--- Log opened Tue Aug 22 00:00:56 2017 00:43 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 00:44 -!- vikraman [~vh4x0r@gentoo/developer/vikraman] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:55 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@174-24-228-29.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:39 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@174-24-228-29.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:39 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- axlshear [~axlshear@172.93.51.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:58 -!- axlshear [~axlshear@172.93.51.50] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:14 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:19 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:20 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:00 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:00 -!- anonnumberanon [~anonnumbe@unaffiliated/anonnumberanon] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:00 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:00 -!- Jenda` [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:00 -!- dustinm- [~dustinm@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:01 -!- bkero [~bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:01 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:02 -!- Jenda` [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:04 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- bkero [~bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- anonnumberanon [~anonnumbe@unaffiliated/anonnumberanon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:30 < kanzure> "Opto-magnetic imaging of neural network activity in brain slices at high resolution using color centers in diamond" https://arxiv.org/abs/1708.06158 04:30 < kanzure> (nitrogen vacancy stuff) 04:37 < kanzure> "Host-derived viral transporter protein for nitrogen uptake in infected marine phytoplankton" http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/08/17/1708097114 04:42 < kanzure> "... Crispr’s co-discoverer Jennifer Doudna has taken a step back this past year from her lab at Berkeley to travel the world and discuss the importance of coming to what she calls a “global consensus” on appropriate uses for gene editing technologies." (nothing of consequence here) https://www.wired.com/story/crispr-fans-dream-of-a-populist-future-for-gene-editing 04:42 < kanzure> so instead of doing actual work she's now moralizing the shit out of crispr? wtf. 04:45 < kanzure> https://ipscell.com/2016/09/interview-with-fredrik-lanner-who-is-crispring-healthy-human-embryos/ 04:49 < kanzure> "Visions of human futures in space and SETI" https://arxiv.org/abs/1708.05318 https://twitter.com/OmanReagan/status/898634077539938304 04:50 < kanzure> http://sites.psu.edu/astrowright/2017/08/17/doing-seti-better/ 04:53 < Asterion> I don't think "moralizing the shit out of crispr" is a bad thing tho 05:04 < kanzure> it's a bad thing because it distracts from her valuable labor. anyone can "moralize", it requires zero brain cells. 05:12 < kanzure> https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/21/y-combinator-summer-2017/ 06:04 < adlai> kanzure: sounds like she's trying to cash in on the "consensus" bubble 06:09 < kanzure> the trust bubble? :P 06:11 < kanzure> adlai: you should reply to that bitcoin-dev email about partially signed transactions, since you have specific joinmarket considerations 06:21 < catern> syncing my brain and my computer is really expensive 06:28 < catern> do I just need to force myself to do it, like kanzure does with his convlog? 06:30 < adlai> kanzure: i should also have something to say on the matter. fwiw i don't use hardware wallets... 06:30 * adlai has been busy whipping his slave into shape on the bitmex casino 06:30 < catern> I want to build a task scheduling system so I can automate timing out tasks, and context switching, and so on. but the overhead of getting *every* task into a computer is way high 06:31 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:32 < catern> but isn't that always the issue :( 06:32 < TMA> catern: somehow, I find the cost too high for any and all tasks. 06:32 < catern> IO is expensive, it is always thus 06:33 < catern> maybe I should build the system without worrying about IO? 06:33 < adlai> catern: fwiw what you described is kinda the backbone of scalpl (my slave) 06:34 < adlai> except it's all hacky and preprototypical, think bitcoin ca may 2007 06:34 < adlai> https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/blob/master/actor.lisp 06:35 < catern> it's just basic coroutines and scheduling, it's the backbone of many many systems 06:36 < adlai> yep 06:36 < adlai> you just need either to teach it your language, or learn its 06:36 < adlai> in my case, i wrote a system that makes a horridly insufficient approximation of my language 06:37 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@cpc109847-bagu17-2-0-cust223.