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00:00 < aeiousomething> nevermind I found it
00:14 < maaku> aeiousomething: whatever you found is probably incomplete
00:15 < maaku> I'm a software engineer too, currently busy on bitcoin, and crypto finance and identity problems generally
00:15 < maaku> but when I have time (hah!) I'm interested in applying software tooling (version control, unit tests, continuous integration, fuzz testing, high level languages etc.) to mechanical and chemical hardware designs
00:16 < maaku> I'm sure kanzure will give you a data dump of ADHD ideas
00:16 < maaku> although the standard solution right now is drugs :)
00:24 < aeiousomething> Working no bitcoin for work or for pleasure? crypto finance is super exciting
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00:38 < aeiousomething> the drugs solution seems like a double edged sword.. at least if you're talking about Adderall
00:50 < maaku> aeiousomething: I find racitans to be quite effective as well, and they are unscheduled
00:50 < maaku> not as powerful as Adderall, but less side effects as well
00:51 < maaku> re: bitcoin, both really. I work at Blockstream, a prominent bitcoin company, since its formation. I've made various contributions ot the bitcoin ecosystem through that.
00:52 < maaku> I'm also personally interested in various things that my employer is not currently working on, and doing those either 20% time or on my own time.
00:53 < maaku> There's a disproportionate number of bitcoin people here.
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01:10 < aeiousomething> racitans?
01:10 < aeiousomething> cool that there are a lot of bitcoin folk in here
01:10 < aeiousomething> what do you guys think of xrp
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01:25 < aeiousomething> maaku: any thoughts on Bacopa
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01:49 < maaku> aeiousomething: I'm not familar with Bacopa
01:49 < maaku> xrp is a scam, and probably not on topic
01:56 < aeiousomething> oh well that's good to know
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03:05 < TMA> maaku: did you mean racetams? (like eg. piracetam) not racitans?
03:11 < maaku> TMA: I did, thank you
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03:12 < TMA> you are welcome
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03:16 < maaku> I find 3mg / kg body weight of phenylpiracetam gets about 4-5 hours of focus with nearly no side effects
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03:36 < kanzure> "3d depth reconstruction from a single still image" http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~asaxena/learningdepth/ijcv_monocular3dreconstruction.pdf
03:41 < kanzure> maaku: for coding music i really like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddtkszic4II (metal)
03:41 < maaku> thanks!
03:45 < kanzure> others in that direction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-c8imCPcR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAN3WhjsLiY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoGFB6tsXI
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03:46 < kanzure> anyway the ip workgroup decided to write a paper or something.
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03:57 < aeiousomething> so if you guys think ray kurzweil is a pessimist, what do you think of Elon Musk's thoughts on AI
03:58 < kanzure> aeiousomething: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14831204
04:00 < aeiousomething> The trick is to pick projects that happen to be within budget and interesting enough to everyone involved. <- this is perfect
04:01 < kanzure> aeiousomething: here are some of the things we focus on here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap
04:01 < aeiousomething> I was looking at that kanzure thanks!
04:03 < aeiousomething> kanzure: with nootropics being one of the topics in focus, do you have anything that might be useful for my ADHD...
04:03 < kanzure> i am unusually responsive to adderall, so i just stick to adderall.
04:04 < aeiousomething> I am as well... but there are a few complications
04:04 < aeiousomething> I won't bother you with the list but the only things that matter now are that I'm broke and I moved back to India where Adderall is akin to unicorns
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04:38 < cluckj> kanzure, http://codingvalue.org/ social scientist research group about cryptocurrencies
04:38 < cluckj> pretty extensive bibliography pages, too
04:42 < kanzure> i'm allergic to social anything this week/century, sorry.
04:48 < aeiousomething> lol
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05:32 < cluckj> k
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06:10 < kanzure> https://deepmind.com/blog/producing-flexible-behaviours-simulated-environments/
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06:21 < aeiousomething> test
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08:34 < kanzure> "A survey of BSD kernel vulnerabilities" https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2025/DEF%20CON%2025%20presentations/DEFCON-25-Ilja-van-Sprundel-BSD-Kern-Vulns.pdf
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08:39 < nmz787> .tell aeiousomething isn't provigil pretty cheap in India?
08:39 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to aeiousomething.
08:53 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/890852997894471680
08:53 < yoleaux> @SDLerner To say everyone must take evasive action patch or face disaster is a kind of "death race" attitude "our vehicle is bigger so move or die". (@adam3us, in reply to tw:890851472124129281)
08:53 < kanzure> sounds a lot like yudzilla to me
09:05 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/890964617782079489
09:05 < yoleaux> @TuurDemeester Biggest problem w/ @sci_hub @ringo_ring is only 1 copy, 1 libgen backup, slow torrents -- nobody has full copy yet. she said no to $ too. (@kanzure, in reply to tw:890826755438592000)
09:05 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/bitstein/status/890965299859791874
09:05 < yoleaux> @kanzure @TuurDemeester @Sci_Hub @ringo_ring That's unfortunate. How might this problem be solved? (@bitstein, in reply to tw:890964617782079489)
09:11 < maaku> kanzure: ninjas?
