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04:13 < Guest97249> Anyone home?
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05:06 < juri_> nope!
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05:47 < kanzure> oh good.
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06:45 < kanzure> "Acoustic-transfection for genomic manipulation of single-cells using high frequency ultrasound" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05722-1 https://twitter.com/CRISPR_papers/status/886165227552649217
06:45 < danfox> eeeeeenteresting
06:46 < adlai> are you telling me there could be an opera singer so bad she literally gives you cancer?
06:54 < kanzure> you were not aware of acoustic transfection?
06:54 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ultrasound/
06:55 < kanzure> actually just read everything http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ultrasound/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/polymerase/
06:56 < adlai> wonderful, i didn't want to pass my physics exam anyway
06:59 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/physics/
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08:43 < kanzure> i seem to have hit the weird part of youtube again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzEWTOe0CL8
08:46 < kanzure> .title
08:46 < yoleaux> Kizuna Ai The English Master - YouTube
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08:56 < kanzure> live2d/facerig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IINyowbMqJI
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09:10 < kanzure> voluntarily blindness because superpowers and other hilarious reasons https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/3mb29i/synesthesia_training_script/cve0s5m/
09:11 < kanzure> re: synesthesia training i guess https://www.nature.com/articles/srep07089
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11:44 < chris_99> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CowjpZDtNlE these seem pretty amazing (apart from the fire risk they mention), diving re-breathers
11:50 < nmz787> chris_99: there's also this, which is self-refillable: http://www.scuba.com/US/scuba-gear-33/043030/Submersible-Systems-Spare-Air-Pack.html
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12:40 < chris_99> ooh will look now
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13:07 < chris_99> is that a mini gas tank then nmz787, as it mentions nitrox?
13:07 < streety> I think so, they are very different devices
13:08 < chris_99> mm
13:08 < streety> the item nmz787 posted is just a small tank for emergency use.
13:08 < chris_99> gotcha
13:08 < streety> rebreathers are an entire different approach/technology
13:08 < chris_99> im suprised rebreathers give you as long as they say
13:08 < chris_99> in that vid
13:10 < chris_99> would i be right in thinking rebreathers can't convert co2 to c+o2 though right?
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13:15 < streety> I'm not sure what is going on in that video. I thought rebreathers just scavenged the CO2 and replaced with oxygen from a tank. The animation does seem to suggest conversion though
13:17 < chris_99> yeah i'm sceptical of that video now, because it sounds like sodium hydroxide or something else is used to scrub co2 i think?
13:22 < chris_99> maybe the video just poorly words it, and means the unused o2 is re-used
13:23 < streety> might be potassium superoxide
13:23 < streety> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebreather#Rebreathers_using_an_absorbent_that_releases_oxygen
13:23 < streety> not a technique I had heard about
13:23 < chris_99> ooh wow
13:23 < chris_99> me neither
13:23 < chris_99> neat
13:24 < chris_99> "This system is dangerous because of the explosively hot reaction that happens if water gets on the potassium superoxide. "
13:24 < chris_99> it must be that, as he mentions the danger
13:26 < chris_99> so my chemistry knowledge is poor, but where is the o2 coming from, is it all from the potassium superoxide, or is some from the co2?
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13:32 < streety> I think it will predominantly be from the potassium superoxide
13:33 < chris_99> yeah that's what i was thinking, if it's all from that or..
13:33 < streety> the carbon dioxide will also end up with an extra oxygen to form the carbonate - possible for some rearrangements
13:33 < chris_99> ah
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15:41 < emeraldgreen> >tfw can accept ETH and BTC, b/c run full nodes
15:41 < emeraldgreen> >do not really know which services to offer
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15:46 < kanzure> huh?
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16:07 < emeraldgreen> kanzure I mean it would be cool to make some ETH/BTC accepting service
16:09 < emeraldgreen> though with eth there may be no need in service per se, if I could just deploy a cool smart contract that does something useful
16:11 < emeraldgreen> is this even a right chat for this
16:14 < kanzure> although i would prefer to run a node for receiving, verifying and checking payments, you don't actually need to do so, unless you want software to indicate payment received+recognized by your service.
