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(-Jake Vanderplas) 01:58 < Urchin> archels: I thought that was a common sentiment 02:02 < archels> maybe it is! 02:04 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:09 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:18 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:37 -!- darsie [~username@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:49 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:40 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:56 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Quit: That's it for today] 03:57 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:57 -!- CRM114 is now known as Urchin 04:04 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:27 -!- streety_ [~streety@li761-24.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 04:29 -!- streety_ [~streety@li761-24.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:47 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:53 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:03 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:44 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@47.185.237.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:02 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:06 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:10 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:25 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:32 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:33 -!- catern [~catern@104.131.201.120] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:34 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48 -!- TinKode [~TinKode@unaffiliated/tinkode] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:51 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:03 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:04 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 < archels> https://blog.frontiersin.org/2017/08/29/frontiers-in-robotics-and-ai-why-humans-find-faulty-robots-more-likeable/ 07:09 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:09 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:20 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:51 < fltrz> yeah, i'd feel less threatened by cars that kill people ? 07:51 < fltrz> I suppose as a taxi driver I would... 08:11 < fenn> .title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4758184/ 08:11 < yoleaux> Laser induced mortality of Anopheles stephensi mosquitoes 08:16 < fenn> i wonder if ultrasonic mosquito burning would be better, since it doesn't have the same problem with reflections blinding people 08:27 < kanzure> but you would still burn people? 08:28 < kanzure> oh, people are not usually shaped like mosquitos. ok. 08:35 < fenn> they killed 100% of mosquitoes with 0.5 J/cm^2 green laser light 08:35 < fenn> that's not very much energy, i doubt it would even burn a human 08:37 < fenn> it would not even raise your skin temperature more than 1 degree 08:41 -!- atrus6 [~atrus6@72.241.82.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49 < fenn> 0.75 J/cm^2 my bad 08:53 < fenn> it only takes 10mJ to kill a mosquito when using a 10 ns pulsed Nd:YAG 09:09 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@p200300E10BD18E0010C2870E6EB83924.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@p200300E10BD18E0010C2870E6EB83924.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 09:26 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@unaffiliated/p0nziph0ne] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@unaffiliated/p0nziph0ne] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50 -!- TinKode [~TinKode@unaffiliated/tinkode] has quit [Quit: TinKode] 09:56 < fltrz> fenn: that would depend on the peak power, i.e. what W/cm^2 ? 09:57 < fltrz> ok just read your last statement, that corresponds to 1 GW 09:58 < fltrz> I think that would burn some upper layers of your skin just as well 09:58 < fltrz> a typical microwave oven is 1 kW or so I guesstimate 10:00 < fltrz> then again, slapping a mosquito on your skin can sometimes result in a bruise as well, but still, I wouldnt want to get 1GW/cm^2 or so in my eyes 10:31 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@p200300E10BD18E00AC2488F1A1AC6E65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@p200300E10BD18E00AC2488F1A1AC6E65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 10:31 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@unaffiliated/p0nziph0ne] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:50 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 < fenn> 0.75 J/cm^2 was over 25ms so 30W 10:52 < fenn> they mentioned that the fast pulse laser was 1MW and was significantly more dangerous 10:53 < fenn> the comparison to a microwave oven is meaningless 10:54 < fenn> I was just impressed with how energy efficient the head asploding was 10:56 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 < fltrz> it explodes their head specifically? :-o 11:22 < fltrz> I guess its that efficient because the mosquito has small volume of water and is surrounded by air? 11:29 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:52 < fenn> it just doesn't take very much energy to physically break a mosquito 11:58 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:07 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:14 -!- bluebear_ [~dluhos@80.95.97.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:25 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:30 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:58 -!