--- Log opened Mon Aug 28 00:00:02 2017 00:00 < juul> fenn: yeah I need 260 nm 00:08 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:23 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:30 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:33 < fenn> it's just because the glass blocks UV? 00:33 < fenn> i think acrylic and sapphire transmit UV 00:35 < juul> yeah some types of glass transmit UVC 00:35 < juul> hm you might be right about acrylic 00:35 < juul> it's riiight around 260 nm that it cuts off 00:35 -!- darsie [~username@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:36 < juul> I believe CCDs won't generally respond to UVC 00:37 < fenn> looks like acrylic drops off around 275-300 http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~bacher/Specialtopics/Cuvette_Absorption.jpg 00:38 < fenn> fused silica or fused quarts looks ok though 00:38 < fenn> i seem to be losing my ability to spell 00:38 < juul> i thought it was just quartz 00:38 < juul> what's "fused" quartz? 00:39 < fenn> it's a high silica glass, basically melted pure silica 00:39 < juul> ok 00:40 < fenn> no idea what the difference is between fused quartz and fused silica 00:47 < fenn> i guess fused silica is higher purity because it involves a chemical vapor deposition step (from silicon tetrachloride) 00:48 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:53 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [] 01:12 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:18 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- darsie [~username@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:45 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-96-241-130-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-96-241-130-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:54 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:02 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:05 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:05 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08 -!- darsie [~username@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:09 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:13 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:18 -!- wrldpcmbl [uid145438@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-weaygynbzfxrecit] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:21 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:39 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:45 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:16 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:22 < fltrz> about the phosphor UV coating "A challenge we didn't get to solve was how to make something DIY that could be used to detect UV. It's difficult to sputter a uniform phosphor coating or remove a sensor window without specialized equipment." 05:22 < fltrz> why not simply use a fluorescent marker? 05:24 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:34 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:47 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:10 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:17 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:30 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU-rA5dkTHI 06:30 < yoleaux> Tadge Dryja: Discreet Log Contracts - YouTube 06:34 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:45 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:47 < kanzure> https://www.vincit.fi/en/blog/software-development-450-words-per-minute/ 06:59 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:59 -!- Darius [~quassel@66-215-89-229.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:20 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:22 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:37 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:07 < kanzure> https://www.gwern.net/Self-decrypting%20files 08:17 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@85.159.233.231] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:55 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:06 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=1da4f716 Bryan Bishop: transcript: discreet log contracts >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/discreet-log-contracts/ 09:09 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a299ae24 Bryan Bishop: include tweeter link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/discreet-log-contracts/ 09:10 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/discreet-log-contracts/ 09:47 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iekiflfumcepwxnq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:48 < nmz787> juul: most CCDs should respond to UV no problem, as long as there are no UV absorbers in the way (which often there is a piece of glass to isolate the sensors from dust and humidity, which would need replaced) 09:49 < nmz787> juul: CCDs and grating == no moving parts == less recalibration 09:49 < nmz787> juul: no phosphor coating needed, but you can sometimes get a signal boost that way 09:50 < nmz787> juul: I found a suitable dye at Kremer Pigments a while ago 09:51 < kanzure> nmz787: wanna hang out with streety in DC on sept 13? 09:52 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@85.159.233.