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04:26 < maaku> ah
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05:03 < kanzure> https://www.seeker.com/health/gut-bacteria-from-elite-athletes-could-soon-become-a-probiotic-supplement
05:04 < kanzure> "An ongoing research project at Harvard University is attempting to identify and isolate beneficial bacteria from the digestive tracts of elite athletes then convert the bacteria into commercial probiotic supplements. The research was presented Sunday at the 254th national meeting and exposition of the American Chemical Society. Jonathan Scheiman, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Medical ...
05:04 < kanzure> ...School, was asked to present the research, which is being developed in the lab of George Church at Harvard's Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering."
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05:05 < kanzure> "The probiotic industry is a $60 billion market, and it's been around for decades. To prepare for possible commercialization of the technology, the team plans to launch a company this year called Fitbiomics. The research team is currently running functional studies on mice and other animals to see if they can find evidence of genuine performance boosts from the isolated bacteria."
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07:10 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/cvplover/status/901505883179548675
07:10 < yoleaux> @jrkelly Only '90s kids will remember Dr. Cloner's home cloning kit (@cvplover, in reply to tw:901500212430163977)
07:10 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/galos_gann/status/901663414212231168
07:10 < yoleaux> @jrkelly "Genetic engineering will solve all your problems" (@galos_gann, in reply to tw:901500212430163977)
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08:34 < kanzure> n00blet: greetz
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08:46 < n00blet> Hi
08:46 < n00blet> interesting channel, sounds cool
08:50 < kanzure> what brings you here
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09:49 < archels> just received some methylene blue in the mail
09:49 < archels> "research chemical. not for human consumption"
09:55 < kanzure> some ambience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fd5eAWvPDo
09:57 < cluckj> well...don't eat it then
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10:09 < kanzure> "Human germline genome editing" http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30247-1
10:09 < kanzure> "Currently, there is no reason to prohibit in vitro germline genome editing on human embryos and gametes, with appropriate oversight and consent from donors, to facilitate research on the possible future clinical applications of gene editing. There should be no prohibition on making public funds available to support this research."
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11:04 < n00blet> I think I may of been chipped illegally with an RFID chip, I'm unsure, I have detected something in my arm with a stud detector/AC finder, but I'm still 100% unsure if it's an RFID chip
11:04 < n00blet> any idea's of other ways to detect or disable it?
11:05 < n00blet> besides with neodynium rare earth magnets
11:05 < kanzure> just keep digging until the blood stops you'll be fine
11:06 < kanzure> (you might be suffering from schizophrenia and you may need serious help)
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11:19 < n00blet> lol
11:19 < n00blet> funny
11:19 < n00blet> the usual coverup, by corrupt government..
11:20 < n00blet> what criminal admits to his crimes? so he can get charged for them, and potentially go to prison?
11:21 < n00blet> none I've ever heard of, that's for sure..
11:23 < kanzure> n00blet: do you have strong opinions about MKULTRA?
11:33 < n00blet>  no and you? Dont know enough about it to properly comment yet.
11:36 < n00blet> I do know though, that it shouldn't be used against innocent civillians of course, especially disabled people, but of course sicko's within five eyes, especially parasitic filth in the AIC, beg to differ unfortunately..
11:37 < n00blet> they tend to target political dissidents, or anyone who speaks up against corrupt individuals, with money and power.
11:38 < n00blet> stopgangstalking.org is a good website for it.
11:38 < n00blet> as is stop007.org and jointinvestigation.org
11:39 < n00blet> with Dr Katherine Horton, and various others, including NSA whistle blower, Karen Stewart.
11:41 < n00blet> where are you from kanzure?
11:49 < kanzure> i think you are a schizo
11:50 < n00blet> seems five eyes has a few bugs which need ironing out, your typical government bright sparks put it into production mode, without doing any ironing first, to eradicate any potential nasties, seems to of been infected with extreme malware, and needs a thorough reformat, and a fresh clean hardened install, wonder who can do it now that Edward Snowden is gone? We need more good, honest, ethical and moral geeks like him to help
11:50 < n00blet> change five eyes, from every nation within five eyes, the good guys need inside men, so they can help eradicate the filth from all nations, within five eyes, so they can't hide behind their international associates.
11:50 < n00blet> rofl oh of course
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11:50 < n00blet> I think you're clearly moronic government garb, or a minion of them.
11:51 < n00blet> why do you think I am a schizo?
11:51 < n00blet> what has indicated that?
