--- Log opened Thu Jul 27 00:00:32 2017 00:03 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:29 < kanzure> yep. 00:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:39 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@92.222.68.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43 < kanzure> "I can't speak for all the genes on that list, but I wouldn't go around knocking out FUT2 just yet. We don't know the full extent of biological roles for it, and the functionality is probably redundantly encoded in multiple genes too. Specifically for viral interactions I reckon you'd be better off designing a small molecule inhibitor of viral binding to via whatever lectin they have to ... 00:43 < kanzure> ...whichever protein the sugar that FUT2 glycosylates is attached to. This allows for much more precise targeting of the undesired behaviour, rather than just chopping out the whole gene." 00:43 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14863351 00:44 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e109cd80 Bryan Bishop: include HN commentary link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ 00:45 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:51 < kanzure> i attempt to read english and write latenight reply to someone claiming vaccines are the peak of our biotech/engineering success stories https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14861743 00:53 < kanzure> "Perhaps I am up too late and don't completely understand where your question is coming from... but there's a lot of hope available in biology because DNA is one of the most successfully widely deployed technologies of the last 4 billion years. It's had hundreds of trillions of years being battletested in production environments. It's cheap to copy, replicate and eventually it will be cheap ... 00:53 < kanzure> ...to modify and write. Literally everyone is (badly?) programmed with DNA-- and CRISPR isn't the last word on genome engineering. There will absolutely be changes that large chunks of the population will *demand*, far and beyond the demand for vaccines." 01:08 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:35 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:57 < maaku> kanzure: there was a Mtgox withdraw replacement bug that resulted in the theft of 6k coins in the last days of the exchange 01:58 < maaku> but that was a total red herring. what appears to have happened is that the withdraw replacement thief emptied the hot wallet (which was already almost empty), and when they went to fill it up from cold storage that hadn't been touched in years, it was empty 01:59 < maaku> Mark seems to think still claim that these are connected, but they are not. The cold storage was empty for years and no one bothered to check. 02:06 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:19 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@71-35-181-85.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:47 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@71-35-181-85.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:47 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:57 -!- jtimon [~quassel@14.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:57 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:03 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:16 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:44 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05 < nsh> derp derp derp derp 04:22 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:23 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:28 < kanzure> maaku: thanks. greg mentioend to me yesterday that someone did an upper bounds analysis of how much could have been lost to malleability or something, didn't know about that before. 04:32 < kanzure> anyone feel like fielding a question about genome engineering and gene editing? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14863769 04:33 < kanzure> answer is quite simple, so i think almost all of you could get it: repetitions are hard, some "enhancements" can be done with a single nucleotide flip, etc. 04:40 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:44 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:44 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:01 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:18 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:27 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:29 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:30 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:38 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4026:49b:aa53:f0af:a741] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:54 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:56 < kanzure> "Biologically plausible learning in recurrent neural networks reproduces neural dynamics observed during cognitive tasks" http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/02/22/057729 05:57 < kanzure> "An optogenetic toolbox for unbiased discovery of functionally connected cells in neural circuits" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-00160-z https://twitter.com/bakermind/status/889934037027930112 05:58 < kanzure> "Optical imaging approaches have revolutionized our ability to monitor neural network dynamics, but by themselves are unable to link a neuron’s activity to its functional connectivity. We present a versatile genetic toolbox, termed ‘Optobow’, for all-optical discovery of excitatory connections in vivo. By combining the Gal4-UAS system with Cre/lox recombination, we target the ... 