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:56 < nmz787> juul: this appears to be the same dye I was previously thinking might work OK (better than nothing, but not as good as replacing sensor optics with UV-clear ones) http://shop.kremerpigments.com/en/dyes-und-vegetable-color-paints/fluorescent-colors/7015/fluorescent-violet?number=94730_ 09:57 < nmz787> kanzure: sure, I get in around 6PM 09:57 < kanzure> hmm. 09:58 < kanzure> okay i'll keep that in mind when i'm figuring out schedule 09:59 < nmz787> kanzure: plane leaving on the 15th around 5PM 10:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:15 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:51 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:08 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vctfvoogfdggcpqf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 < juul> nmz787: thanks! so CCDs will even do UVC like 260 nm? 12:12 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:12 < darsie> I don't even know whether CCDs create or dissipate charge during exposure. 12:30 < fenn> kanzure plz check enzymaticsynthesis moderation queue 12:31 < fenn> i'm receiving mails from it so i don't know why it would refuse me, unless it's not @googlegroups.com 12:37 < nmz787> juul: yes 12:39 < nmz787> juul: the TCD1304 sensor I used is the same as what is in an Ocean Optics USB2000 (I think) spectrometer, the difference is they replace the front glass with quartz or something like that (in a laminar flow hood, probably... maybe which is also being filled with dry nitrogen/air etc) 12:39 < nmz787> (I mean the gas/air in the hood) 12:40 < kanzure> O_O 12:40 < kanzure> fenn: i don't see any outstanding messages 12:41 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!pendingmsg/enzymaticsynthesis 12:46 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52 < kanzure> "Synbio didn't scare them == saw it as I do, perhaps the most powerful tool we have for addressing environmental and sustainability issues facing humanity. synthetic babies stuff is a bit nuts in the short term, but sustainability is something that can and should resonate with a wide spectrum of people today." 12:52 < kanzure> meh 12:53 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:03 < nmz787> kanzure: "We're writing to let you know that the group you tried to contact (enzymaticsynthesis) may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group. A few more details on why you weren't able to post: * You might have spelled or formatted the group name incorrectly. * The owner of the group may have removed this group. * You may need to join the group before receiving 13:03 < nmz787> permission to post. * This group may not be open to posting." 13:04 < nmz787> this was an autoreply I just got after emailing a new message/thread 13:04 < nmz787> (to enzymaticsynthesis@googlegroups.com 13:05 < kanzure> are you registered? 13:05 < nmz787> hrmm, I get emails... 13:05 < kanzure> says nmz787@gmail.com is already a member 13:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:07 < kanzure> nmz787: i sent a test message and it shows up in the moderation queue 13:14 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:27 < kanzure> 13:27 <+asciilifeform> this was worked as ancient sf plot : breed 'nonvirusable' folx, then plaguenuke everybody else 13:31 < kanzure> 13:29 <+asciilifeform> kanzure: i and ~50 other folx, lost jobs, because it proved ~impossible to persistently force $valuableprotein secretion in ecoli 13:31 < kanzure> 13:30 <+asciilifeform> kanzure: objective was to economically make (by the kg) a (modified) butyrylcholinesterase 13:39 < fltrz> err is somebody actually considering executing such a plot?! 13:39 < kanzure> fltrz: https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/hgp-write/2016-05-10/ultra-safe-cell-line/ 13:39 < kanzure> fltrz: https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/hgp-write/2016-05-10/recoding-ecoli-to-57-codons/ 13:44 < fltrz> sounds not only like bad ethics, but bad economics as well: if you dont first increase world population by much more than 10%-50% (bubonic plague survival rate is 50%-90%) you will have a large number of angry survivors to deal with ;) 13:45 < kanzure> oh you mean the death part 13:46 < fltrz> *rightfully angry 13:53 < nmz787> yes, this was [un]covered in the recent Resident Evil movie installment 13:53 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/ 13:54 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54 < nmz787> kanzure: I think the issue on the google group might be that I'm not a manager: Anyone can view content. 13:54 < nmz787> Anyone can join. 13:54 < nmz787> Only managers can post. 13:54 < nmz787> All posts are held for moderation. 13:54 < nmz787> Only members can view the list of members. 13:56 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:57 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:57 < kanzure> nmz787: but it says "all posts are held for moderation". 13:57 < kanzure> you should be able to send, ya? 13:58 < nmz787> nah, I don't even see a "post" icon/link on the webinterface 13:59 < kanzure> you have to send emailz 13:59 < kanzure> 13:57 <+mircea_popescu> in other words : you don't have the technology to even dare hope you may create one monster per million tries. what designer babies ? 13:59 < kanzure> 13:58 <+kanzure> i agree that the technology is missing. it should be built. 