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[~user@92.222.68.248] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:09 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:16 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@92.222.68.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:17 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@92.222.68.248] has quit [Client Quit] 03:46 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:13 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:50 < kanzure> https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/08/02/engineering-solutions-to-hard-program-analysis-problems/ 06:32 -!- luisjustin [~LuisJusti@2804:7f4:f980:6fe9:1c00:9d44:f0da:508c] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:32 < luisjustin> Hi have a brazilian biohacker here ? 06:39 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:40 < kanzure> not quite 06:41 < nanotube> kanzure: not that i'm aware of. 06:41 < kanzure> hi. what? 06:41 < kanzure> oh, reddit stuff. 06:41 < luisjustin> This is forWhat is this group about? 06:45 < kanzure> luisjustin: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap 06:48 < luisjustin> Thanks 06:51 < luisjustin> I am looking for biohackers in Brazil because I have a laboratory but I look for members and investors to help in the growth of the laboratory. 06:52 < kanzure> what would the investors get? 06:55 < luisjustin> What of electrical appliances at the moment is access to our laboratory, the use of equipment and reagents (in reagents, approximately 450 different types) 06:56 < kanzure> what projects are you working on? 06:57 < luisjustin> We have a bio chemical analyzer that we need an investment to fix, we have greenhouses, we have several glassware and materials to work with, we have water distillers and other equipment 06:58 < luisjustin> At the moment I am not in any project but here in Brazil like CBT I did a project but it was not anything related to biology or genetics but to chemistry 06:59 < luisjustin> We have material to deal with microbiology and reagents 06:59 -!- michael__ [~michael@static-68-235-53-62.cust.tzulo.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 < kanzure> i see. 07:00 < luisjustin> I'm looking forward to starting a project with plants but I'm still planning and studying more about it 07:06 < luisjustin> And we also have a complete workshop with metallurgical materials and we also have another electronic laboratory already equipped 07:18 -!- RebelCoder [~Yuriy@5.134.222.156] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:39 -!- jenelizabeth__ [~jenelizab@cpc76794-brmb10-2-0-cust542.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- jenelizabeth_ [~jenelizab@cpc76794-brmb10-2-0-cust542.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:45 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:47 < kanzure> i figured out how to get around the "git commit -S" problem (where a timestamp times out). basically, always use "git commit", and apply a signature and timestamp with "git commit --amend -S". the commit message wont be lost if the timestamping operation fails. 08:00 -!- maaku [~mark@173.234.25.100] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:07 -!- maaku [~mark@173.234.25.100] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- michael__ [~michael@static-68-235-53-62.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:33 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:37 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufjnlkmpbmtzptgu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:01 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:12 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:32 < nmz787> luisjustin: sounds pretty good :) 09:32 < luisjustin> hi 09:34 < luisjustin> It is good problem and lack of money for some equipment and fix the main equipment or biochemical analyzer 09:35 < nmz787> you could always work on finding people (scientists, engineers, hackers) who can manage to fix the equipment, but that means you need to be able to guide them on such processes 09:36 < nmz787> if you don't know much electronics yourself, then it might not work 09:38 < luisjustin> The problem of my equipment and the parts available from a manufacturer so it is the problem that has like pieces of products with scraped codes. 09:44 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:56 -!- luisjustin [~LuisJusti@2804:7f4:f980:6fe9:1c00:9d44:f0da:508c] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:43 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:53 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:13 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:17 -!