- jtimon [~quassel@199.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 -!- darsie is now known as immortal 12:59 -!- immortal is now known as darsie 13:03 -!- p0nziph0ne [~p0nziph0n@unaffiliated/p0nziph0ne] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:22 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:22 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:14 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:19 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:17 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-orlyqfqxjtiurbto] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:23 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-000-222-214.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:40 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 < kanzure> hmm 16:19 < kanzure> say that scihub really really wants to be the gateway to their stolen data: they could release an encrypted version of the data with a hierarchical key scheme where the master key is timelock encrypted, but every ther file can be individually decrypted by having the data and then going to scihub to get an individual decryption key. scihub can also give out individual decryption keys ... 16:19 < kanzure> ...specific to each user that makes a request so that they can track that data if they really want to do that. 16:20 < kanzure> *every other 16:20 < kanzure> by releasing this encrypted data and getting that widely distributed, plus timelock encryption on the master root key, they would be ensuring their legacy (which seems to be important to them), and in the mean time they actually have a much lower footprint (where they only have to manage a few 10s of millions of keys) 16:22 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:25 < fltrz> kanzure: I don't think they want to be the gateway, if they provide torrents for the whole thing (not sure they do) 16:25 < kanzure> she told me she wanted to be the gateway 16:25 < kanzure> the torrents aren't seeded by anyone with real bandwidth.... it's all a ruse. 16:26 < kanzure> it's been multiple years now 16:26 < kanzure> i know of **nobody** with a complete mirror 16:26 < kanzure> the magnitude of this problem is difficult to overstate 16:27 < fltrz> with p2p file storage system, one could find a means to reward downloading & seeding individual articles? 16:28 < fltrz> some contract on ethereum with storj or whatever 16:28 < kanzure> i am sitting here with bram cohen and he doesn't have any good ideas about this 16:28 < kanzure> other than "give it to julian" 16:29 < fltrz> kanzure: could I see the surrounding context of her statement that she wanted to be the gateway? 16:30 < fltrz> being the gateway may not imply requiring exclusivity or smth, perhaps its just prohibitive for them to pay infinite uploading to potential sybil attacked /DDoS downloading by original publishers 16:31 < fltrz> also perhaps many people did succeed in securing a copy, but in many jurisdictions downloading is legal uploading is not 16:38 < fltrz> I wonder if julian takes this as a project, if the resulting articles would be accused of being deliberately falsified? 16:39 < fltrz> ah no they don't make this argument with sci-hub, because every scientist who has published a paper would see their paper is correct/unmodified on sci-hub 16:41 < fltrz> kanzure: I still hope to see a quote of her insisting on being the (sole or not?) gateway 16:42 < kanzure> i am checking for the direct statement and i don't have it. i have some other weird conversations that indicate hesitation but it might be related to the person making the ask (...me) not the actual requests. 16:42 < fltrz> is bittorrent DDoS-able? or the seeders? 16:44 < kanzure> fundamentally the problem is that nobody is going to seed 50 TB. you need just ... striaght up hosts. and to make some initial copies. like get 200 seeders or whatever. and then you can do torrents. 16:46 < fltrz> kanzure: with budget and contract on Ethereum, it could be "amazon turked", the author of the contract gets the sql database index, and builds merkle tree of the document hashes (ask sci-hub to publish a new sql index with SHA256 hashes instead of MD5 first) 16:48 < fltrz> so the contract only stores the root hash, and then each article (or group of 10 articles) is assigned to say 3 or so volunteers, and they have to 1) upload it on storj or whatever, 2) agree on SHA256(doc1 + doc2 +... + commonsalt) 16:48 < fltrz> only if you download it would you be able to know the hash 16:49 < kanzure> why are you using ethereum here....? 16:49 < fltrz> the volunteers blind their response again by commitment 16:49 < fltrz> not sure how it would be implemented on bitcoin 16:49 < kanzure> that should not require ethereum. are you sure that's all your doing? 16:50 < kanzure> fltrz: i am in the pit of fire of bitcoin developers for next few days, i've been typing transcripts https://coredev.tech/nextmeeting.html 16:50 < fltrz> true it shouldnt require ethereum, but once you upload the contract and the money (speaking of which, whos going to fun this?) you won't be DDoSed for organizing the scheme 16:50 < kanzure> "who's going to fund this" well i have a number of people who would be willing to fund this to very substantial amounts, so that's not a problem 16:51 < kanzure> same people who would be funding timelock bitcoin incentives 16:51 < fltrz> regarding the "why ethereum", I guess this could be done in bitcoin as well, let me think a bit 16:51 < kanzure> using this technique https://github.com/petertodd/timelock for instance 16:52 < kanzure> you also don't need storj (you could easily use just regular hosting or if you absolutely must use a storj-like thing, use siacoin) 16:53 < fltrz> "storj or whatever" I meant any decentralized data storage... 