05:58 < kanzure> ...optogenetic actuator ChrimsonR and the sensor GCaMP6 to stochastically labeled, nonoverlapping and sparse subsets of neurons. Photostimulation of single cells using two-photon computer-generated holography evokes calcium responses in downstream neurons. Morphological reconstruction of neurite arbors, response latencies and localization of presynaptic markers suggest that some neuron pairs ... 05:58 < kanzure> ...recorded here are directly connected, while others are two or more synapses apart from each other. With this toolbox, we discover wiring principles between specific cell types in the larval zebrafish tectum. Optobow should be useful for identification and manipulation of networks of interconnected neurons, even in dense neural tissues." 05:59 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/Addgene/status/888431974012129281 05:59 < yoleaux> New Viral Vectors available: #optogenetics Chrimson & Chronos channelrhodopsins AAV5 serotype via @eboyden3 http://hubs.ly/H0880zV0 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFRYK-yXgAAUdjf.jpg (@Addgene) 06:00 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/eboyden3/status/888389572123664386 06:00 < yoleaux> The Media Lab now has a clean room for microfabrication, thanks to @dagdevirencanan https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFQxjA_XoAA_SJI.jpg (@eboyden3) 06:10 < kanzure> .title http://snyderlab.com/2017/07/21/neurofutures-conference-2017/ 06:10 < yoleaux> Neurofutures Conference 2017 06:17 < kanzure> that was a 64x expanded/embiggened mouse brain. 06:26 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- RebelCoder [~Yuriy@5.134.222.156] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:47 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:17 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:22 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdzkbnjzhzdhfjbc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:27 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:41 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:44 < maaku> kanzure: I believe it was in the earlier wizsec analysis. i was quoting from memory and the 6k number could be wrong, but it was that order of magnitude 07:45 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:45 < maaku> whereas 100x as much was stolen / laundered through btc-e from the cold wallet 07:46 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:51 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:56 < kanzure> yudzilla hehehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXARrMadTKk 07:56 < kanzure> henceforth i shall now refer to eliezer yudkowsky as yudzilla 08:05 < JayDugger> Which era: Showa, Heisei, or Millennium? 08:05 < kanzure> just how old are you 08:06 < JayDugger> I was brainwashed by the local independent TV station playing Godzilla movie marathons summer weekends when I was 8 and 9. 08:06 < kanzure> this places you as born somewhere in the 1900s 08:07 < JayDugger> Not earlier than 1943, then, given my previous claim. 08:08 < JayDugger> Excuse me, not earlier than 1946. 08:11 < kanzure> is flight training going to switch to hololens? 08:14 < JayDugger> Depends on which company you mean. My now-former employer will only do it after enough customers complain, and then will wait another hardware generation before they do it. 08:15 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:15 < JayDugger> Some airlines, American Airlines for one (rumor), already have it for maintenance training. 08:16 < JayDugger> Something about it taking less effort to disassemble the virtual model of a gas turbine vice disassembling a gas turbine. 08:16 < JayDugger> Not to mention trivial things like the cost of shipping decommissioned turbines between schools for classroom props. 08:17 < JayDugger> Customs agencies like to charge duties on the basis of "that's a jet engine" and not "that's scrap metal usable only for training." 08:18 < JayDugger> Long ago, Link had a gaze tracking system that would apply a higher-resolution patch of video where ever the students looked in the simulator. I've heard of that several times, but I doubt it ever worked very well. 08:19 < JayDugger> Finally, there's some overlap between AR in modern fighter cockpits and AR more generally, but I doubt that Hololens will replace actual flight equipment in training in that use case. 08:20 < kanzure> i was thinking about extracting (VR/AR) training scenarios from youtube videos with some simple machine learning technique but the problem is that most engine components would have to be loaded from an external library-- i really doubt it would be easy to extract 3d models of engine components from blurry youtube videos. but otherwise i think instructors/hands could be captured and 3dized ... 08:20 < kanzure> ...automatically. 08:20 < JayDugger> Perhaps for cockpit design, but the actual flight gear would have advantages in fidelity that you couldn't get with a substitute. Equipment mass for one thing, and latency for a more important second. 08:21 < kanzure> yes it seems like the training cockpits will still have to exist anyway. 08:22 < JayDugger> Now that's an interesting idea, and it would allow extant libraries of videos to get reused by their current owners. 08:22 < JayDugger> The videos usually come from the manufacturers, although a big enough company will have its own. 08:23 < kanzure> well if they have videos they should have the models anyway... so just use the models. 08:23 < JayDugger> I don't know enough about the design end to say, but I imagine most parts already have models, yes. Exporting from Catia or whatever, but yes. 08:24 < kanzure> i'm not really convinced that AR/VR offers anything over catia's 3d part viewer-- you can already flip around different components and explode the assembly. 