09:12 < maaku> find out where these servers are hosted, ninja our way in, and exfiltrate the data
09:12 < kanzure> yeah we really should..
09:13 < kanzure> supposedly there are torrents but they are not well seeded at all
09:16 < docl> "The high-speed plasma ions (typically xenon) impact the target transferring their ion momentum and thereby producing a force and a torque upon the debris. According to experimental tests and numerical models available in the literature, ~1 keV energy ions penetrate the substrate of a metal such as aluminum a few nanometers and deposit their kinetic energy on the target. The neutralized ions then aband
09:17 < docl> on the surface with debris thermal velocities, which are several times smaller than the incoming ion velocities, and therefore their momentum can be neglected. Backsputtering effects do occur, but the energy of the sputtered material is typically about two orders of magnitude smaller than the one of the incoming ions, so that the contribution to momentum transmission of the backscattered material can a
09:17 < docl> lso be neglected when computing the net force transmitted to the target."
09:17 < docl> https://leosweep.upm.es/en/ibs/ibs-concept-applications/47-working-principles-of-an-ion-beam-shepherd
09:17 < docl> .title
09:17 < yoleaux> LEOSWEEP - Working Principles of an Ion Beam Shepherd
09:17 < kanzure> docl there were some messages in the backlog for you.
09:18 < kanzure> oh maybe you had seen them last time.
09:18 < kanzure> i have difficulty keeping track of everything that everyone has seen and not seen
09:18 < docl> yeah, that was my response to fenn
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09:55 < kanzure> "a system is only as secure as the adversarial environment it has historically survived"
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10:28 < mrdata> i like that quote
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14:16 < kanzure> hrm.
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17:57 < fenn> it should be really easy to measure a power supply's efficiency by putting it in a large styrofoam cooler and logging the temperature rise at various loads for a short amount of time
17:57 < fenn> certainly more precise than a bunch of amp meters
17:59 < kanzure> "Using 99 images of rhesus macaque vocal tracts from the X-rays, these researchers simulated the three-dimensional space in the monkey mouth and throat. By mapping the flow of air through this space, the scientists generated a hypothetical range of speech sounds that monkeys could produce. The "phonetic potential" of a macaque, they concluded, was eight times larger than estimated in 1969."
17:59 < kanzure> "The scientists generated the phrase "Will you marry me?" as if spoken by macaque. The words are odd and clipped, but the authors argued it sounds as comprehensible as English with a slight "foreign accent." (Less charitably it sounds like Gollum, from "The Lord of the Rings," trying to speak through a chokehold.) Crucially, the models showed the macaques were capable of vowel sounds, as in ...
17:59 < kanzure> ..."bat," "bet," "bit," "but" and "bought.""
17:59 < kanzure> from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/07/07/why-cant-monkeys-talk-scientists-rumble-over-a-curious-question/
18:00 < kanzure> "Monkey vocal tracts are speech-ready" http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/12/e1600723.full
18:02 < kanzure> "Response to Lieberman on “Monkey vocal tracts are speech-ready”" http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/7/e1701859
18:34 < nmz787> very kewl
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18:38 < kanzure> you could have gone with "oooh ah ah."
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19:07 < maaku> https://github.com/opencog/opencog/blob/master/opencog/eva/architecture/embodiment.pdf
19:08 < maaku> "A description of how OpenCog currently implements self-awareness and world-awareness, together with a sketch of how this could be improved and expanded."
19:14 < kanzure> awareness is not necessary for human brain like behavior..
19:15 < maaku> I think it means something more technical
19:16 < maaku> Page 5 has a nice chart from Hanson Robotics showing a 4 stage pipeline for processing input and generating actions
19:16 < maaku> Machine learning approaches only really do stages 1 and 4
19:17 < maaku> well, parts of stage 2 I suppose, as it literally says "machine learning", but I would say current ML approaches are insufficient there
19:18 < maaku> btw what's the reference to lobsters in the topic?
19:18 < kanzure> accelerando
19:19 < maaku> Ah I should read that
19:20 < kanzure> i preferred neverness over accelerando.
19:20 < maaku> I'll read both. Thanks for the recommendation
19:24 < kanzure> maaku: i still think this is one of the better approaches to agi http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-diagram.png
19:25 < kanzure> maaku: it's basically a map of exactly what to build...
19:25 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/Cognitive%20consilience:%20Primate%20non-primary%20neuroanatomical%20circuits%20underlying%20cognition%20-%202011.pdf
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