--- Log opened Mon Sep 04 00:00:08 2017 00:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:35 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:41 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:52 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:06 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:31 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:31 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:11 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:16 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:37 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:44 -!- CRM114 is now known as Urchin 02:44 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:57 -!- darsie [~username@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:49 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:33 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:54 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:55 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:44 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Client Quit] 07:46 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:14 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 08:22 -!- aeiousom1thing [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:25 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:33 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igxtjnlrlgjtkvnc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@unaffiliated/p0nziph0ne] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:12 < JayDugger> And remember, futurism tells you more about the present than about the future. 09:44 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:07 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:10 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:20 < kanzure> who? 10:21 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32 -!- Jenda`_ [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Jenda` 11:38 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:41 -!- danfox [~danfox@vulpinedesigns.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:41 -!- dustinm- [~dustinm@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 11:42 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:43 -!- danfox [~danfox@vulpinedesigns.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- Pasha [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- Pasha is now known as Cory 11:52 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@host109-155-26-129.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 < eb3c90> It has been a while. Not writing so much code, hope to get back to it. Working on a website: https://improvingautonomy.wordpress.com/ 12:22 < yoleaux> 21 Feb 2017 09:23Z eb3c90: I have no interest in discussiong shoulds our oughts here, but I do think something like your manifesto should exist. There needs to be a pro-human-augmentation movement with a good PR and lobying organization. 12:22 < yoleaux> 21 Feb 2017 09:24Z eb3c90: it does need some work though. It's a little short and incoherent at the moment. 12:22 < yoleaux> 21 Feb 2017 14:18Z eb3c90: i think you do yourself a big disservice [in the manifesto] by assuming basic income and automated labor. why not make the starting point be the present, rather than some hypothetical future? 12:24 < eb3c90> Oh wow. That was a long time ago. I'll try and figure out how to reply to those people. 12:29 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32 < TMA> eb3c90: I have gone through the front page and the economics of autonomy 12:33 < eb3c90> What do you think? 12:33 < TMA> eb3c90: for all I know, any progress (or even any "progress") so far was made by increasing cooperation -- i.e. reducing autonomy 12:36 < TMA> eb3c90: which somewhat bothers me, because I feel I need to be autonomous, for I am unable to cooperate meaningfully [as measured by not ripping off/not being ripped off] 12:39 < TMA> eb3c90: I gather that one of the main goals is to increase resiliency of the human existence (both at the individual and the species level) 12:40 < TMA> eb3c90: I think that would be best served by elongating the life span and letting natural selection kill of those not wanting resilience enough 12:40 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41 < fltrz> eb3c90: there was a while I was very much into graphbased user interfaces, and reading your agorics comments I realized that my rationale was a form of agorics as well 12:41 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:42 < fltrz> i.e. after command line interfaces, we had windowed user interfaces, so different applications can share the same screen resource 12:42 < eb3c90> That is a goal and also space exploration. We're not going to make it in the harsh outer space with our current level of capability. I'm pretty neutral on life extension myself. 12:42 < fltrz> even though the sharing is in practice very minimal, apart from some notification icons and a clock, most of the time a single application is fullscreen 12:44 < fltrz> I was simultaneously obsessed with graphs, because relationships between objects are in general not linear, and I wanted to have a kind of user interface (for abstract information only, i.e. not pictures, plots etc) where you could explore topics, but different applications/plugins would contribute insights to the graph, these could then more properly share the screen, instead of arbitrary rectangles 12:45 < TMA> eb3c90: the lack of resilience in the current world is mainly caused by the perceived cost being higher than the perceived benefit. what point is in avoiding buildin near a volcano that goes off every five thousand years on average? why to plan for more than the next election term? 12:45 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:46 < TMA> eb3c90: on the other hand, if that would mean you'd experience the eruption a thousand times during your lifetime, you would adjust you valuation function 12:49 < eb3c90> TMA: Our psychologies will definitely change if we live longer. I personally hope that some of short termism is because of lack of resources, if you have to think too much about today, you might not have enough energy to plan for the long term. 12:50 < TMA> eb3c90: the other path is to reduce the population -- nine tenths shall be enough for start -- we would immediately have free capacity and thus a level of resilience 12:52 < TMA> eb3c90: having only one tenth of population could easily reduce consumption by 50% or more even with accounting for increasing the standard of living 12:53 < eb3c90> I'm hoping we can get people into heavy high tech recycling. 12:55 < eb3c90> firtz: I've not thought that much about how the graphical user interface will work. I'm just prototyping with a cli. Do you have links to some of your thinking? Preferably with diagrams :) 12:57 < eb3c90> Sorry flrtz ^ 13:00 < fltrz> eb3c90: sadly no links or descriptions 13:01 < fltrz> but I was busy with a nonfinished graph drawing application, with weighted voronoi diagrams, the centroids being where the nodes would be located so that less 'focussed' nodes would take up less pixel area, and the recently clicked one(s) and their nearest neighbours would have more space for themselves 13:02 < fltrz> I still believe in its utility, but I have higher priority projects atm, BCI interface, time machine etc 13:19 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@unaffiliated/p0nziph0ne] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20 < eb3c90> I like the idea of BCIs , but not found a computer I trust enough to interface with yet. 13:21 < eb3c90> fltrz: I see how that is a bit agoric in nature. 13:25 < fltrz> I also have issue with trustworthiness of computers, but even more so for any future mass deployed BCI interfaces by say facebook etc 13:28 -!- aeiousom1thing [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:49 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:2c2a:f45e:b205:c0d8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:58 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:2c2a:f45e:b205:c0d8] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:06 < kanzure> hmm 14:07 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hayorxcvxxsfdgvt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:25 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:40 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@184.250.221.23] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:55 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@host109-155-26-129.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:02 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@184.250.221.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:23 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- atrus6 [~atrus6@72.241.82.247] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:55 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: Malvolio] 16:15 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:18 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:54 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:58 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hayorxcvxxsfdgvt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:05 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:09 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:41 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:42 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:42 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:20 -!- streety_ [~streety@li306-83.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:40 < kanzure> chexing digital garage things out 18:49 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:01 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04 -!- streety_ [~streety@li306-83.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - 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Let's see. https://www.nextplatform.com/2017/08/23/first-depth-view-wave-computings-dpu-architecture-systems/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIifc8XUEAAlZMN.jpg (@Reza_Zadeh) 23:59 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Sep 05 00:00:09 2017