08:25 < JayDugger> Perhaps there'd exist some pedagogical advantage in a classroom setting, but how you'd tell the difference between "this works better" and "this is novel and neat"? 08:27 < kanzure> hm? i have never spun around a model in catia and said to myself "what i really need is a giant headset to see the lines better". 08:27 < JayDugger> Cheaper some ways than decommissioned parts, but that doesn't necessarily improve training. 08:28 < JayDugger> Fair enough. I imagine an instructor spinning a life-size model of a part in a view common to all the students in the classroom. 08:29 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:30 -!- sachy [~sachy@nat.brmlab.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:36 < kanzure> "Given the Mendelian genetic lottery, the kids produced by any one couple typically differ by 5 to 15 IQ points" 08:36 < kanzure> :farts: 08:38 < kanzure> what? 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13:01 < emeraldgreen> why not create a zeronet scihub app ? 13:01 < kanzure> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/sci-hub-s-cache-pirated-papers-so-big-subscription-journals-are-doomed-data-analyst 13:01 < kanzure> emeraldgreen: she is against mirroring her content like that. 13:01 < kanzure> emeraldgreen: that's why it hasn't happened already. 13:01 < emeraldgreen> kanzure wow, but the torrent is out there 13:01 < kanzure> not for the scimag content.... 13:01 < kanzure> i mean not for the scihub content 13:08 < fenn> why against mirroring? 13:08 < kanzure> she wants to control the access in her own way 13:08 < kanzure> why do you think we don't already have 10 copies of this shit? 13:08 < emeraldgreen> kanzure I have seen these torrents though I didn't dump these then 13:08 < emeraldgreen> kanzure it's 12 TB, people are too busy to download this 13:09 < kanzure> no, i have asked, i have offered her money, i have done a bunch 13:09 < kanzure> she absolutely refuses 13:09 < emeraldgreen> I think there is a way to find the torrents, either in archives OR with searching for pdf hashes in DHT search engine, e.g. skytorrents.in 13:10 < emeraldgreen> there is a 1000 or so of torrents, each hash could let us find one of them (on average) 13:10 -!- jtimon [~quassel@14.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12 < emeraldgreen> HEHE https://www.skytorrents.in/info/5ffa4495cddce5a34bae6f19d5bb13a0f6d4871a/The-Library-Genesis-SciMag-Repository-2015-01-31-torrents-only/?l=en-us 13:13 < emeraldgreen> I don't have these terabytes to download it though. I could spin a VM, but ... 13:15 < kanzure> that's scimag, not scihub-- scihub has 55M papers 13:22 < emeraldgreen> So there is no way to download the whole scihub, except maybe slim chance to find their own torrent backups in the DHT (doubt they practice these) or merely buy an army of proxies to download them as usual (hard and costly) 13:24 < emeraldgreen> ... or someone could *fund* a *side-channel venture* to *copy* these torrents from were they are, but this is risky 13:25 < fenn> maybe easier to copy from the publishers 13:42 < kanzure> some publishers have begun to add captchas 13:42 < kanzure> alright i just got off the hgp-write intellectual property working group call. 13:43 < kanzure> *patent all the things* 13:45 < emeraldgreen> kanzure facebook has done hell of a stunt with its react license in relation to patents. And react is everywhere 13:46 < emeraldgreen> couldn't some biology software devs do the same trick lol "if you use our software you agree not to sue us over any patents you have" 13:47 < nmz787> just brute-force download it all 13:47 < nmz787> scrape it 13:47 < kanzure> she blocks IP addresses that do that. 13:47 < emeraldgreen> nmz787 need to calculate the economics of that 13:47 < nmz787> what are they going to do, open a lawsuit? 13:48 < nmz787> kanzure: botnet 13:48 < emeraldgreen> Well, these 4M papers are a start 13:48 < nmz787> kanzure: it could even be an advertised project like fold@home 13:49 < nmz787> or some shim bookmarklet, that anytime users download from sci-hub, it tees off to the new cache 13:53 < emeraldgreen> one could make a browser extension 13:55 -!- jtimon [~quassel@14.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08 < kanzure> i'd realy rather just have her give me the files.... why the hell do we need to write a botnet to steal from scihub? *sigh* 14:09 < kanzure> but she keeps insisting "no" 14:11 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 < cluckj> steal from scihub is a really ridiculous phrase 14:13 < cluckj> it is weird that she doesn't want to distribute it, I wonder what is behind that? maybe she is protecting folks from lawsuits? 14:15 < kanzure> her motivation is that she would prefer to continue to be the operator 14:15 < kanzure> it's her project. 14:16 < cluckj> :/ 14:21 < kanzure> yeah.... 14:23 < kanzure> "Sci-Hub provides access to nearly all scholarly literature" https://peerj.com/preprints/3100/ 14:24 < kanzure> "However, until now, the extent of Sci-Hub's coverage was unclear. As of March 2017, we find that Sci-Hub's database contains 68.9% of all 81.6 million scholarly articles, which rises to 85.2% for those published in closed access journals. Furthermore, Sci-Hub contains 77.0% of the 5.2 million articles published by inactive journals. Coverage varies by discipline, with 92.8% coverage of ... 14:24 < kanzure> ...articles in chemistry journals compared to 76.3% for computer science. Coverage also varies by publisher, with the coverage of the largest publisher, Elsevier, at 97.3%. Our interactive browser at https://greenelab.github.io/scihub allows users to explore these findings in more detail. Finally, we estimate that over a six-month period in 2015–2016, Sci-Hub provided access for 99.3% of valid ... 