11:51 < n00blet> is Dr Katherine Horton a schizo too?
11:51 < n00blet> same with Karen Stewart? and Julliane Mckinney?
11:52 < n00blet> how about Dr Barrie Trower, and Dr John hall?
11:52 < n00blet> or Robert Duncan, are they all schizo's too?
11:52 < kanzure> alright why are you here
11:55 < n00blet> either you're corrupt government garb, one of their minions, or a complete moronic, ignorant, prejudice arsehole, who instantly assumes anyone who speaks about corrupt government is crazy, paranoid and delusional, just like your typical corrupt psychiatrist..
11:56 < n00blet> bored, thought I'd pop in to see what the channel was about.
11:56 < n00blet> you?
11:56 < kanzure> i am here to get rid of the noise
11:56 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap/
11:56 < n00blet> what noise?
11:57 < n00blet> hey does anyone know what happened to ornm.org?
11:57 < n00blet> there was a channel on this network, but it's been abanonded
11:58 < n00blet> abandoned*
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12:05 < kanzure> yashgaroth: 1 million designer babies by 2045. let's do it. you in?
12:05 < yashgaroth> aight
12:05 < kanzure> k
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12:39 < kanzure> 11:40 < Douhet> good god kanzure I hope you don't get murdered
12:39 < kanzure> 11:41 < Douhet> that's at least MLK level of "we will find your home and try to kill you or at least toss bricks through the window" controversy
12:40 < kanzure> 12:17 < quanticle> I mean, I'm not sure you appreciate the power of the forces you're attempting to channel.
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13:07 < maaku> kanzure: what's that with respect to?
13:07 < kanzure> maaku: my plans for racial upgrades
13:07 < maaku> oh yeah well that is playing with fire
13:07 < kanzure> nuclear fire
13:08 < maaku> let's just call it "human upgrades" and leave the r word out of it
13:08 < kanzure> haven't you read your rbtc "troll army guide to controversy" handbook yet?
13:12 < maaku> kanzure: the thing is, identity politics should become much less heated when one's identity is no longer permanently fixed to their born biology
13:13 < kanzure> well i'm in favor of eventual de-escalation of all politics so that sounds fine to me
13:23 < archels> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/a6_TrywBETmZMBargRa5eQ_upsus1r1oYbWlWX_xrANHcNqhSD_2T793rfhSR-2YwWSJhHLSf-mOMgvRZEFFgtBuPOkCmPpckFVyiskxV_bZ8gjUYPqdYaqqKTAX4FSylLHce2Vuu7k3thgQGCU9WfQDBGQipUFlOgTQVA4H8sgWdiJthLUvBluEMu_zIy9IiCmpDqksnbnopPzY24wQCdDNOTiG4V_kd1Rmmhy2GiGHaPY-f4iRT4iOF_XaXF2paerurzPg7YWevucZCMhCpqcMPVjarQDN6-1c_juNVmgusMZwJm5VJRHlHDm0PE5MNvp0icuIVAuInqoBAgDonNQpjRHDBIt13T3WmpmGly5EGAnqXCd59_6mvmEsBR4RF9ef26lC1Fd-sFSr70Bbb20hj_ ...
13:24 < archels> ... Q1h5CI2Ik2z2ykm08Ap26NAyJtRT1KylMxWio6XOVi1MNy0PXvFVOXCC5I-tXCax2VNBuTO_TbrsdRRNOwBkhNdJmQYor3-ZKi7MxakMP5q_jaru9s_9QePqGm2z3vi6KprBZOfNV-anz07m9t0iir5vbjNwXOYZaPBtICRBECiJ_YrUNxaakSFk-OV-1oIfws9va39el5lv2Xjpni8a6qOXXvvXfqsqzgEaTfOq7Rbjs6hJYdr8L8-Dp75EFlGIhKDsLFhNFeAkkt8bctuw=w1332-h999-no
13:24 < archels> holy
13:24 < archels> http://tiny.cc/zy9dny
13:25 < JayDugger> I'll ask. Who's that, and what does he wear?
13:26 < JayDugger> (And yes, I see the pinstripe shirt.)
13:27 < JayDugger> (And yes, I see the name badge.)
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13:41 < archels> some chap giving a presentation at a conference
13:41 < archels> a hackathon, more precisely
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14:02 < kanzure> hmm honduras
14:12 < kanzure> hmm "the "welcome to rational prepping" guide includes AI and CRISPR as causes"
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14:14 < kanzure> haha they really do include crispr as a reason to be a prepper:  https://theprepared.com/guides/rational-reasons-why-you-should-prepare-emergencies/#technology
14:30 < fenn> how do you prepare for genetically engineered stormtroopers?