- TC is now known as Guest33404 12:20 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29 < kanzure> .title http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7592-17 12:29 < yoleaux> CFTC Grants DCO Registration to LedgerX LLC 12:40 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:42 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/889571144847765509 12:42 < yoleaux> @CFTC has just granted DCO (clearinghouse) registration to @LedgerX for bitcoin! http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7592-17 (@kanzure) 12:43 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 < nmz787> kanzure: so what does that mean you can do now? can I use LedgerX for some service now? 12:46 < kanzure> for now we are only offering service to institutions 12:46 < kanzure> essentially we are the first fully-regulated bitcoin options exchange + clearinghouse 12:46 < nmz787> I only know about "publishers clearinghouse" which was some scammy sweepstakes junkmail spam when I was a kid 12:46 < nmz787> .wik clearinghouse 12:47 < yoleaux> "Clearing house or Clearinghouse may refer to:" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearinghouse 12:47 < kanzure> nmz787: look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_%26_Clearing_Corporation 12:47 < nmz787> .wik 12:47 < yoleaux> Search for an article on Wikipedia 12:51 < kanzure> https://www.coindesk.com/start-hedging-ledgerx-begin-trading-cryptocurrency-derivatives/ 13:01 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/CFTC/status/889571945309720584 13:01 < yoleaux> Today, @CFTC grants DCO Registration to LedgerX LLC. https://go.usa.gov/xRkUG (@CFTC) 13:24 < kanzure> https://ledgerx.com/introducing-ledgerx/ 13:52 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 < JayDugger> Congratulations, kanzure. 14:28 < JayDugger> (re: LedgerX) 14:31 < kanzure> thank you. 14:36 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@static-98-114-202-142.phlapa.ftas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:23 -!- maaku [~mark@173.234.25.100] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:26 -!- maaku [~mark@173.234.25.100] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:47 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50 -!- preview [~quassel@103.23.18.14] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:19 < Iriez> congrats on the DCO kanzure! 16:22 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:26 < kanzure> thank you :-) 16:29 -!- up_dn [~up_dn@s1349015191.blix.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:37 -!- up_dn [~up_dn@s1349015191.blix.com] has quit [Quit: up_dn] 16:44 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:56 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@static-98-114-202-142.phlapa.ftas.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:08 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:24 < kanzure> Asterion: greetings. 17:26 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufjnlkmpbmtzptgu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:27 -!- Rmesil8O4b[m] [rmesil8o4b@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jzvffiykjtlqhmyo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 < Asterion> howdy kanzure 17:49 < kanzure> what brings you here? 18:08 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 < maaku> https://boards.greenhouse.io/blockstream/jobs/686711#.WXadzSeRXCI 18:25 < maaku> skills might overlap with some people here ^ 18:25 < kanzure> yeah if you're thinking of working there, it should be fun. 18:25 < kanzure> oh wait. you're maaku. 18:26 < kanzure> i thought you were asking about it :-) 18:27 < gwillen> hahaha 18:27 < gwillen> I am actually in the middle ohttps://boards.greenhouse.io/blockstream/jobs/686711#.WXadzSeRXCI 18:27 < gwillen> darnit, I have clipboard problems. That is, in the middle of a conversation about that position and what it will do :-) 18:27 < gwillen> So if anybody's curious I'd be happy to talk about it. 18:28 < maaku> congrats on the DCO registration, kanzure 18:28 < kanzure> well just be sure to collect hsm requirements from me at some point, i'd love to consider other hsm tech. 18:28 < kanzure> maaku: thank you :-). 18:29 < maaku> kanzure: I would like HSM requirements from you for other reasons 18:33 < kanzure> cool 18:33 < kanzure> you can have 'em. 18:34 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36 < Asterion> hm, I guess I'm here because I'm having a hard time finding people with similar interests, locally 18:36 < Asterion> but that's probably just bc I'm a noob 18:36 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:59 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02 < kanzure> eliezer's stuff is starting to sound an awful lot like pleas for world peace. 19:03 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 < kanzure> jrayhawk: remote: error: cannot lock ref 'HEAD': Unable to create '/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git/HEAD.lock': Permission denied 19:17 < jrayhawk> Oh, right, git developers are jackasses 19:17 < jrayhawk> just a second 19:20 < jrayhawk> Try now 19:21 < jrayhawk> https://public-inbox.org/git/148971018136.2144.12683278043600094739@richardiv.omgwallhack.org/ for background 19:23 < kanzure> worked 19:23 < kanzure> gnusha log bot is dead tho 19:23 < kanzure> remote: 2017/07/24 19:23:06 socat[25932] E connect(5, AF=1 "/home/gnusha/.irssi/socket", 28): Connection refused 19:24 < jrayhawk> their statement of "of course --shared isn't completely uselessly insecure, that's what git-shell is for!" was followed up a month later with https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-8386 19:24 < jrayhawk> words cannot describe the stupidity 19:26 < jrayhawk> oh yeah, irssi does not like starting directly from a dtach with no environment for some reason 19:26 < jrayhawk> ncurses probably wants a real pty --- Log opened Mon Jul 24 19:27:51 2017 19:27 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@bryan.fairlystable.