13:59 < fltrz> kanzure: do you support that "i am firmly against universal franchise" thing? 13:59 < kanzure> 13:58 <+mircea_popescu> this is not how technology is built. 13:59 < kanzure> fltrz: i have no idea. i am illiterate and reading is difficult. 13:59 < kanzure> fltrz: i know that jrayhawk will find it interesting, though 14:00 < nmz787> kanzure: well emails are just getting immediately bounced back 14:04 < nmz787> :( maybe you can just repost what I sent you 14:04 < nmz787> (just tried re-forwarding to Anyone can view content. 14:04 < nmz787> Anyone can join. 14:04 < nmz787> Only managers can post. 14:04 < nmz787> All posts are held for moderation. 14:04 < nmz787> err 14:04 < nmz787> damn copy paste 14:05 < nmz787> Anyone can view content. 14:05 < nmz787> Anyone can join. 14:05 < nmz787> Only managers can post. 14:05 < nmz787> All posts are held for moderation. 14:05 < nmz787> ugh, so sorry 14:05 < kanzure> 14:04 <+kanzure> i agree that should or shouldn't doesn't factor into it, but rate does change with intellectual effort 14:05 < kanzure> 14:04 <+mircea_popescu> it changes with intellectual ~discipline~. thisis not the same thing as effort. 14:05 < nmz787> enzymaticsynthesis@googlegroups.com 14:06 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06 < kanzure> got the address wrong? 14:08 < kanzure> hmm 14:11 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:12 < kanzure> nmz787: could you send again? i've upgraded you to an admin. 14:16 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18 < kanzure> 14:13 <+mircea_popescu> https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm << there we go. so kanzure : fine piece as any to explain the difference between "effort" and discipline. 14:23 < juul> nmz787: why the hood/gas? i expose my DSLR CCD to the open air all the time and just clean it with an air blast if it gets dust. 14:24 -!- Aurelius [~cpopell@50.35.79.117] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXn4_JkVFVo 14:24 < yoleaux> cat plays theremin - YouTube 14:31 < kanzure> 14:31 <+mircea_popescu> the ~only important thing is if your knowledge is structured or not ; and how. hence that older observation re dictionaries, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 etc. 14:32 < kanzure> 14:28 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703847 << let's have a look at what "Documenting" would look like on a topic of interest (intelligence) : http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/ 14:47 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what do you make of this http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ 14:47 < kanzure> and the earlier one. 14:50 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52 < kanzure> his claim is that technology is not built by people who want to build technology but "by discipline". i don't completely understand his epistemology yet. 14:54 < fenn> .wik butyrylcholinesterase 14:54 < yoleaux> "Butyrylcholinesterase (HGNC symbol BCHE), also known as BChE, BuChE, pseudocholinesterase, or plasma (cholin)esterase, is a nonspecific cholinesterase enzyme that hydrolyses many different choline-based esters. In humans, it is made in the liver, found mainly in blood plasma, and encoded by the BCHE gene." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyrylcholinesterase 14:55 < fenn> well that's uninformative 14:55 < kanzure> ~nonspecific~ 14:56 < fenn> "In 2008, an experimental new drug was discovered for the potential treatment of cocaine abuse and overdose based on the pseudocholinesterase structure (it was a human BChE mutant with improved catalytic efficiency). It was shown to remove cocaine from the body 2000 times as fast as the natural form of BChE." 14:57 < kanzure> why would they do secretion anyway. why not just spin the ecoli in centrifuges? and only spin the fat ecoli (or at least the sizes where it starts making economic sense) 14:57 < fenn> "Butyrylcholinesterase is a prophylactic countermeasure against organophosphate nerve agents. It binds nerve agent in the bloodstream before it can exert effects in the nervous system." 14:58 < fenn> i guess secretion because it simplifies purification? 14:58 < kanzure> yea probably because the production cost of centrifugation is too high. or purification cost. but.. just increase the size. 14:58 < fenn> i doubt centrifugation costs anything 14:59 < kanzure> honduras thing http://www.havenamericas.com/ 15:00 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:b8f2:22b:72b4:8be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:01 < fenn> have 1 americas, have 2 americas, have n americas 15:03 < kanzure> n factorial americas 15:03 < fenn> another uninformative website 15:03 < fenn> there sure is a lot of code on that page 15:04 < fenn> 300k of html for 1 sentence 15:04 -!- fltrz [d5d38b31@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.211.139.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:05 < kanzure> http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/ 15:06 < fenn> this is starting to sound like steve 15:06 < fenn> is popescu still a raging asshole? 15:06 < kanzure> i'm not convinced he's an asshole 15:09 < kanzure> 'Someone, somewhere, may well possess the secret of how to build a thermonuke using the materials of ordinary electronics.' 