14:31 < kanzure> read lots of science fiction?
14:31 < superkuh> ✓
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14:35 < delinquentme>  <fenn> how do you prepare for genetically engineered stormtroopers?
14:35 < delinquentme> Learn chinese and get a visa
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14:42 < kanzure> yeah i think china will be interested
14:46 < kanzure> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQV_HHqgEk&t=31m
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15:57 < fenn> i met some grinders at biohacktheplanet, they seemed quite intelligent and mostly rational, i've revised my estimate upwards for the group in general
15:57 < fenn> rich lee said they were developing a thing for stelarc, so he could hear through the ear implanted in his arm
15:58 < fenn> the plan is to glue a magnet in his (head-attached) ear, and drive it with a coil based on signals from a microphone in the arm-mounted ear
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15:59 < fenn> i was thinking about flanagan's neurophone and bone conduction headphones. it gave me the idea that you could do the same thing with ultrasound, by driving the magnet with ultrasound frequencies
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15:59 < kanzure> "revised my estimate" is code for "omg save me from thus rationality labor camp"
16:00 < fenn> if you implant the magnets underneath the skull they could work as an ultrasonic transducer array for precise brain stimulation and bypass the scattering from the skull
16:01 < fenn> don't see very many rationalists around these parts anymore
16:01 < fenn> they are all in alaska or in jail or moved to a different house
16:02 < fenn> will newsome ironically identified as a "post-rationalist"
16:02 < kanzure> what is the evidence that you cannot do beamshaping through the skull?
16:02 < kanzure> i thought it was just power loss issue
16:03 < fenn> you can do beamshaping but the resolution won't be as good
16:03 < fenn> because of scattering
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16:03 < fenn> you'd need a zillion times more elements in the array to compensate for all the little bone struts and the distortions they introduce
16:03 < kanzure> someone suggested drill through skull and in the through-hole put special material
16:04 < fenn> i was also thinking you could use an induced current in a coil, and you could switch the coil on or off so you don't get spurious activation
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16:05 < fenn> (when you expose a short circuited coil to alternating magnetic field it moves)
16:08 < kanzure> was it richard jones
16:09 < kanzure> no wait wrong person
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16:09 < kanzure> rich lee? that doesn't sound right
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16:12 < fenn> http://www.notimpossible.com/blog/2015/6/14/cyborg-series-3-rich-lee-is-a-grinder
16:12 < fenn> i didn't get the other guy's name, but he looked familiar from some SF party probably
16:13 < kanzure> names are hard anyway
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16:18 < fenn> oh it was a magnet implanted in the earlobe
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16:24 < fenn> 'The term transhumanism was coined by Julian Huxley, the biologist, eugenicist, internationalist, and brother of Aldous, in 1957. He believed that it was mankind’s “inescapable destiny” to take a proactive stance in controlling its future evolution.'
16:24 < kanzure> INESCAPABLE
16:24 < fenn> well you could escape it by going extinct
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16:25 < kanzure> oh look at the cortical lobes on this encephalized primate. wow.
16:25 < fenn> i resemble that remark
16:25 < kanzure> actually i didn't know that etymology
16:26 < fenn> "Huxley was a prominent member of the British Eugenics Society and its president from 1959–1962. It is currently based in Northfields, London, and changed its name to the Galton Institute in 1989."
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16:26 < kanzure> it's still around?
16:27 < kanzure> http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/
16:28 < fenn> i wonder why the galton institute wikpedia page links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Kistler
16:28 < kanzure> "The Galton Institute rejects outright the theoretical basis and practice of coercive eugenics, which it regards as having no place in modern life. Galton’s idea of ‘eugenics’ was based on concepts and hypotheses that served to create artificial hierarchies and division between peoples of different class, ethnicity and culture. The Galton Institute wishes to state clearly and ...
16:28 < kanzure> ...unequivocally that it deplores these outmoded and discredited ideas, which should play no part in society today."
16:28 < kanzure> what a bunch of wimps
16:29 < kanzure> if they had superior genetics then their spines wouldn't have been broken so easily.