14:24 < kanzure> ...incoming requests. Hence, the scope of this resource suggests the subscription publishing model is becoming unsustainable. For the first time, the overwhelming majority of scholarly literature is available gratis to anyone with an Internet connection." 14:24 < cluckj> holy hell 14:30 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 247 seconds] 14:40 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:54 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54 < fenn> i don't care who operates it, so long as there isn't a single point of failure 14:57 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:59 -!- augur [~augur@104.236.181.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:15 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:18 < kanzure> it's definitely single point of failure territory 15:18 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 < kanzure> .title https://kelu124.gitbooks.io/echomods/content/RPI.html 15:21 < yoleaux> An open-source Raspberry Pi ultrasound imaging platform · Hacking ultrasound with a DIY dev kit 15:21 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14869138 15:25 < kanzure> hm am i wrong about scihub cache on libgen not containing full scihub library 15:34 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 -!- Iriez [wario@distribution.xbins.org] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:41 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41 -!- thundara_ [~thundara@104.236.109.149] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 -!- thundara [~thundara@104.236.109.149] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:41 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:41 -!- altersid_ [~pa@ns305903.ip-91-121-222.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42 -!- sivoais_ [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- juri__ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- docl_ [~docl@159.203.115.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- jrayhawk_ [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- berndj [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:42 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:42 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-96-241-130-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:42 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42 -!- docl [~docl@159.203.115.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42 -!- BobaMa_ [bobama@kapsi.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- berndj [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- altersid [~pa@ns305903.ip-91-121-222.eu] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:43 -!- BobaMa [bobama@kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-96-241-130-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- Iriez [wario@distribution.xbins.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:03 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:04 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:17 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:18 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:51 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:13 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:34 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@92.222.68.248] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:53 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:11 < docl_> fenn: here's a picture of what I'm thinking of wrt the pulser string space launch idea https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WNUFEDUTNmAJjNWrR1PYPb2e1MTMUIGABdyaf-19Lno 18:11 -!- docl_ is now known as docl 18:16 < docl> the previous idea I was thinking of was to attempt to couple to a track magnetically. using ion plumes adds the prospect of having more distance between the mass in orbit and the payload. 18:17 < docl> if the ion pulsers are lined up, you could have them arranged to pulse at closest approach. individually it would be brief, but high acceleration. 18:20 < docl> one thing I'm not very sure about is how much the ions would tend to spread out along the way and thus not reach the payload to impact against it. 18:21 -!- augur [~augur@104.236.181.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21 < mrdata-> would ions spread out? 18:22 < mrdata-> there is a force holding the beam together 18:22 < maaku> .tell emeraldgreen you mean like this? https://blockstream.com/2016/07/19/blockstream-defensive-patent-strategy.html 18:22 < yoleaux> maaku: I'll pass your message to emeraldgreen. 18:22 < docl> I think so? if not, you could use ion beams to carve your name on the moon, which seems unlikely 18:24 -!- augur [~augur@104.236.181.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:25 < docl> also, there's probably a reason you can't send ion beams through the atmosphere and e.g. shoot a satellite out of the sky 18:25 < mrdata-> a moving charge has a magnetic field; the current of the field tends to guide the group 18:25 < maaku> kanzure: how'd it go on the ip call? 18:26 < mrdata-> docl, i wouldnt bet on that. you can fire a laser to ionize a column of air and then carry a charge along it to the target 18:27 < mrdata-> still tricky to accomplish 18:27 < docl> oh, here's something maybe relevant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Beam_Shepherd 18:28 < docl> stationkeeping was what michael turner (the guy who suggested this to me) was saying could be an early application for this, so it makes sense that someone has thought of doing that. 18:29 -!