15:09 < kanzure> *cough* 15:09 < fenn> well stimulated emission is theoretically possible, but supposedly nobody has figured out how to do it 15:09 < fenn> it still requires nuclear isomers 15:09 < fenn> not hard to obtain many of them though 15:10 < kanzure> what are the non-ordinary electronics used in nukes precisely 15:10 < fenn> enriched uranium or plutonium for one 15:10 < kanzure> i'm a little confused. i know the prepwork is really annoying and laborious in theory. perhaps he should just mean a low-effort nuke. 15:11 < kanzure> oh right he doesn't believe in fucking effort 15:11 < fenn> they also need special thyratrons or something to trigger the explosives at precisely the right time, but i'm skeptical about that. why wouldn't mosfets work just as well 15:11 < kanzure> :confused: 15:12 < fenn> i wonder if asciilifeform meant whoever it was working for was planning on releasing nerve gas in large quantities 15:14 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:14 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Client Quit] 15:15 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:19 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:b8f2:22b:72b4:8be] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:38 < maaku> kanzure: precise timing fuses for shaped charges 15:39 < maaku> assuming a fission primary 15:39 < kanzure> ah hmm 15:39 < kanzure> and how precise is precise here? 15:49 < jrayhawk> i feel like popescu is what happens when you confuse postmodernism with intellectualism and then read too much alt-right literature 15:51 < jrayhawk> the right has a lot of catching up to do when it comes to postmodernist fuckery 15:51 < kanzure> i was trying to figure out what feats he can claim but it also sounds like he is claiming that he doesn't need to exercise feats anyway 15:51 < kanzure> so a whole bunch of crap to justify laziness? but i'm still trying to confirm/den.y 15:54 < jrayhawk> 'slavery' is a pretty good target for semantic manipulation, but i don't feel like he has the discipline to pull it off 15:55 < kanzure> if this just amounts to writing weird blog posts then this all seems pretty boring 15:56 < fenn> why do you think this is interesting and not just political rambling 16:03 < maaku> kanzure: that's a question I used to know the answer to. sub-nanosecond, but I don't remember exactly how precise 16:04 < kanzure> fenn: wealth 16:04 < maaku> it's almost certainly a national secret though, but not a well kept one 16:04 < fenn> is he fantastically wealthy now? 16:05 < fenn> and is that a result of anything except getting lucky at the cryptocoin lottery? 16:05 < kanzure> i think he was bitcoin user 8 16:06 < kanzure> or something like that. 16:06 < fenn> what is he doing with his wealth then 16:07 < fenn> iirc he was a scientist 16:07 < fenn> oh maybe that was laurentiu mircea popescu, who died in 2015 16:09 < kanzure> 16:08 <+kanzure> mircea_popescu: your blog posts offer something yes. or are you just babbling for no reason? 16:09 < kanzure> 16:08 <+mircea_popescu> well, actually, i'm the authority here, definitionally what i'm saying can't be babbling. you've upgraded your argument from "your intel is broken" to tmsr dun werk, it's a very dubious trek. 16:09 < kanzure> 16:08 <+mircea_popescu> take a more productive tack, like say something concrete. 16:10 < fenn> thorium molten salt reactor? 16:10 < kanzure> 16:10 <+mircea_popescu> kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning." 16:15 < jrayhawk> normally i model meaning as being transactional, wherein all parties merely elect to participate, but i suppose coercion works, too 16:17 < jrayhawk> i wonder what actual leverage he has 16:19 < jrayhawk> normally the left derives semantic authority from threats of mob violence/witch hunts; what does he have? 16:21 < kanzure> 16:21 <+mircea_popescu> apodictics! 16:22 < nmz787> juul: probably because your camera isn't a scientific instrument, where dust can greatly affect your results... in photos you just notice the annoying spec of dirt and you lose the art show competiton, etc... 16:22 < kanzure> .wik apodicticity 16:22 < yoleaux> ""Apodictic" or "apodeictic" (Ancient Greek: ἀποδεικτικός, "capable of demonstration") is an adjectival expression from Aristotelean logic that refers to propositions that are demonstrable, that are necessarily or self-evidently the case or that, conversely, are impossible. Apodicticity or apodixis is the corresponding abstract noun, …" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apodicticity 16:23 < fenn> juul: the camera sensor has a glass cover 16:24 < kanzure> 16:23 <+phf> ah makes sense, for some reason i thought 3d printers went in the direction of spiroligomers, but hackerspace for which i was mocked is running a CRISPR project in their fridge so this is consistent 16:26 < jrayhawk> Meaning is about maps; apodicticity is only about territories. Symbols and substance. 16:27 < fenn> please clarify why this is not philosophical wankery 16:31 < jrayhawk> For instance, the circumstances in which you want a topographical map versus a geological map versus are political map versus a demographic map versus a watershed map are all very different; all meaningfully describe the same territory accurately. The choice between them is one of subjective utility. 16:34 < kanzure> 16:34 <+mircea_popescu> anyway, in practical terms i am politically powerful because i've successfully protected a bunch of smart people from idiocy for years, and they have the (pewrhaps unwarranted) expectation this may continue. 