16:30 < fenn> i'd guess you haven't read some of the old eugenics texts
16:30 < kanzure> "Archives of The Eugenics Review, volumes 1 to 60, 1909-1968, are available at PubMed
16:30 < kanzure> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/journals/1186/
16:30 < fenn> it's basically mandatory to distance yourself from nazi insanity that prompted crap like operation barbarossa
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16:33 < kanzure> "coercive eugenics"
16:33 < fenn> they mean things like forced sterilization
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16:35 < kanzure> well good luck with that. (it doesn't really work because ivf/stem cells/magic)
16:35 < fenn> it was supposed to prevent retarded people from being raped and having babies
16:36 < fenn> or maybe that was a strawman argument
16:36 < kanzure> i'm sure it was a big inconvenience at some point
16:37 < kanzure> "Eugenic qualities of primary importance" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2986620/?page=2
16:37 < fenn> you would probably be sterilized for not being neurotypical
16:37 < kanzure> "a large capacity for labor"
16:37 < kanzure> alright well sterilization is just a myth. are they really going to magically find all my stored donations?
16:37 < kanzure> it's just absurd
16:37 < fenn> it's hard to reliable generate good policies in government, i don't have any silver bullet for making good decisions
16:38 < fenn> reliably*
16:38 < fenn> back when people wrote these books that inspired policies, tissue storage was not an existing technology
16:38 < kanzure> right
16:39 < fenn> neither was genetic engineering or embryo selection or most of the stuff modern eugenics advocates
16:39 < kanzure> well yes it did. just nobody was doing it.  tissue samples have been frozen for 100s of years.
16:39 < fenn> huh?
16:39 < fenn> wooly mammoths?
16:39 < kanzure> you think we invented blood banking? biologists have been storing random crap for a very long time.
16:40 < fenn> "Cryopreservation of tissue during recent times began with the freezing of fowl sperm, which during 1957 was cryopreserved by a team of scientists in the UK directed by Christopher Polge."
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16:41 < kanzure> "In October 1915, Robertson performed his first wartime transfusion with a syringe to a patient suffering from multiple shrapnel wounds"    actually i'm sort of surprised. this is pretty recent.
16:41 < kanzure> ".. in 1917, where he was instrumental in establishing the first blood banks"
16:42 < fenn> "Association of Environmentalists For Nuclear Energy" hmm where do i sign up
16:42 < kanzure> blood oath
16:42 < kanzure> hell i bet there's recoverable dna from spit samples.  so sterilization isn't really a practical technique anymore.
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16:44 < fenn> it prevents people from having babies the natural way
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16:44 < fenn> the people who are upset about eugenics are not solution oriented
16:45 < fenn> they'd never reason it out and realize they could just get IVF
16:45 < kanzure> yep
16:47 < fenn> "One of the striking things about places heavily contaminated by radioactive nuclides is the richness of their wildlife. This is true of the land around Chernobyl, the bomb test sites of the Pacific, and areas near the United States' Savannah River nuclear weapons plant of the Second World War. Wild plants and animals do not perceive radiation as dangerous, and any slight reduction it may cause
16:47 < fenn> in their lifespans is far less a hazard than is the presence of people and their pets."
16:50 < fenn> one of the facts from a presentation this weekend was that your get one cellular mutation per 300 cell divisions, with the result that there are very few somatic mutations and most cells in a body are exactly the same genome
16:51 < fenn> s/your/you/
17:02 < kanzure> no transcripts?
17:07 < fenn> i havent looked yet at what media is available
17:08 < fenn> there were a couple professional-looking cameras there
17:14 < kanzure> ~media~
17:14 < kanzure> today someone pitched me on a honduras micronation for the ubermensch
17:21 < fenn> there's like 2 or 3 videos for the entire conference, a 10 hour one and a 2 hour one and a 3 hour one
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17:24 < fenn> .title http://youtu.be/0yK1lVnFGXU
17:24 < yoleaux> BioHack the Planet 2017 - YouTube
17:24 < fenn> .title http://youtu.be/Or-AjbfLAo4
17:24 < yoleaux> BioHack the Planet 2017 Day 2 - YouTube
17:25 < fenn> omg so sad
17:25 < fenn> auto copyright blocked it
17:31 < kanzure> flanagan has been rescued
17:32 < kanzure> (f7)
17:34 < fenn> what is that?
17:37 < kanzure> he is a person
17:38 < kanzure> he hangs out in here
17:38 < kanzure> in houston. which is under water at the moment. so that is why he was rescued.
17:39 < fenn> forrest flanagan?