- augur [~augur@104.236.181.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29 < maaku> also alexandra is beyond reckless. she's going to get herself detined and extradited and her servers seized 18:29 < maaku> and then where are we going to be? 18:30 < nmz787> same place as before? 18:30 < docl> it's mirrored all over the place isn't it? 18:30 < nmz787> except we had a good ride while it lasted... 18:31 < maaku> docl: no, see scrollback 18:31 < maaku> "kanzure: I want to mirror scihub; alexandra: nope" 18:33 < mrdata-> you might enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg9BRaI_exo&feature=push-u&attr_tag=Vbkh2Yk_PWLDmB5h-6 18:34 < docl> mrdata-: just finished watching that 18:35 < mrdata-> :) 18:37 < nmz787> .title 18:37 < yoleaux> Force Fields - YouTube 18:37 < docl> happy isaac arthursday :) 18:50 -!- jtimon [~quassel@14.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:02 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:05 < docl> my sense from the papers on ion beam shepherding is that ion plumes tend to fade after 10-20 meters or so. further if the target is really big. I'd be more confident if I knew it could work at 1km or more. 19:09 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:20 < mrdata-> docl, it is interesting to hear boyd bushman talk about this 19:20 < mrdata-> senior scientist at lockheed martin skunkworks 19:21 < mrdata-> he claims to be able to disable a tank km away, with a device about the size of a briefcase 19:22 < docl> like this patent? https://www.google.com/patents/US6347509 19:27 < docl> I'm not seeing a lot of google hits for his name and ion thrusters. apparently he's famous for believing in ufos or something. 19:29 < maaku> docl: considering that he created most of the UFOs, I'm sure he does believe in them ;) 19:30 < docl> heh 19:36 -!- g0d355__ [~lmao@104.131.75.159] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:48 < mrdata-> docl, perhaps this? https://www.google.com/patents/US5929732 19:50 < mrdata-> do this right, and the particle beam will be carried right to the target 20:08 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:14 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@wsip-24-234-80-117.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- augur_ [~augur@104.236.181.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:07 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-166-215.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:14 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:27 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:52 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@wsip-24-234-80-117.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.15.66] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:24 < aeiousomething> test 22:24 < aeiousomething> Hello. 22:29 < mrdata> hi 22:42 < aeiousomething> hello mrdata 22:43 < aeiousomething> is this channel always so quiet 22:51 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52 * mrdata shrugs 23:00 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1] 23:01 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:08 -!- augur_ [~augur@104.236.181.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.15.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17 < maaku> and, he's gone 23:17 < maaku> anyone got some good coding music? 23:23 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:26 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@124.123.15.66] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:26 < aeiousomething> clear 23:26 < aeiousomething> test 23:27 < maaku> aeiousomething: reading you loud and clear 23:27 < aeiousomething> thanks maaku 23:27 < aeiousomething> Idk why I am so excited I discovered this channel to day 23:27 < maaku> welcome :) 23:27 < aeiousomething> so excited I put a space between to and day .. 23:27 < aeiousomething> thanks! 23:28 < mrdata> how ab out that 23:28 < maaku> to answer your earlier question there are occasional bouts of activity but this isn't a constant chat channel 23:28 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@71-35-181-85.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@71-35-181-85.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:28 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:28 < maaku> there's logs, with the URL in the topic if you want to see some of our history (going back years) 23:28 < mrdata> yeah, people idle here, and talk when they have something to say 23:29 < aeiousomething> are pms logged as well 23:29 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:29 < aeiousomething> I got back to IRC after ages idk if that's a silly question 23:29 < maaku> private messages? no those are direct and only logged by your client, maybe 23:30 < aeiousomething> that makes sense.. 23:30 < maaku> it is highly recommended that you setup an IRC bouncer, or access via a remote shell (irssi running on a tmux screen, for example) 23:40 < maaku> aeiousomething: what do you do? 23:44 < aeiousomething> I'm a compsci guy hoping to contribute as I learn a thing or two 23:48 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:48 < maaku> what sort of skills and project interests? 23:52 < aeiousomething> I've got more than a few years of experience so I'd say I can pick up anything that needs work from a software standpoint 23:52 < aeiousomething> project interests can range from possible solutions to ADHD to possible repair of spinal discs 23:58 < aeiousomething> Is there a list of projects somewhere --- Log closed Fri Jul 28 00:00:33 2017