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01:06 < archels> geez that's cynical
01:06 < archels> could slatestarcodex be a terran
01:45 < kanzure> guess so
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01:56 < archels> https://www.defconbiohackingvillage.org/
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05:39 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=70288b99 Janus Troelsen: Add talk link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2016/fraud-proofs-petertodd/
05:39 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2f88a3ee Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #11 from ysangkok/master >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/
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06:39 < JayDugger> O magic conch, tell me which will first arrive? The Semantic Web --OR-- commercial fusion power?
06:41 < JayDugger> Did I stump it? Not even a "Future hazy. Ask again later?"
06:49 < archels> it's busy trying to figure out what "the semantic web" is supposed to mean
06:49 < JayDugger> Yeah, good point.
06:50 < JayDugger> I should do a better job with my phrasing.
06:50 < JayDugger> .wa which will first arrive? The Semantic Web --OR-- commercial fusion power?
06:50 < yoleaux> JayDugger: Sorry, no result!
06:50 < JayDugger> At least that took only one second.
06:54 < JayDugger> Ha! "Development of this topic is under investigation..."
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07:22 < archels> wait, the Ikea "Billy" bookshelf is EUR70? why do people buy this crap
07:54 < fenn> get a generic "metro" style wire rack shelf instead
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08:11 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJnWHArfLg8
08:11 < yoleaux> BLAME! (2017) OST - Tansaku - YouTube
08:12 < kanzure> this one kind of gives away the whole plot in like the first 3 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgXUKwEzwuo
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08:45 < archels> fenn: hehe, that's pretty minimal
08:45 < archels> I like the idea, but this is for books so we'll just pick up some second handed Billys
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09:02 < TMA> archels: the white version is like half the price of the others. what baffles me is that fiberboard is expensive; it's not that cheaper than some real wood
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09:30 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAIQeTeMJ-I
09:30 < yoleaux> Glass brain flythrough - Gazzaleylab / SCCN / Neuroscapelab - YouTube
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09:33 < JayDugger> Huh? How does the soundtrack give away the plot?
09:39 < juri_> not as nice as the DVD.
09:45 < kanzure> JayDugger: please. that's such an obvious western cowboy movie sound.
09:45 < kanzure> you don't have to see any of the john wayne movies to know that.
09:47 < JayDugger> I'd not thought of Blame! as a Western. You might have it right.
09:48 < kanzure> it's not a western.
09:48 < kanzure> the movie is, though.
09:49 < JayDugger> Ah, perhaps...not yet seen the new one.
09:50 < JayDugger> Spaghetti Western, maybe.
09:53 < JayDugger> But yeah, the soundtrack sounds like Kenji Kawai trying not to imitate Enrico Moriccone.
09:55 < JayDugger> So good call on your part, kanzure.
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10:54 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixu8tn__91E
10:54 < yoleaux> Jailbreaking Super Mario World to Install a Hex Editor & Mod Loader - YouTube
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12:22 < nmz787_> kanzure: very cool
12:33 < nmz787_> "We will sell, deliver, start services from the US market, and gradually expand to the European market. The selling price is 80 million yen for "SMI - 2050" for TEM / SEM specimen preparation, 110 - 100 million - "SMI - 2200/2300" for cross section (cross section specimen) analysis device for 300 mm / 200 mm wafer Schedule of 280 million yen. We expect sales of about 20 in the first year."
12:33 < nmz787_> 100 million yen is almost a million USD today
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13:07 < nmz787_> yashgaroth: any followup yet from the conf?
13:07 < yashgaroth> nope
13:08 < yashgaroth> nature reporter emailed me to say they won't bother writing up the conference unless the consortium gets funded, but that's about it
13:10 < cluckj> what if writing it up means it gets funded? (:
13:13 < yashgaroth> if it were an accurate write-up, it'd say the conference was put on to get funding for people from church & boeke's labs
13:16 < kanzure> or: only those labs are doing anything interesting.
13:16 < yashgaroth> well there is that
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14:11 < chris_99> .title https://rnd.dt.com.au/anti-ai-ai-a-wearable-ai-device-244900e4d71c
14:12 < yoleaux> Anti AI AI -- Wearable Artificial Intelligence - DT R&D
14:25 < cluckj> neat
14:26 < chris_99> but what about Dr Hawking though
14:27 < chris_99> or professor even
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16:00 < justan0theruser> nanoengineer-1's source code is about 10x as long as it needs to be
16:04 < kanzure> there's a bunch of cruft in there.
16:05 < justan0theruser> https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/utilities/Comparison.py
16:05 < justan0theruser> Note: the only reason we really need this method (as opposed to just using Python '==' or '!=' and our own __eq__ methods) is because Numeric.array.__eq__ is erroneously defined, and if we were using '==' or '!=' on a Python tuple containing a Numeric array, we'd have no way of preventing this issue from making '==' or '!=' come out wrong on the tuple.
16:05 < justan0theruser> for this they have a 450 line file
16:05 < justan0theruser> now, I'm wondering whether Numeric.array is still erroneously defined
16:06 < kanzure> is there a relevant unit test?
16:07 < justan0theruser> I don't see any tests for Comparison
16:08 < justan0theruser> It may be possible this all can be avoided by mandating they have numpy
16:09 < justan0theruser> https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/utilities/Comparison.py#L34
16:09 < justan0theruser> I don't even know what a Numeric array is
16:11 < justan0theruser> nvm,     # - numpy has the same design flaw in ==/!= that Numeric has.
16:12 < kanzure> numpy is the successor to numeric
16:13 < justan0theruser> ah
16:13 < kanzure> haha "There was a desire to get Numeric into the Python standard library, but Guido van Rossum (the author of Python) was quite clear that the code was not maintainable in its state"
16:20 < justan0theruser> not sure I'd even want clean numpy to be in the standard library
16:20 < justan0theruser> I'm guessing you don't have their project management stuff? They reference numbers like 090206 in their comments
16:21 < justan0theruser> "This is being revised (supposedly done as of 090206, but not fully tested) so that new-style classes are also handled if they define appropriate methods and/or inherit from a new superclass InstanceLike (which StateMixin and DataMixin now do)."
16:21 < kanzure> i have a backup of their wiki, but not their issue tracker.
16:21 < kanzure> 090206 is a timestamp dude
16:21 < justan0theruser> oh lol
16:22 < justan0theruser> def _same_numpy_ndarray_helper(obj1, obj2): #bruce 081202
16:22 < kanzure> most of their development was 2004-2008 i think.
16:22 < justan0theruser> they were actually using python2 right after it came out it seems
16:22 < justan0theruser> looks like it, unless its ymd
16:23 < justan0theruser> anyways...
16:23 < justan0theruser> It seems python wasn't as stable of a language as I've enjoyed it to be when they were developing around it
17:00 < justan0theruser> do you know what their business model was? Red hat?
17:12 < kanzure> don't really remember
17:20 < nmz787_> accquired a 6000 lbs pallet jack for moving the FIB around my garage once I unload it with a forklift tomorrow
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17:58 < nmz787_> I now basically have to build a room in my garage
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19:08 < nmz787_> or make a bigger door into my house.
19:10 < juri_> ok. implicitcad.org caught fire.
19:10 < juri_> i was running nmz787_'s torture test.
19:10 < juri_> (no joke)
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20:29 < nmz787_> it actually caught fire?
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23:26 < justan0theruser> does elfion ever come by here?
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