16:15 < kanzure> your question basically boils down to "what business can i run so that people send me money" :)
16:15 < emeraldgreen> kanzure yup, I know there are convenient hosted nodes with credit-card-like APIs like stripe or coinbase
16:15 < emeraldgreen> kanzure yup (^:
16:16 < emeraldgreen> some stupid stuff like gambling comes immediately to mind
16:16 < emeraldgreen> also maybe web hosting, but this is dangerous for myself, who knows what they will host there
16:17 < emeraldgreen> In theory I could be a middlemen selling chinese bulletproof hosting for ETH/BTC, but this sounds dangerous too.
16:17 < emeraldgreen> Also I could sell my programming services. Or I could create a smart contract that matches freelance devs with buyers.
16:18 < archels_> .wik Neper
16:18 < yoleaux> "The neper (unit symbol Np) is a logarithmic unit for ratios of measurements of physical field and power quantities, such as gain and loss of electronic signals. The unit's name is derived from the name of John Napier, the inventor of logarithms." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neper
16:19 < emeraldgreen> hmm, also I could run an ETH oracle smart contract that verifies some facts about the real world
16:21 < emeraldgreen> Also I could run an exchange or mixing service
16:22 < kanzure> install joinmarket.
16:24 < emeraldgreen> kanzure Interesting, I'm researching it
16:25 < kanzure> also here are some things to read http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/
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16:34 < emeraldgreen> kanzure That's a big heap of papers!
16:34 < emeraldgreen> kanzure do you prefer BTC over ETH ?
16:36 < kanzure> yes
16:37 < emeraldgreen> because BTC is simpler and more understandable ? It does one thing well ?
16:40 < kanzure> ethereum doesn't really offer anything over bitcoin except unstable unreviewed code with ridiculous claims.
16:42 < emeraldgreen> Hmm, do you say there are bitcoin extensions that allow to execute arbitrary turing-complete smart contracts on-chain? p2sh or something more advanced /
16:42 < emeraldgreen> ?
16:42 < kanzure> and the breathless enthusiasm is sort of dangerous as a community; it encourages people to write shit code and then send money to shit code. there should be a culture of prudent caution.
16:42 < emeraldgreen> Or do you say that there is no need to execute smart-contracts on-chain, they can be securely offloaded off-chain?
16:43 < emeraldgreen> kanzure I agree that ETH is less proven for now
16:43 < kanzure> there are many proposed bitcoin extensions for upgrades to smart contracts, there's also pay to contract, oracles, p2sh, sidechains, yadda yadda.
16:43 < emeraldgreen> kanzure do these extensions require hard-forks though
16:43 < kanzure> they would not.
16:43 < emeraldgreen> cool!
16:44 < emeraldgreen> Also, I wonder, if bitcoin's progress is ground to a halt by an ultra-conservative chinese asic miner cartel
16:44 < emeraldgreen> even block size extension vs segwit is such a big deal
16:45 < emeraldgreen> I like ETH's anti-ASIC PoW
16:45 < emeraldgreen> >pay to contract, oracles, p2sh, sidechains // will research these
16:45 < kanzure> there's no such thing as anti-asic
16:46 < kanzure> they are lying to you. RAM manufacturers exist.
16:46 < emeraldgreen> well it is quite hard to make an ASIC with memory bandwidth order of magnitude higher than one has in a GPU
16:46 < kanzure> if machines can already compute then optimized machines can be made to compute.
16:46 < emeraldgreen> sure, maybe several times faster, but not 1000x like with bare SHA256
16:47 < kanzure> also do you really think someone who has made an ethereum asic would be so quick to announce it
16:48 < emeraldgreen> (^:
16:48 < emeraldgreen> I agree
16:49 < emeraldgreen> hmm http://www.asic-store.com/ethereum-miners/ethereum-miner-geass-miner-198mh-s-730w.html
16:49 < kanzure> that one might have been a repackaged gpu, dunno
16:50 < emeraldgreen> could be just some gpu dies with minimal support circuit
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16:50 < emeraldgreen> kanzure Also, do you think PoS is scammy and too dependent on politics, i.e. it does not have future?