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:00 < kanzure> catern: forcing yourself to do something is probably not the right approach. you need to set things up so that the activation energy required to be productive is lower than the activation energy to exercise alternative behaviors. 07:01 < kanzure> catern: todo list management is not really a solvable problem because the overhead grows with the number of tasks. it doesn't scale. so you have to pick a minimum activation threshold for task prioritization and over time increasingly move it up. and then you allocate some other chunks of your time to low priority biology maintenance tasks (which might include "unproductive" tasks). 07:03 < kanzure> (i guess i overstate "biology maintenance tasks"-- i include things like entertainment in there. they aren't really unproductive, as long as they are actually contributing to the ability to correctly process other high priority pending behaviors.) 07:04 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@136.55.14.48] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:05 < kanzure> also one of my takeaways from an early experiment in scheduling every minute of my life to a stupidly high resolution is that it's more important to schedule capacity and tooling and abilities (e.g. acquire tools/skills) than it is to schedule frivolous tasks. with expanding ability you can move bigger levers that effect the world more-- which is way more important than specifying that at ... 07:05 < kanzure> ...5:05pm you should be doing task xyz. 07:07 < kanzure> it's sort of weird that i took a scheduling approach and fenn took a descriptive approach (instead of specifying what to be doing, he's tracked what he has done to a stupidly high resolution) 07:07 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-008-180-030.178.008.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:09 < kanzure> because of the high cost of todo task maintenance, each task needs to have a certain threshold amount of weighted outcome benefit to warrant its inclusion in the todo system. otherwise you're just DoS attacking yourself with irrelevant noise. 07:09 < catern> hmm, I see 07:09 < catern> that seems true 07:11 < catern> when you say "scheduling every minute of your life", do you mean statically or dynamically? i.e. you specified that at 5:05PM you should do specifically this task xyz and nothing else? 07:12 < kanzure> specifically in high school (2004? 2005?) i was maintaining a per-minute todo list system where i scheduled my life many months in advance down to the minute. it was a bad idea. 07:12 < catern> I'm planning/thinking about a more dynamic approach, where I have a program which maintains a list of pending tasks, and interrupts, and so on 07:12 < catern> and tells me what to do 07:12 < kanzure> interrupts are the worst way to live your life :-). it's easy to see why it's a default mode of interaction for everyone, but for myself it really interferes with my own sense of self-agency. 07:13 < catern> yes, exactly - with this dynamic system, I would defer interrupts until the system decides to tell me to service them and update task status based on them, or create new tasks based on them 07:14 < kanzure> i would prefer to do relevant things even if i did not have an interrupt actively competing for my attention 07:15 < catern> not sure what you mean by that - don't we all want to do relevant things at all times? what is "relevant"? 07:16 < kanzure> it's related to my complaints about how interrupts interfere with a sense of agency 07:17 < kanzure> imho i think evidence will eventually reveal that surrounding yourself with highly productive people is far more effective than maintaining a todo system 07:18 < kanzure> "Is mental effort exertion contagious?" http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/motivation-effort/Is%20mental%20effort%20exertion%20contagious%3f.pdf 07:20 < catern> fair 07:20 < catern> I agree 07:23 < catern> or rather I think what you are doing, and who you are doing it with, and also other factors about how efficiently you are doing it, is probably more significant than a todo system specifically 07:24 < catern> but I still would like a system which can coherently handle interrupts 07:24 < catern> rather than just popping up notifications 07:25 < kanzure> sounds like snooze delayed interrupts 07:28 < catern> eh 07:28 < catern> i should probably just work on large things 07:28 < catern> instead of many small tasks 07:34 < kanzure> there are also selection effects to consider. like survivorship bias in (completed) tasks. 