16:54 < fltrz> whoever runs the regular host is taking quite some risk no? 16:54 < nmz787> kanzure: we need a graph of memory speeds over the years, in terms of active read/write throughput, not access time 16:54 < kanzure> fundamentally i think the first step is to get the full data. it's been more than 3 years and i still don't know anyone with a complete copy. so that's the bottleneck. once someone has the data, various crypto schemes can be devised to accelerate its distribution. but the primary bottleneck needs to be toppled first. 16:54 < fltrz> and disregarding the personal risk, for the group there is still the centralized risk 16:55 < nmz787> kanzure: I found this which seems like a good timeline, but it lacks Mbps/etc http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/memory-storage/ 16:55 < kanzure> fltrz: it's centralized risk but i would argue it's temporary, as long as the users that download from that source also continue to repeat the procedure recursively with new sets of people each time. 16:55 < kanzure> fltrz: if the whole thing fails and there's only one primary source with good bandwidth, then yes that source will fail and get lots of the blame/risk :-( 16:56 < nmz787> kanzure: someone is trying to claim read speeds are only 1Mbit per week 16:56 < kanzure> nmz787: we need to figure out if twist is using electrochemical detritylation 16:56 < nmz787> kanzure: and I pointed to the ion thing claiming 5-10 gig bases in 2 days 16:56 < kanzure> for synthesis..? 16:56 < nmz787> kanzure: no that is read/seq 16:57 < nmz787> minIon Imean 16:59 < kanzure> $395k in scihub donations https://blockchain.info/en/address/1K4t2vSBSS2xFjZ6PofYnbgZewjeqbG1TM 16:59 < nmz787> kanzure: electrochemical detritylation makes sense, as long as the electrodes don't wear out too fast I guess 17:00 < nmz787> I seem to recall that being a concern, but maybe I was/am just bad at electrochem 17:00 < kanzure> so she has received $395k in donations... how much before i should expect people to have mirrors? 17:03 -!- cevi_ [~zeb@2601:184:4080:be08:51f8:b669:57d7:23e2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 < fltrz> kanzure: I don't think the current archiving would compress the pdf's by much (I could be wrong), so scraping the pdf's seems like faster than seeders 17:05 < kanzure> scraping from original source, or from scihub? 17:05 < kanzure> scihub actively blocks connections that are slurping up lots of data 17:06 < kanzure> cevi_: welcome back 17:06 < fltrz> kanzure: so finding an automatic reward structure for downloading from scihub, uploading & hosting on say siacoin, seems easiest, and also flexible towards the future as more pdf's get added to scihub 17:06 -!- cevi_ [~zeb@2601:184:4080:be08:51f8:b669:57d7:23e2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07 < fltrz> kanzure: thats why the scraping is outsourced to volunteers, download 10 articles, get a little change 17:07 -!- cevi_ [~zeb@2601:184:4080:be08:51f8:b669:57d7:23e2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:07 < fltrz> if some dude tries to milk the system and finds a way to circumvent the sci-hub blocking mechanism, or automates the captchas good for him 17:07 < cevi_> hello 17:07 < kanzure> outsourcing the scraping from scihub? 17:07 < fltrz> scraping from sci-hub yes 17:08 -!- cevi_ [~zeb@2601:184:4080:be08:51f8:b669:57d7:23e2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08 < kanzure> and that shouldl be faster? hmm. 17:08 < kanzure> it's an interesting (and depressing) claim 17:08 < fltrz> kanzure: that would be many users in parallel 17:09 < kanzure> probably faster to just scrape the original content 17:09 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/blob/master/urls.txt 17:10 < fltrz> original content = publishers? euh, perhaps faster but you need a network of scientists etc who trust their credentials to you 17:10 < kanzure> not scientists. how do you think scihub got its data? 17:10 < kanzure> it's from any of the ezproxy logins 17:11 < fltrz> so, those proxies are installed on computers within university networks? 17:11 < kanzure> every single library uses ezproxy 17:12 < kanzure> it's a service that the universities provide to their students for login/access while away from campus (like if you live off campus or in the dorms) 17:12 < fltrz> I don't understand, (not familiar with ezproxy, sounds like a general proxy software) 17:12 < kanzure> ezproxy is basically generic proxy software, but it's distributed by the lilbrary monopoly corporation 17:12 < fltrz> sure, I was at uni, and we got personal VPN credentials 17:12 < kanzure> https://www.oclc.org/en/ezproxy.html 17:13 < kanzure> most universities do not give out vpn credentials... it's just username + password (student ID and password) for ezproxy. 17:13 < fltrz> sure, so you still need credentials 17:14 < fltrz> okay I should have said scientists & students 17:14 < fltrz> with sci-hub you no longer need credentials 17:15 < fltrz> just crowdsource the scrape (parallel makes fast) 17:15 < kanzure> no i mean that's how scihub is doing it. 17:15 < fltrz> yes 17:16 < fltrz> but sci-hub needs people on the inside to leak their credential 17:16 < fltrz> with credential I mean in widest sense, so user/pass I also consider credential 17:17 < kanzure> scihub has captchas btw 17:17 < kanzure> so need to use deathbycaptcha or related services :( 17:17 < fltrz> kanzure: leave it to the crowdsourced volunteers 17:18 < kanzure> wtf? 17:18 < kanzure> for 50 million requests? 