16:51 < emeraldgreen> Or do you think some provably correct (considering game-theory?) PoS scheme is possible ?
16:52 < kanzure> emeraldgreen: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf
17:23 < emeraldgreen> Interesting proof
17:25 < danfox> I think that a lot of the attempts to change the protocols of the Blockchain itself (but not necessarily all of them) since Satoshi introduced it have been with ulterior motives to those stated, in mind. If one simply sticks to Satoshi's plan for how Bitcoin is supposed to work, it will work. Maybe not perfectly, but it will work.
17:26 < danfox> Improvements to the kinds of algorithms used and the implementations of the cryptocurrency technologies are fine when they are clearlly stated and you have started a new cryptocurrency.
17:27 < danfox> They're not so cool when they are obfuscated by greed and politics and when they try to mess with an already established cryptocurrency.
17:31 < emeraldgreen> kanzure do you think market cap of a certain blockchain in multi-billion range means there are no easy-to-medium hardness security holes in the cryptography and the implementation?
17:32 < kanzure> emeraldgreen: what? no. market cap does not mean that at all.
17:32 < emeraldgreen> hmm I thought if the bounty were so high, state-level resources would be thrown at it
17:33 < kanzure> "it's secure because it has not been attacked yet" is not good reasoning
17:33 < kanzure> and there was an attack against a smart contract--- and the result was a hard-fork to fix the damage.
17:33 < emeraldgreen> hmm sure, even if someone knew attack he could use it stealthily
17:34 < emeraldgreen> kanzure attack on a certain smart-contract isn't as devastating as the attack on the consensus logic or on the implementation
17:35 < kanzure> it turned into an attack on the consensus, dude.
17:35 < kanzure> hard-forks are intentional incompatibilities.
17:36 < emeraldgreen> do you mean the political decision, ah ok
17:37 < emeraldgreen> there is still ETH classic which is in consistent state afaik
17:37 < danfox> politics and technical decisions rarely exist in isolation, despite many wishing they would
17:37 < kanzure> the whole point of bitcoin is to get rid of that political factor.
17:37 < emeraldgreen> Well any cryptocoin has its maintainers and upgrade politics
17:38 < kanzure> not really. the politics is the result of confusion. it's not a necessary component.
17:46 < emeraldgreen> so are you against politically-driven hard forks? But aren't these possible in any cryptocurrency ?
17:47 < emeraldgreen> I mean who can stop people from simultaneously changing their node's code
17:48 < emeraldgreen> if I understand correctly with a hard-fork it is possible to change the blockchain growth rules in any way, i.e. count some transactions as some that didn't happen, or add new ones. But the majority has to agree by upgrading their nodes.
17:49 < emeraldgreen> // sleepy
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18:09 < kanzure> emeraldgreen: i believe that core developers have a duty to be conservative with respect to the changes that they release and advocate for adoption.
18:09 < kanzure> this also includes a duty to minimize downtime, network disruption, and so on. longer timelines for risky upgrades are very important. and less risky upgrades should be preferred.
18:10 < kanzure> generally the bitcoin core developers strongly prefer soft-forks, although admittedly a hard-fork might be a possibility one day (but certainly not in a political environment in response to whining etc.)
18:11 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/news/lights-camera-crispr-biologists-use-gene-editing-to-store-movies-in-dna-1.22288
18:11 < kanzure> "The team introduced the DNA into E. coli at a rate of one frame per day for five days. The researchers then sequenced the CRISPR regions in a population of bacteria to recover the image."
18:11 < kanzure> why not just write all the frames into a single dna molecule and introduce in like <1 day
18:15 < emeraldgreen> kanzure seems like a sensible position for a stable cryptocurrency, ok
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18:53 < adlai> emeraldgreen: run a joinmarket node
18:53 < adlai> as in, offer liquidity, assuming you have any
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