--- Log opened Fri Nov 03 00:00:04 2017
00:32 < nmz787> so PDB web viewers don't have a friggin scale bar
00:32 < nmz787> I need to file a feature request
00:32 <@fenn> an alpha helix is an ok scale indicator
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00:33 < nmz787> yeah but zoom, etc
00:33 < nmz787> the scale bar is something easy to add, I'd think
00:33 < nmz787> and I don't know offhand how big an alpha helix is
00:33 < nmz787> maybe 8nm?
00:34 < nmz787> err, I was imagining a beta barrel
00:34 < nmz787> anyway... it basically means I can view random proteins and get some quick data
00:35 <@fenn> wikipedia says 1.2nm diameter
00:35 < nmz787> see, I need scale bar
00:36 < nmz787> hrmm, what is the best open-source software bounty website?
00:36 <@fenn> i just looked into that and they're all terrible
00:36 <@fenn> everything is focused on security exploits
00:36 < nmz787> is this something I can pay a guy in eastern europe $35 to take care of for me?
00:36 < nmz787> damn
00:37 < nmz787> I guess some bookmarklet could probably jam a scale bar into the javascript viewer PDB offers
00:37 <@fenn> you'd have better luck donating to the project with a request attached
00:38 < nmz787> do they have a donation page?
00:38 <@fenn> no idea
00:39 < nmz787> .title http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/news.do?year=2017&article=598480ed61fd3d50915a4b0d
00:39 < yoleaux> RCSB PDB - News and New Features
00:39 < nmz787> .title http://foundation.wwpdb.org/index.html
00:39 < yoleaux> wwPDB: Worldwide Protein Data Bank
00:40 < nmz787> huh, FEI, JEOL, and Schrodinger are all sponsors
00:53 <@fenn> so does cardarine cause cancer or not?
00:53 < nmz787> haha
00:53 < nmz787> we'll maybe know in 30 years
00:53 < nmz787> I was wondering if I could just take it and keep sitting around like I do
00:54 < nmz787> and just, umm, breath better and stuff... have better thoughts
00:54 <@fenn> yeah i was wondering how bad it would have to be wrt cancer for it to increase mortality
00:54 <@fenn> lots of people die of diabetes etc
00:57  * nmz787 donated with a message
00:57 <@fenn> also add a feature enhancement request on their bug tracker if there is one
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01:42 < nmz787> well, they don't seem to have a bug submission or feature request
01:42 < nmz787> but I found this other "molecular machinery" viewer thing... which has a scale bar http://mm.rcsb.org/
01:42 < nmz787> .title
01:42 < yoleaux> Molecular Machinery: A Tour of the Protein Data Bank
01:45 < nmz787> hmm, the enzymes are a bit smaller than I have been thinking
01:54 < nmz787> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Dg3LjLooA&feature=youtu.be
01:54 < yoleaux> Extreme (q)PCR - 2015 Farrar & Wittwer lightning demo - YouTube
01:55 < nmz787> 15 seconds
02:01 < fltrz> I just watched the first video on openwater BCI thing
02:02 < fltrz> its more general than BCI, but it is the main (eventual) focus
02:02 < fltrz> the dynamic holography is indeed used to unscatter wavefronts
02:03 < fltrz> by means of phase conjugation
02:04 < fltrz> the write ability is by focusing a relatively high intensity of IR on a group of or a single neuron
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05:27 < kanzure> vtk has scale bars
05:28 < kanzure> what was "compound 14"?
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08:39 < kanzure> wat "In the absence of any agreement, each co-inventor owns 100 percent of the patent, regardless of how much each individual contributed to the invention. Patent law gives co-owners of a patent the right to make, use, license, sell and import the patented invention within the United States in whatever way they please, without the consent of the other co-owners."
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09:06 < kanzure> "It should be noted that in states such as California and Texas where community property laws apply, there may be joint ownership of an invention made during the marriage and any patent arising from it even if only one spouse is in fact an inventor.6 Where an inventor may be subject to such a law, it is therefore a good idea to make sure that the non-inventing spouse agrees that the patent ...
09:07 < kanzure> ...should not be regarded as community property or agrees to any transfer of rights that may occur."
09:12 < kanzure> http://www.ipwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Sample_Joint_IP_Ownership_Clauses.pdf
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14:20 < fltrz> I watched the second Mary Lou /openwater interview, practically everything she says makes sense
14:20 < fltrz> but I do wonder why she insists on LCD specifically vs say DLP (I assume because of higher quality because a pixel can take on a range of phases or transparencies, while DLP would be binary, but DLP could potentially work at higher frame rates)
14:21 < fltrz> also DLP might need a more bulky optical path, but for bulky DIY prototypes DLP should work just as well
14:21 < fltrz> I am assuming DMD mirror sizes have been decreased significantly for higher resolutions over the last decade
14:21 < fltrz> oh ok currently TI's DMD mirror pitch is 5.4micron so thats not small enough
14:22 < fltrz> but where do I learn more about LCD displays of submicron resolution?
14:22 < fltrz> this is more insider information she seems to have access to, all the concepts she mentions have been known for a long time and individually demonstrated
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15:32 < nmz787> kanzure: that company in Rochester got back to me saying they could reproduce a very similar (to that sub-20 nm array paper) nanopore with electrodes for $6-10k... but made some comment about not being able to do interleaved electrodes right away
15:38 < nmz787> so if RNA polymerase is like 5nm wide... I guess we need like a 2 nm nanopore
15:38 < nmz787> hrmm
15:38 < nmz787> I think the FIB could make a 5nm pore (in say off the shelf 50nm thick silicon nitride)
15:38 < nmz787> then ALD could tighten the hole up
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17:09 < fltrz> now I'm wondering why openwater is looking at submicron LCD pixels, are they somehow easier to miniaturize than camera sensor pixels? the kinect has 10um X 10um pixels, if these could be scaled to wavelength scale, the phase conjugation could be done in software, this should also allow the device to be thinner
17:13 < fltrz> ah no right, for write ability you still want to use a SLM
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22:41 < kanzure> megablort
22:42 < kanzure> san francisco blort
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