07:41 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15070372 07:41 < yoleaux> China’s Bitmain dominates Bitcoin mining, wants to cash in on AI | Hacker News 07:41 < kanzure> https://qz.com/1053799/chinas-bitmain-dominates-bitcoin-mining-now-it-wants-to-cash-in-on-artificial-intelligence/ 07:41 < maaku> catern: why interupt unless you have a hard, real-time requirement like a meeting, pickup kids from school, etc. 07:41 < maaku> (in which case, use a calendar and notifications) 07:43 < kanzure> "Two years ago, a Chinese chip-design expert named Micree Zhan was reading China’s seminal science-fiction novel, The Three-Body Problem, by Liu Cixin, while wrestling with how to create a new processor. He had already designed custom chips for the company he co-founded, Bitmain ... “It was late at night, and something inspired me—Sophon!” he recalls. A sophon is a fictional ... 07:43 < kanzure> ...proton-sized supercomputer from The Three-Body Problem that is sent by an alien civilization to halt scientific progress on Earth. It’s capable of causing strange phenomena—such as inscribing flashing words on the retinas of elite scientists. The aliens use it to take over Earth when their own planet is destroyed by the chaotic gravitational forces of its three suns. Bitmain’s newest ... 07:44 < kanzure> ...product, the Sophon..." 07:53 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 < kanzure> mechanical latency in keyboards input https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071418 https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/#summary "... average bounce time is about 1.5 ms" "As manufacturers generally don’t disclose their firmware internals, let’s consider typical debouncing algorithms and assume that filtering adds ~7 ms delay, so that maximum total “debounce time” is about 12 ... 07:54 < kanzure> ...ms, and average total debounce time is ~8.5 ms." 07:55 < kanzure> welp this explains why i consistently have trouble typing a single key faster than once every 12 ms 07:55 < kanzure> experimental attempts to measure keyboard lag http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=13479#p13473 07:59 < kanzure> "SpeechJammer: A system utilizing artificial speech disturbance with delayed auditory feedback" https://arxiv.org/vc/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.6106v1.pdf 07:59 < kanzure> i wonder if anyone has combined that with adversarial examples research, to distort the replayed audio. 08:03 < poppingtonic> http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/11/4956/htm 08:04 < poppingtonic> .title 08:04 < yoleaux> Entropy | Free Full-Text | Beyond Landauer Erasure | HTML 08:04 < poppingtonic> We find that, for each conserved quantity, the minimum resource needed to erase one bit of memory is λ−1ln(2)λ−1ln(2), where λ is related to the average value of the conserved quantity. The costs of erasure depend, fundamentally, on both the nature of the physical memory element and the reservoir with which it is coupled. 08:05 < poppingtonic> openmined.org 08:23 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@136.55.14.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:51 < catern> maaku: I am not planning interrupts 08:51 < catern> I am sorry that I wasn't clear, I meant to say that my system would *shield* me from interrupts, by handling them for me, and deferring the interrupt to when I next context-switch 09:37 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 -!- Gurkenglas_ [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-008-180-030.178.008.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:40 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:43 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:48 < maaku> catern: oh, well sounds like you want a notification manager that lets you filter what results in a popup vs. just being stored for later 09:48 < maaku> these things exist i believe 10:10 < catern> they exist 10:10 < catern> but one that automatically associates notifications with tasks where possible? 10:10 < catern> not sure if it exists 10:55 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: Malvolio] 11:03 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 < nmz787> kanzure: are you really hitting that limit? I'd guess you're closer to 200ms (1000ms * (60 secs/minute) / 300 WPM == 200 ms) 11:16 < nmz787> hrmm 11:16 < nmz787> I guess that's words per minute, not keys 11:16 < nmz787> what's the avg word length? 6? 11:16 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 < nmz787> at 6, you'd be around 33ms 11:17 < nmz787> so maybe in bursts you could be hitting something, if you really are experiencing issues 11:17 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 < kanzure> yes in bursts it's really easy to hit 10-15ms especially for words like "it" 11:28 < nmz787> hmm, I have a friend who is building his own keyboard using a teensy MCU, I can ask him if he could think of a solution for you 11:28 < kanzure> cool. yeah it would be nice to not type so slowly. 