17:18 < fltrz> yes 17:18 < kanzure> you're welcome to try but i wont be responsible for your failure 17:18 < kanzure> btw what is dabamirror.sci-hub.* 17:18 < fltrz> I mean, someone is bound to try and milk the system, and will use deathbycaptcha or custom method to bypass the captcha 17:19 < fltrz> win - win 17:19 < kanzure> or twin.sci-hub.* 17:19 < fltrz> make the captcha someone elses worry 17:19 < kanzure> what? or you can just do your job and do it right the first time.... 17:20 < fltrz> I'm not going to pull an Aaron, I think it's better if there is no single person to point at and blame 17:22 < kanzure> interesting that it's hosted in seychelles. maybe a seeder is located there too. quasinetworks.com 17:22 < fltrz> i.e. not caring about the captcha's also functions as dividing responsibility, the groups that succeed in bypassing the captcha's take on part of the responsibility 17:23 < kanzure> and moscow.sci-hub.bz 17:23 -!- cevi_ [~zeb@2601:184:4080:be08:51f8:b669:57d7:23e2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:23 < fltrz> another reason for ignoring the captcha's is if sci-hub takes down the system for a day and installs a different captcha system 17:23 < kanzure> deathbycaptcha is a captcha solving outsourcing system. it gives the captchas to humans. 17:23 -!- cevi_ [~zeb@2601:184:4080:be08:51f8:b669:57d7:23e2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24 < fltrz> ok then depthbycaptcha 17:25 < kanzure> strangely enough, cloudflare might be caching the entirety of what scihub has (probably not-- it would require someone to request each thing from scihub...) 17:25 < kanzure> (otherwise it wont be in the cloudflare cdn cache thing) 17:53 < fltrz> "An average response time of 11 seconds" how fast would sci-hub require the captcha? 17:57 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@188.227.115.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:57 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@188.227.115.178] has quit [Client Quit] 18:03 -!- danfox [~danfox@vulpinedesigns.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:04 -!- danfox [~danfox@vulpinedesigns.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:51 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@47.185.237.246] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:37 -!- TinKode [~TinKode@unaffiliated/tinkode] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:40 -!- darsie [~username@84-113-55-42.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:50 -!- TinKode [~TinKode@unaffiliated/tinkode] has quit [Quit: TinKode] 20:15 -!- _Tsubashi_ [~Asterion@24.38.131.202] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51 -!- yashgaroth_ [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:54 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:09 < jrayhawk> https://www.wired.com/2017/08/the-hotel-hacker/ daeken-peripheral story 21:28 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:29 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:18 < kanzure> most places give you entire minutes 22:39 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:842d:4000::3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:44 -!- yashgaroth_ [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:48 < nmz787> kanzure: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332229&page_number=3 22:49 < nmz787> "One major downside is that it is read at speeds of about 1 Mbit per week." 22:49 < nmz787> "Ceze described a system that is the biological equivalent of a tape library with a robotic arm. It uses tiny wells that can pack 10 TBytes worth of DNA linked by software-controlled microfluidics channels." 22:50 < kanzure> i dunno what this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNy1sTNC3SI 22:51 < nmz787> http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/03/07/114553 22:51 < nmz787> .title 22:51 < yoleaux> Scaling up DNA data storage and random access retrieval | bioRxiv 22:54 < nmz787> "We would like to thank Bill Peck, Patrick Finn, Siyuan Chen, Andrew Stewart, Bernadette Arias, and Emily Leproust, from Twist Bioscience for providing the DNA, suggesting protocol refinements and offering input to our data analysis. We also thank James Bornholt, Krittika D’Silva, and Anselm Levskaya for their help in the early stages of this project" 22:56 < kanzure> another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCey05BDR_s (first one was better?) 23:01 -!- jtimon [~quassel@199.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:02 < kanzure> 'We further stress-tested our coding approach by successfully decoding a file using the more error-prone nanopore-based sequencing' 23:03 < kanzure> nmz787: page 7 of that paper. they literally left out the synthesis technique. O_O 23:04 < kanzure> "we used twist" is not an appropriate answer 23:04 < kanzure> i guess we can go ask anselm if he knows 23:06 < kanzure> done 23:09 < nmz787> I guess it is a test, a datapoint, if nothing else 23:17 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22 < nmz787> huh, ROb Carlson is part of that UW lab http://misl.cs.washington.edu/ 23:27 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Log closed Wed Sep 06 00:00:10 2017