kanzure> something about cathal garvey and horsehoe crabs http://sothicbio.science/ 08:51 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1174:d800:f810:90c3:83b4:a69c] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@2001:8003:1174:d800:f810:90c3:83b4:a69c] has quit [Changing host] 09:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:46 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 -!- Jen [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust571.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:24 < satori_> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a26038/the-blood-of-the-crab/ 10:24 < satori_> kanzure: heheh i jus saw this ^ and then your link. 10:47 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06 < kanzure> "Sleep drives metabolite clearance from the adult brain" http://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6156/373 (2013) 11:11 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udiuxppvrlcpriyl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:32 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:33 -!- sachy [~sachy@178.255.168.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:11 < chris_99> just watching BBCs 'inside chernobyl's mega tomb' which is pretty interesting, i didn't realise the new tomb for it, would have robotic cranes to dismantle the reactor 12:21 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:02 < satori_> chris_99: that on tv or online ? 13:02 < satori_> link? 13:02 < chris_99> it was on TV afraid, but it might be online somewhere 13:02 < satori_> cool no worries 13:02 < satori_> ill go lookin for it 13:02 -!- jtimon [~quassel@14.red-88-5-22.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:02 < satori_> thx :D 13:04 < satori_> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x57ebd1_inside-chernobyl-s-mega-tomb-bbc-documentary-hd_school 13:04 < satori_> werd 13:04 < chris_99> :) 13:05 < chris_99> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hx40t is worth watching too imo 'Inside Porton Down: Britain's Secret Weapons Research Facility' 13:06 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:8d61:79c2:7040:ae30] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:07 < satori_> d 13:07 < satori_> werd 13:08 < satori_> thx 13:14 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udiuxppvrlcpriyl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:14 < satori_> weak. cant watch the bbc one 13:14 < satori_> (not in the UK) 13:15 < satori_> ill mess with that later 13:15 < chris_99> iirc that one is on TPB 13:15 < satori_> werd 13:58 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59 -!- ExeciN [ExeciN@bnc.stormbit.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:01 < kanzure> you guys are boring 14:06 -!- ExeciN [ExeciN@bnc.stormbit.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 < cevi_> .title https://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v32/n11/full/nbt.3043.html 14:11 < yoleaux> Exploiting CRISPR-Cas nucleases to produce sequence-specific antimicrobials : Nature Biotechnology : Nature Research 14:11 < cevi_> (since we were talking about post-antibiotic antibiotics a few days ago) 14:24 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_No_More_(Doctor_Who) 14:37 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:8d61:79c2:7040:ae30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38 -!- Jen_ [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust571.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:41 -!- Jen [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust571.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59 < kanzure> speaking with bioviva people tomorrow 15:19 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:49 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@static-98-114-125-87.phlapa.ftas.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-217-120.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:30 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:32 < kanzure> what should i order 16:34 < cluckj> from? 17:24 < kanzure> bioviva 17:51 < jcorgan> something really bothers me about a website that makes you scroll through gigantic images, testimonials, media orgs, executive bios, and then all the way at the bottom, in tiny font, "what we do" 17:51 < jcorgan> and front and center of the first thing you see are two buttons, "contact" and "invest" 17:55 < kanzure> .tell yashgaroth okay we are going to have a block of time to speak with george 17:55 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to yashgaroth. 18:20 < kanzure> jcorgan: for bioviva? yeah they don't really do anything yet. they are offering custom gene therapy products. 18:23 < kanzure> .tell yashgaroth also we should prep some anti-aging/longevity stuff for george 18:23 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to yashgaroth. 18:28 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:34 < fenn> get ascorbic acid synthesis 18:35 < kanzure> who? 18:35 < fenn> be the guinea pig 18:35 < kanzure> "irc has advised me t get ascorbic acid synthesis" 18:35 < kanzure> *t 18:35 < kanzure> *to 18:35 < fenn> it's a shame custom genetic enhancement is so new, or you could get a whole bunch of stuff at once 18:36 < fenn> the sacrifices we make for science :P 18:36 < kanzure> got my list right here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications/ 19:16 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 < yashgaroth> bep 19:23 < yoleaux> 00:55Z yashgaroth: okay we are going to have a block of time to speak with george 19:23 < yoleaux> 01:23Z yashgaroth: also we should prep some anti-aging/longevity stuff for george 19:23 < yashgaroth> who you talking to at bioviva 19:24 < kanzure> iz 19:24 < kanzure> liz. 19:24 < yashgaroth> heh well tell her I say hi 19:25 < yashgaroth> I need about 30 seconds with george to get a photo with him and have him sign my book, I'll think of stuff to do afterward 19:26 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@2001:41d0:1:9185::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:27 < kanzure> i was thinking like an hour or two 19:27 < kanzure> think bigger 19:27 -!- ensign [~ensign@2001:41d0:8:d711::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:27 -!- indiebio_ [~quassel@2001:470:1f1c:9b::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:27 -!- Reventlov [~reventlov@unaffiliated/reventlov] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:27 < yashgaroth> oh jeez 19:27 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:28 < yashgaroth> & unless liz has raised a bunch of money for her UK postdoc slave facility, I can't imagine you'll get much of a cost savings vs. buying from some academic viral core 19:29 -!- indiebio [~quassel@quassel.tumbleweed.org.za] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@unaffiliated/blueskin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 < kanzure> yashgaroth: yeah well, she emailed me. we'll see. 19:31 < yashgaroth> haha alright 19:37 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:37 -!- abetusk [~abe@68.175.143.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 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yashgaroth> if macrogen is way less expensive then okay, I guess they're all using the same machines at this point 21:04 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:08 -!- Aurelius [~cpopell@50.35.79.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:22 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:26 -!- Jen_ [~Jen@cpc76808-brmb10-2-0-cust571.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:43 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-217-120.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:53 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01 -!- juul [~juul@juul.io] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-217-120.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:45 < nmz787_> kanzure: you don't just assume she see you as piggy bank, err, I mean potential valued future customer? 23:50 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:54 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Apr 18 00:00:29 2017