11:29 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@136.55.14.48] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:30 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:06 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:10 -!- y0ur1 [~y0ur1@gateway/tor-sasl/y0ur1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:31 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32 < fenn> surely there's some gaming keyboard that prides itself on having less latency than other keyboards 12:46 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:47 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:02 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:11 < kanzure> "we take your individual key presses and directly interrupt the CPU within 32 nanoseconds" 13:11 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:15 < kanzure> "in fact, we cause 120 page faults per millisecond until the CPU responds, for maximum gaming potential." 13:15 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@136.55.14.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:32 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:32 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:49 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:50 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:50 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- augur [~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16 < juul> hey, anyone want a free ticket to biohack the planet privmsg me 14:17 < kanzure> when is it this year 14:18 < kanzure> and where. i might be able to recommend someone in nhere. 14:23 < cluckj> oregon? 14:24 < kanzure> aug26 in oakland, california http://biohacktheplanet.com/ 14:24 < kanzure> so, i recommend fenn 14:25 < cluckj> ah 14:29 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:42 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:47 < juul> alright, i sent it to fenn 14:51 < nmz787> juul: if fenn doesn't take it, I can... I was just about to purchase 14:51 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:55 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@136.55.14.48] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:59 < juul> nmz787: oh i don't have a finite number 15:02 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skdhowjfhuklfdmx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:03 < kanzure> whoops i mean august 25th 15:05 < kanzure> http://biohacktheplanet.com/schedule/ 15:08 < juul> btw there's also a semi-secret (word of mouth only) "dirty back alley science fair swap meet / dance party" happening at the ground level of SOMA on the 30th of September at 7 pm. dance party from 10 to 1 am. Attending is free but there will be stuff for sale for cash. Email mark@krawczuk.com if you want to table. The name of the event is "You've Got My Eyes" 15:14 < kanzure> are... are you our scene hook-up? 15:15 < cluckj> lol 15:15 < cluckj> I need a job with a travel budget 15:17 < juul> hah, i'm actually feeling a bit out of the loop recently. the ghost ship fire caused a lot of stuff to shut down but it also caused a lot of people to be much more tight-lipped around the underground events 15:17 < juul> at least the events happening in illegal warehouse firetraps 15:17 < juul> which are usually the best ones 15:32 < fenn> i thought soma was a neighborhood 15:33 < fenn> http://www.awesomefoundation.org/en/projects/83883-you-ve-got-my-eyes-a-dork-punk-show-n-tell 15:42 < juul> yeah i don't have exact location 15:43 < juul> haha that kinda violated the whole "no posting it online" but i guess he got $1k from them so eh whatever 15:43 < juul> i was thinking of MOMA when i wrote that previous thing, brainfart 15:44 < juul> i'll post when i know the actual location 16:01 < Asterion> I'm incredibly jealous of all attending haha 16:01 < Asterion> I need to move to the west coast 16:07 < kanzure> juul: see pm. 16:07 < juul> kanzure: yes. i responded? 16:07 < kanzure> nope 16:14 < nmz787> juul: "oh i don't have a finite number" so you have unlimited tickets? 16:14 < nmz787> juul: darn, I am leaving the 29th 16:14 < kanzure> like packing sardines into a warehouse 16:15 < juul> oh damn i wasn't logged in so my messages were lost 16:46 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:52 -!- y0ur1 [~y0ur1@gateway/tor-sasl/y0ur1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55 -!- y0ur1 [~y0ur1@gateway/tor-sasl/y0ur1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:20 < kanzure> fenn: https://experiment.com/projects/unlock-the-secrets-of-animals-that-survive-freezing 17:21 < kanzure> 2016-04-26 andor kiss writes "Hi Aaron, 17:21 < kanzure> We're going to get started this summer. There was an intentional delay in the start of the project as Illumina introduced their new high capacity HiSeq3000 and HiSeq4000 instruments. There was also time needed to let these instruments find their way to university core-labs. Now that this has happened, we're going to start the process" 17:22 < fenn> based on some forum posts he thought that there would be a 10x cost reduction in using the new machines, but some other forum people said no 17:22 < fenn> so i assume he never actually did the sequencing and everyone forgot about it 17:22 -!