17:39 < kanzure> yes
17:39 < fenn> i thought he was in california, always complaining about how terrible california is
17:39 < kanzure> complaining knows no geographical boundaries
17:48 < kanzure> where did the forced coercive part come from
17:50 < kanzure> https://jasoncollins.org/2015/02/11/charts-that-dont-seem-quite-right-organ-donation-edition/
17:55 < fenn> "many Nazis defended their actions on the matter by indicating that it was the United States itself from whom they had taken inspiration."
17:55 < fenn> maybe virginia came up with the idea of compulsory sterilization
17:57 < fenn> "...ultimately rooted in economic arguments and further as a central element of Progressivism alongside wage controls, restricted immigration, and the introduction of pension programs."
17:57 < fenn> 'Some Progressives strongly supported scientific methods as applied to economics, government, industry, finance, medicine, schooling, theology, education, and even the family. ... Reformers felt that old-fashioned ways meant waste and inefficiency, and eagerly sought out the "one best system".'
17:58 < fenn> "Some Progressives sponsored eugenics as a solution to excessively large or underperforming families, hoping that birth control would enable parents to focus their resources on fewer, better children. Progressive leaders like Herbert Croly and Walter Lippmann indicated their classically liberal concern over the danger posed to the individual by the practice of Eugenics."
18:00 < fenn> ok i don't get it, what the fuck is progressivism
18:00 < fenn> how are emma goldman and henry ford both progressive leaders
18:03 < kanzure> "underperforming families" heh what
18:03 < fenn> poor people
18:04 < kanzure> not meeting their poorness targets, eh?
18:04 < fenn> well there's no good reason to have poor people
18:05 < kanzure> huh?
18:05 < fenn> they were trying to optimize society in every way, so getting rid of poor people is one way to raise the standard of living
18:06 < fenn> there are various ways to go about doing that, one might give them money or opportunity, another might simply sterilize them
18:07 < fenn> it's wrong in the same way that firing the bottom 10% of your employees is wrong, of course
18:09 < fenn> birth control was not an existing technology at the time
18:10 < fenn> .wik laserwort
18:10 < yoleaux> "Silphium (also known as silphion, laserwort, or laser) was a plant that was used in classical antiquity as a seasoning and as a medicine. It was the essential item of trade from the ancient North African city of Cyrene, and was so critical to the Cyrenian economy that most of their coins bore a picture of the plant." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserwort
18:10 < fenn> got an abdominal parasite? try old-fashioned laserwort for an effective cure!
18:11 < fenn> (it went extinct from overharvesting)
18:12 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VictorianPostcard.jpg  lmao
18:16 < fenn> "Sanger established a short lived birth control clinic in 1916, which was shut down just nine days later. Sanger was arrested for distributing contraceptives, and went on trial."
18:18 < superkuh> I planted some silphium perfoliatum (unrelated except named after the ancient plant) this summer. The pollinating insects love it.
18:19 < fenn> "Suppression of Trade in, and Circulation of, Obscene Literature and Articles of Immoral Use".
18:19 < fenn>  The Comstock Law criminalized usage of the U.S. Postal Service to send any of the following items:
18:19 < fenn> erotica, contraceptive, abortifacients, sex toys, personal letters alluding to any sexual content or information, or any information regarding the above items.
18:19 < fenn> jeez why didn't they just outlaw sex
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18:36 < kanzure> too bad that a lot of this was before people figured out molecular biology
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18:54 < kanzure> "Incremental network quantization: Towards lossless CNNs with low-precision weights" https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.03044
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18:56 < JayDugger> Thank you, archels.
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19:41 < kanzure> hmph
20:10 < kanzure> hmph 2
20:14 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/user/drewendy
20:19 < kanzure> 20:18 <+xentrac> it's kind of amazing that the apple pencil has a 32MHz CPU and will run for half an hour on a 15-second charge
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23:23 < juul> nmz787: hey you worked on an open source spectrometer right?
23:26 < juul> can you give me the lowdown? why use a CCD? wouldn't a prism/grating on a stepper motor and then a single sensor work fine?
23:26 < juul> and then you wouldn't have to worry about the specialized phosphor-coated glass for the CCD
23:26 < juul> i'm reading this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4440344
23:26 < juul> also, i'm very curious about phosphor coatings
23:27 < juul> where to get them, how to coat them, at which wavelengths do they work?
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23:47 < fenn> a CCD is faster because it doesn't have to scan through the spectrum
23:47 < fenn> scanning has potentially higher resoultion
23:49 < fenn> what's the point of the phosphor, just to detect UV when your sensor can't go that low?
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