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02:48 < Jenda`> .title https://pjreddie.com/darknet/yolo/
02:48 < yoleaux> YOLO: Real-Time Object Detection
02:57 < kanzure> hm.
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03:29 < pasky> honestly I don't understand what is going on in Elon's head; I kinda admire the man, but he's nuts about this *and* at the same time even if we accepted the fear is legitimate, this kind of regulation is obviously one of the worst "solutions"; it seems unlikely he wouldn't realize that so what's going on? seen any good in-depth analysis of his AI agenda anywhere?
03:53 < bluebear_> pasky: I'd like to know too... :-(
03:54 < bluebear_> pasky: my working hypotheses: 1) early-onset dementia, 2) strange case of midlife crisis, 3) being a media star, 4) he knows something we don't know
03:56 < TMA> bluebear_: 5) too much reading of Eliezer too little belief in efficacy of proposed solutions
03:56 < bluebear_> TMA: I'd put that under the point 1)
03:56 < bluebear_> TMA: as a person with some knowledge in the IT branch, he should know better, unless his brain is damaged
03:58 < bluebear_> maybe 6) he has secured some military applications so he knows his company will not be affected, and wants to slow down everyone else so he collects all the money
03:58 < TMA> bluebear_: not necessarily -- unless Elon Musk is not a human, he is succeptible to human biases -- mere-exposure effect
03:59 < TMA> bluebear_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect
04:01 < TMA> bluebear_: maybe he is just scared that the goal 'avoid hitting pedestrians' can be all too easily changed to 'prefer hitting pedestrians' during the training
04:04 < pasky> bluebear_: that's all silly imho
04:05 < bluebear_> of course it is silly; I can't find any reasonable explanation :-(
04:10 < TMA> a truly smart person's internal state of mind cannot be inferred from the actions it performs [predictable => safe; smart => not safe]
04:12 < TMA> sure, you can explain everything and it would seem obvious, but that's just your hindsight bias speaking
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04:57 < bluebear_> hmmm; somehow, I have a feeling there is nobody but us Czechs :-(
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05:37 < kanzure> "predictable => safe" hah. if you say so.
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05:40 < kanzure> "The Microsoft 2017 conversational speech recognition system" https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ms_swbd17-2.pdf
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05:48 < kanzure> win 4
05:48 < kanzure> ej8q9ru142hidafdojifojfdqo
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07:40 < maaku> pasky bluebear_ well it's rather well established at this point that Elon is in the Bostrom-Yudzilla cult
07:41 < maaku> see for example the FLI workshop attendee list
07:41 < kanzure> that cult would be much more impressive if it wasn't mostly about fanfic.
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07:59 < kanzure> i don't think anyone is going to be working on a strategy to counter that fearmongering
08:00 < kanzure> google might say a few words about modern machine learning but they aren't going to suggest that cognitive ability shouldn't be regulated (because google benefits from a world where cognitive ability gets regulated)
08:00 < maaku> of course. regulatory capture and all that
08:29 < bluebear_> kanzure: why do you think Google would benefit from slowing down progress in the cognitive abilities of ML?
08:41 < kanzure> no, from regulation
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08:45 < kanzure> cognitive ability isn't merely a matter of commoditized computation (which google has a lot of)
08:45 < bluebear_> pasky: what what Musk spouting lately, anyway?
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09:06 < kanzure> latest peter madsen testimony is "buried her at sea".
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09:39 < kanzure> superkuh: what are some fun satellite ftp addresses to watch today
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12:56 < kanzure> bird computing http://web.archive.org/web/20150227102109/http://chirp.io:80/tech/
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13:24 < nmz787> kanzure: I got invited to an SRC meeting on Sept 14th, looks like in the same location and with same title/name as that PDF (that you posted) of notes was headed with
13:27 < kanzure> yep i'll be there.
13:33 < nmz787> just saw your name ;)
13:33 < nmz787> on a list
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13:39 < kanzure> can you send me the list by any chance :(
13:39 < kanzure> Asterion: greetings
13:42 < Asterion> howdy kanzure
13:43 < kanzure> what brings you here
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14:11 < fenn> this madsen testimony doesn't make sense
14:11 < fenn> scenario 1) wall dies in some accident. why would madsen "bury her at sea" and tell authorities he dropped her off earlier
14:12 < fenn> scenario 2) madsen killed wall. why would madsen say he did anything at all? why not stick to his earlier story?
14:19 < fenn> "too early to identify the body – missing its head, legs and arms"
14:20 < fenn> i wonder if that's normal for ten days in the ocean
14:32 < fenn> re chirp.io, many android apps include advertising tracking beacons that use ultrasonic data transmission to other corporate malware infested devices in the are
14:32 < fenn> area*
14:33 < fenn> "ultrasonic beacon"
14:35 < fenn> "known instances of its use have grown from just six in April 2015, to the 234 identified by the German researchers [in may 2017]"
14:36 < kanzure> what is the infection mechanism though?   buffer overflows and other bad implementations in the receiving sound modem i guess?
14:37 < fenn> it's designed in as part of the app by sleazy developers
14:37 < fenn> the developer may not even know what they are installing
14:37 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ceklk/audio_modem_python_library_for_airgapped/
14:37 < fenn> air gapped not good enough, need vacuum gap :P
14:38 < kanzure> qr codes dont work because for bitcoin you often need to transfer a few hundred kilobytes
14:38 < kanzure> and you shouldn't really be using usb or networked devices
14:39 < fenn> can't you use multiple QR codes in sequence?
14:39 < kanzure> well you wouldn't be able to use paper then... but yes, you could have an animation on a screen that you hold up to another machine's camera.
14:41 < nmz787> kanzure: how long are you going to be in VA for, for that 1 day meeting?
14:42 < kanzure> yea just the day prior
14:44 < kanzure> fenn: there was an image somewhere of three laptops looking at their screens/cameras to transfer a qr code. unfortunately i haven't memorized the entire index of imgur so i cannot recall the url at the moment.
14:45 < kanzure> (some sort of stunt to make it look more complex than things really should be)
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14:46 < nmz787> need that electromagnetic gapping
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16:21 < kanzure> rpifan: hi.
16:21 < rpifan> hrllo
16:32 < fenn> a 1 megapixel camera should be able to resolve 3 megabytes of information, in principle, if the lighting were perfect
16:34 < fenn> dealing with moire effects would reduce that somewhat
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17:10 < fenn> "Denso Wave chose to waive its rights to a key patent in its possession for standardized QR codes only."
17:10 < fenn> possibly the only good use of patents
17:10 < Jenda`> 1 megapixel probably does not mean "4 megapixels with RGBG mask", but some interpolation of Y channel
17:13 < fenn> how many megapixels is a 640x480 camera?
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20:36 < kanzure> hmmph
20:40 < kanzure> file encryption things https://www.cryfs.org/howitworks
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