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:27 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - george church 19:27 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Wed May 20 12:46:25 2015] 19:27 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 19:27 [ abetusk ] [ Dumuzi ] [ kuldeep ] [ rk[ghost] ] 19:27 [ adlai ] [ dustinm ] [ maaku ] [ Rmesil8O4b[m]] 19:27 [ AgenttiX ] [ EnabrinTain ] [ Madars ] [ sachy ] 19:27 [ altersid ] [ ensign ] [ Malvolio ] [ sandeepkr ] 19:27 [ andytoshi ] [ 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19:27 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 91 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 91 normal] 19:27 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 19:27 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 8 secs 19:28 < jrayhawk> uh 19:28 < jrayhawk> okay, so what was the fix for cloaking 19:29 < kanzure> remove sasl script, re-enter sasl config (you can steal it from the current sasl config file) using irssi commands and then /save 19:29 < kanzure> i mean, the current sasl config file for the bot 19:30 < kanzure> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/irssi 19:30 < jrayhawk> thanks --- Log closed Mon Jul 24 19:32:55 2017 --- Log opened Mon Jul 24 19:33:01 2017 19:33 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:33 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | 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] [ ensign ] [ juri_ ] [ pasky ] [ saurik ] [ yorick ] 19:33 [ bkero ] [ entity8421[m]] [ justan0theruser] [ pent ] [ sivoais ] 19:33 [ blueskin ] [ ExeciN ] [ juul ] [ pompolic ] [ soylentbomb ] 19:33 [ BobaMa ] [ fenn ] [ kanzure ] [ preview ] [ strages ] 19:33 [ Burnin8 ] [ gnusha ] [ kuldeep ] [ Qfwfq ] [ streety ] 19:33 [ c0rw1n ] [ Guest33404 ] [ maaku ] [ QuadIgni ] [ superkuh ] 19:33 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 91 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 91 normal] 19:33 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 19:33 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 12 secs 19:36 < jrayhawk> i am not sure how to fake a pty from a cron @reboot 19:37 < jrayhawk> Oh, I guess it just needs a TERM 19:37 < jrayhawk> much easier 19:38 < kanzure> yesssss 19:40 < jrayhawk> i kinda wish ncurses would just default to xterm --- Log closed Mon Jul 24 19:42:53 2017 --- Log opened Mon Jul 24 19:44:51 2017 19:44 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined 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[~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:45 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - george church 19:45 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Wed May 20 12:46:25 2015] 19:45 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 19:45 [ abetusk ] [ Dumuzi ] [ kuldeep ] [ rk[ghost] ] 19:45 [ adlai ] [ dustinm ] [ maaku ] [ Rmesil8O4b[m]] 19:45 [ AgenttiX ] [ EnabrinTain ] [ Madars ] [ sachy ] 19:45 [ altersid ] [ ensign ] [ Malvolio ] [ sandeepkr ] 19:45 [ andytoshi ] [ entity8421[m] ] [ marciogm ] [ satori_ ] 19:45 [ anonnumberanon] [ ExeciN ] [ mf1008 ] [ saurik ] 19:45 [ archels_ ] [ fenn ] [ midnightmagic] [ sivoais ] 19:45 [ Asterion ] [ gnusha ] [ mrdata ] [ soylentbomb ] 19:45 [ augur ] [ Guest33404 ] [ nanotube ] [ strages ] 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19:45 < kanzure> not you 19:50 < jrayhawk> :D 19:55 < ybit> jrayhawk: have you seen pijul? 19:56 < ybit> sounds nice, hopefully it gains momentum 19:56 < ybit> that was re:git devs are jackasses 19:56 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1] 19:57 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Client Quit] 20:01 < maaku> kanzure: eliezer is still writing? 20:01 < kanzure> dunno 20:01 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:01 < kanzure> i think he posts on facebook 20:01 < kanzure> it just occurred to me though that his ai safety stuff is basically world peace. 20:02 < maaku> world peace enforced by a benevolent (by someone's definition) dictator 20:02 < maaku> :( to facebook 20:02 < kanzure> (someone was trying to argue to me today the virtues of politics. it was quite hilarious. the person seems to believe that human action requires consensus w/ other humans.) 20:02 < kanzure> maaku: have i ever got you to read this one yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwuGKIaZkBE 20:02 < kanzure> er... i mean http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/futurism/Who%20steers%20who%20steers%3f%20A%20note%20on%20identifying%20vulnerable%20moral%20propensities.pdf 20:03 < maaku> No, thanks for the link! 20:04 < kanzure> i don't know how surprised i should be that there really are people who think that politics is a good idea 20:04 < maaku> this rayhawk is a relation to jrayhawk I presume? 20:04 < kanzure> family 20:04 < maaku> kanzure: that would be most people who've taken a civics brainwashing course 20:05 < kanzure> it was someone arguing to me the virtues of hard-forking a block size and why you're evil for working for blockstream :-) 20:05 < kanzure> the funny thing is that my apolitical views were from before bitcoin 20:05 < kanzure> so.... 20:05 < maaku> well, I am evil, but for other reasons... 