16:34 < jrayhawk> that sounds fascinating; how does that work 16:34 < kanzure> just criticising everything 16:34 < jrayhawk> oh 16:35 < kanzure> 16:35 <+mircea_popescu> because the political power is a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt out with many people. 16:38 < jrayhawk> he needs verifiable/falsifiable examples, but i think i have already stopped caring 16:41 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686026 16:41 < kanzure> 16:41 <+asciilifeform> re 'if you're modellable, you are a mechanical part, not a power' 16:43 -!- darsie [~username@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43 < juul> nmz787: hm, ok. any tips on how to remove the glass easily on those panasonic units? 16:44 < nmz787> not sure, acetone maybe 16:44 < kanzure> 16:38 <+kanzure> i'd settle for "observed tendencies or use of power that would probably fail without such power" 16:44 < kanzure> 16:39 <+kanzure> you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that 16:44 < kanzure> 16:39 <+mircea_popescu> funny you should mention that, there's also a discussion re rng and power in teh logs. 16:48 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 < nmz787> I wonder how many FIBs and SEMs (and TEMs and STEMs) are damaged by this Texas storm 16:50 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53 < nmz787> hmm, there's a new biotech thing starting on the floor below genspace (or at least where genspace was) 16:56 < kanzure> alright well that was a waste of time 16:56 < nmz787> kanzure: ah, I see there is an option to allow 'all members' posting rights here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!groupsettings/enzymaticsynthesis/basic 16:57 < nmz787> which I don't think conflicts with moderation 16:57 < kanzure> i just got two notification emails 16:57 < nmz787> :) me too 16:58 < kanzure> and then your email (through the mailing list) 16:58 < kanzure> welp we might be bad at email 16:58 < nmz787> I rejected my first attempt, as it had some 'forwarded' stuff in the headers and body that was ugly 16:59 < kanzure> these settings may have been broken for years 16:59 < kanzure> why did fenn mention this earlier today, before you? 17:00 < fenn> i sent an email to the list 17:00 < kanzure> well ain't that a coincidence. 17:01 < kanzure> it should work now 17:02 < fenn> thanks 17:03 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@static-173-59-27-112.phlapa.ftas.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 < kanzure> could the atmosphere be flooded with gas + nutrients sufficient to feed a person if lungs weren't awful 17:19 < fenn> hydrogen? 17:20 < kanzure> alright well fusion is your answer for everything 17:20 < fenn> i mean you could spray a glucose aerosol but it would also be explosive 17:20 < cluckj> airponic humans? 17:21 < kanzure> explosive aersol might be okay because you could potentially protect different regions of atmosphere with different explosion-absorbing aerosol reaction materials 17:21 < kanzure> but locally i guess you would be more explodable 17:25 -!- rpifan [~rpifan@136.55.14.48] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:10 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10 -!- Asterion [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 < kanzure> http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html 18:17 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:19 < fenn> 24 hours of entropy, really. 18:19 < fenn> there's paranoia and then there's overkill 18:23 < kanzure> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored 18:24 < kanzure> ( http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored ) 18:27 < mrdata-> "When your setup is spitefully, unpredictably, arbitrarily non-standard, vermin die squealing under your unyielding boot." 18:27 < mrdata-> lol 18:27 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:29 < kanzure> yeah i don't know anymore 18:29 < kanzure> buncha noise 18:33 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:36 < yashgaroth> who are these 50 "folx" who wanted e.coli to secrete a significant amount of protein? 18:39 < fenn> re 4096 rsa key factored, "probably just a wrong copy on the server: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561179 18:39 < fenn> it doesn’t pass the self check and was probably broken while uploaded. 18:39 < fenn> therefore probably nothing really happened." 18:40 < kanzure> yashgaroth: probably some random startup 18:40 < yashgaroth> ah, that's a lot of people to dedicate to a dumb idea 18:40 < fenn> probably just some neonazis that want to gas everybody except themselves 18:41 < kanzure> yeah i'm not sure where it was coming from. ecoli for secretion? wat? 18:41 < fenn> nothing to worry about, carry on 18:41 < kanzure> are we the baddies? 18:41 < fenn> are you planning on gassing everyone? 18:41 < fenn> if so, yes 18:41 < kanzure> 17:17 < kanzure> could the atmosphere be flooded with gas + nutrients sufficient to feed a person if lungs weren't awful 18:42 < fenn> organophosphate nerve gas isn't particularly nutritious 18:42 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43 < yashgaroth> ehh, it's got all the building blocks you need...maybe with micronutrient supplementation 18:46 < kanzure> sponges figured it out, right? 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