- juul [~juul@juul.io] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:22 < fenn> but if he actually did the sequencing and gave it to his funders, we wouldn't know 17:23 < fenn> there's no particular reason to keep this genome secret 17:24 < kanzure> welp let's send him some emails 17:24 < fenn> wait a minute 17:24 < fenn> First Assembly is Done! 17:24 < fenn> August 11, 2017 17:24 < kanzure> hah 17:26 < fenn> no comments, no text in the post? 17:28 < fenn> .in 100d pester kanzure to pester andor kiss about rana sylvatica genome 17:28 < yoleaux> fenn: I'll remind you on 1 Dec 2017 00:28Z 17:28 < fenn> release the pesterlence! 17:45 < kanzure> .in 99d pester fenn to pester andor kiss about rana sylvatica genome 17:46 < kanzure> juul, this is not a great readme https://github.com/biobricks/bionet 17:47 < kanzure> "Right now DHT-based peer discovery won't work if your bionet node is not hosted at the root URL of your hostname" 17:47 < kanzure> this thing has DHT-based peer discovery? 18:07 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skdhowjfhuklfdmx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:21 < kanzure> there should be a private secondary market for pharmaceutical production capacity. and you just contract with private manufacturers that guarantee a certain amount of production for you. 18:21 < kanzure> sort of like secondmarket for drugs i guess. or a more professional silk road (sigh). 18:30 < kanzure> human longevity inc has 40k genomes 18:39 < kanzure> omni data incorporated (dna data storage people) 18:48 < kanzure> "nucleoside bypass therapy" 19:02 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:03 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:11 < kanzure> i think jojack's problem is that he does not have a fundamental thesis. for myself at least i have a belief that with some planning and roadmapping you can have a reasonably correct idea of what you should be doing if you run into a lot of money (hire people to think very carefully about technology, and then do the important path-critical low-risk things that put the world in a better ... 19:11 < kanzure> ...position to pursue further projects even if it's 5 or 10 years out). 19:12 < kanzure> like: "make lab equipment actually cheap" and "make extremely low cost dna synthesizers so that people can actually do biotech projects" 19:34 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@71-212-12-72.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:39 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.144.105.191] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:15 < kanzure> scihub timelock distribution strategy should also include a cotton spore final mode where anyone can download a paper by doi + hash from random peers that are only online for a few minutes a week so that none of them are primary distributors. 20:25 < kanzure> "goal: 100 designer babies by 2030. 1 million desiger babies by 2045." 20:31 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38 -!- mabel [~mabel@71-212-24-130.tukw.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:41 -!- esmerelda [~mabel@71-212-12-72.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:36 < maaku> hmm... suitable skdb stretch goal: 3d print a baby 21:36 < maaku> (artificial womb + dna synthesis + synthetic biology) 21:40 -!- juul [~juul@juul.io] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:47 < nmz787> ^ 21:47 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59 -!- y0ur1 [~y0ur1@gateway/tor-sasl/y0ur1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: hylleddin, anachronick, cevi_, Reventlov, mf1008, AgenttiX 22:02 -!- y0ur1 [~y0ur1@gateway/tor-sasl/y0ur1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Reventlov, hylleddin 22:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: AgenttiX 22:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cevi_ 22:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mf1008 22:05 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@136.55.14.48] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@2605:a601:5242:c500:9789:2d4e:9918:a814] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:24 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:27 -!- Guest57497 [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:37 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:15 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:47 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Wed Aug 23 00:00:57 2017