20:05 < kanzure> right 20:06 < kanzure> i was accused of hubris for the news today but i was like wtf at least pick something good from my list http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap 20:07 < maaku> hahaha 20:07 < jrayhawk> wait, they accused you of hubris for your actualized hurdling? 20:07 < jrayhawk> this is confusing 20:07 < jrayhawk> i don't think it's presumptuous if it's already happened 20:08 < jrayhawk> it's postsumpuous if anything 20:08 < kanzure> yeah because regulation and evils of trying to fix broken finance systems 20:08 < jrayhawk> postsumptuous 20:09 < kanzure> i tried to use https://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2008-August/044716.html to explain some background but that didn't quite work 20:11 < kanzure> > It is pointless to talk about whether stopping technology is good 20:11 < kanzure> > or bad, because someone will simply build a technology that will 20:11 < kanzure> > invalidate your argument. 20:12 < jrayhawk> ybit: I'll add it to the mental list of things to fail to look at. 20:12 < kanzure> > Transhumanism is a radically antihumanist position 20:12 < kanzure> > in which human agency or will—if it even exists—is not ontologically 20:13 < kanzure> > distinct from the agency of machines and animals and life itself. 20:13 < kanzure> (although i'm not convinced it's anti-humanist. bah.) 20:13 < kanzure> (or rather, anti-humanitarian?) 20:13 < jrayhawk> At a glance, I am confused why they're complaining about the three-way merge strategy in git and then deciding to write their own VCS instead of just writing a merge strategy for git. 20:13 < kanzure> jrayhawk: yes perhaps you can add pijul right after fossil in your list 20:15 < jrayhawk> and bzr, and arch, and darcs 20:15 < jrayhawk> and mercurial 20:15 < kanzure> bzr is pretty old. if you wait long enough perhaps your entire list will be deprecated before you have to look at all. 20:15 < jrayhawk> It's worked so far! 20:18 < jrayhawk> and nix sorta qualifies 20:19 < kanzure> maybe just wait until linus gets annoyed enough to write his own version of nix 20:19 < jrayhawk> as do quite a lot of this new generation of merkle-tree backup tools (bup, borg, obnam, attic) 20:20 < kanzure> if ralph merkle hears a tree fall in a forest, will anyone be around to make a commitment to as much? 20:21 < kanzure> maaku: i think i heard you in http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2017-07-08-bram-cohen-merkle-sets/ 20:21 < jrayhawk> an immutability guarantee is violated and the whole tree becomes invalid 20:21 < jrayhawk> the sound of the merkle tree falling is that of a vacuum implosion where the tree once was 20:22 < kanzure> ah a merkleized tree. 20:23 < jrayhawk> merkle cavitation 20:24 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:31 -!- preview [~quassel@103.23.18.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:32 < jrayhawk> also i am not sure you want linus torvalds writing more utilities 20:39 < jrayhawk> git was nigh-unusable for its first year or two (until pasky's UI features were finally merged in) and has a legacy of bad architectural problems (unreplacable hash algorithm, insane filesystem layout, 00000000 as a special-case hash in plumbing, transport-specific manifests, etc.) haunting it to this day. 20:39 < jrayhawk> there's a reason git is mostly centralized on one third-party service 20:41 < jrayhawk> oh yeah, and git-annex-style symbolic checkout really should've been built into the object system 20:42 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:42 < jrayhawk> (and that one third-party service is almost certainly using basically none of the canonical git tooling) 20:44 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/zooko/status/889691717808664576 20:44 < yoleaux> @zachdex @kanzure Way to go! Congrats! I remember having lunch with you guys and thinking this will be awesome when/if you get the registration. Finally! (@zooko, in reply to tw:889572468574367745) 20:44 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:44 < jrayhawk> how many of zookos channels are you still banned on 20:45 < kanzure> i think all of them 20:45 < kanzure> not sure 20:45 < kanzure> what about you? 20:46 < jrayhawk> haven't checked 20:46 -!- mrdata_ is now known as mrdata 20:46 < kanzure> life is so rough 21:06 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:12 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:51 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:54 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:12 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:21 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twevqubttsygqibt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:30 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:36 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:47 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:51 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-189-251-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:53 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Jul 25 00:00:30 2017