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01:38 <@fenn> battle angel alita movie by james cameron looks very faithful to the manga
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03:15 < archels_> hmm, so now I'm wondering why I'm using Mayavi instead of just the python-vtk wrappers
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04:38 < fltrz> pff slow news days
04:38 < fltrz> "UFO" videos with hallmarks of optical phenomena
04:40 < fltrz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1uLwUTDA0 < the object rotates simultaneously with camera roll
04:41 < fltrz> if you're a dog, and you're seeing unidentified wagging tails, and the tail seems to move just as you move, you are probably seeing yourself (directly or indirectly)
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08:53 < fltrz> I just saw the documentary "the patent scam", its hilariously tragic
08:54 < fltrz> in the end the problem is exceptionalism and corruption
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13:55 < Douhet> Is there a basic calculation to predict SNPs of offspring from a couple's 23andme SNP datasets?
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14:10 <@fenn> like punnett squares?
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14:24 < mrdata> Douhet, probability of a heritable mutation is about 10^-8 per nucleotide, per generation, iirc
14:25 < mrdata> so if human genome has 3.2 billion base pairs, then expect 32 per generation
14:25 < mrdata> or are you just looking at parents' sequences"?
14:26 <@fenn> 23andme samples a fixed subset of genome locations
14:26 < mrdata> okay
14:26 <@fenn> you don't get any data about random new mutations, or at least it's extremely unlikely
14:28 <@fenn> they sample 600,000 to 1 million locations
14:29 <@fenn> so the probility of detecting a new mutation (using your numbers) is about 1%
14:30 <@fenn> probability*
14:37 < mrdata> interestingly, the number of generations since the last great choke point in human numbers (70k years ago, there were fewer than 10,000 humans world wide, maybe 1000 in africa which was he largest population) is only about 3500; so this would give just 112,000 SNPs in your ancestral line to that point
14:38 < mrdata> yeah, i bet testing 1 million locations would pretty much cover every ethnicity
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15:05 < nmz787> Douhet: I am also just looking into this, using the data mostly to check out the known mutations like for CTFR... so far things look like neither of us have mutations there... so it's down to polymerase errors that go undetected I guess
15:25 < Douhet> nmz787, how do you interpret one having a known mutation and the partner not?
15:26 < nmz787> in the raw data section it lists both alleles
15:26 < Douhet> .5? Or 10^-8 to 1-10^-8
15:26 < nmz787> Douhet: I was looking at snpedia and google scholar
15:27 < nmz787> Douhet: because the friggin FDA made them take down their own interpretation tools, because doctors-orders
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15:28 < Douhet> wouldn't want people self-diagnosing now would we (with data that would not be accepted in any medical lab)
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16:06 < kanzure> bored
16:06 < JayDugger> Have you considered back-translating DBZ dubs to Japanese?
16:07 < JayDugger> Or you could do something constructive.
16:14 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/Mangan150/status/941125746608631809
16:14 < yoleaux> Beta blocker, very commonly prescribed, cheap, blood pressure drug, reduced breast cancer mortality by 80%. http://ascopubs.org/doi/full/10.1200/JCO.2010.33.5422 (@Mangan150)
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16:47 < kanzure> 21:04 <@gwern> if only I had invested in bitcoin in 2009, then I'd be rich enough now to fund vat babies
16:47 < kanzure> 21:06 < s0ph1a> gwern: isn't kanzure-senpai doing like Just That ?
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17:08 < gradstudentbot> That's definitely a Nature paper.
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17:08 < gradstudentbot> Future work will focus on that.
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17:08 < gradstudentbot> Where's my pellets?
17:08 < mafi286> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETzbosrbj: Qfwfq potatope juri_ adlai darsie catern hehelleshin pasky_ HEx1 berndj docl y0no gradstudentbot Gurkenglas sivoais fltrz ebowden Taek justanotheruser mindsForge jtimon rpifan jrayhawk nmz787
17:08 < gradstudentbot> I am kind of curious what he has a Ph.D. in, I can't really find this anywhere, it could be underwater basket weaving for all I know.
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17:09 < gradstudentbot> My matlab crashed.
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17:09 < Joshchamp> what the fuck is going on?
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17:09 < gradstudentbot> My code works. I have no idea why...
17:09 < namespace> kanzure: Please kill this stupid bot.
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17:09 < gradstudentbot> Why did I go to grad school?
17:09 < Joshchamp> there's a dozen channels with these bots
17:09 < namespace> Joshchamp: It's a spam bot.
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17:09 < gradstudentbot> Friends don't let friends go to super school.
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17:09 < gradstudentbot> I think using the laser is making me sterile.
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17:09 < gradstudentbot> Oh there might be something on scihub about this.
17:09 < Joshchamp> namespace: they're on a LOT of channels though
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17:10 < gradstudentbot> I think my PI hates me.
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17:10 < gradstudentbot> Guys, where are my samples?
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17:10 < gradstudentbot> Did you order the carbon nanotubes yet?
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17:10 < gradstudentbot> None of my experiments are working.
17:10 < Joshchamp> oh there's some livestream going on
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17:10 < Joshchamp> I checked out the youtube link
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17:11 < namespace> Thank you.
17:11 < maaku> <gradstudentbot> That's definitely a Nature paper.
17:11 < gradstudentbot> How many pages do I owe you?
17:11 < maaku> lol who coded this thing?
17:11 <@kanzure> me it's mine
17:12 < namespace> ...Wait really?
17:12 <@kanzure> yeah
17:12 < namespace> What's that youtube link then.
17:12 <@kanzure> gradstudentbot is mine
17:12 < gradstudentbot> Man, if only I could biopsy his organs.
17:12 < maaku> its been pretty topical lately.
17:12 < maaku> the "I coauthored a paper about that a few years ago." a day or so ago was comedy gold (in context)
17:13 < gradstudentbot> Ugh, my clinical trial isn't going so well.
17:13 < ebowden> God, what an annoying cunt you just quieted.
17:14 < mrdata> is also spamming ##science under another nick
17:14 < mrdata> life is better with /ignore
17:14 < ebowden> Apparently they are trying to get them banned by spanning IRC.
17:15 < ebowden> (Get the youtube channel banned.)
17:15 < mrdata> what channel is that
17:15 < mrdata> i didnt click
17:17 < ebowden> They made fun of the guy who's spamming the shit out of IRC channels.
17:17 < juri_> they are tellu14 in #linux-sunxi
17:17 < ebowden> So he's mad about it.
17:17 < ebowden> (Why he
17:18 < ebowden> (Why he's spamming everyone trying to get them banned.)
17:21 < mrdata> childish is as childish does
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17:37 < berndj> every ecosystem needs predators to cull the weak
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17:47 < mrdata> berndj, and what do the weak think about this?
17:49 < berndj> just commenting on spam. i see these IRC flooders as something like an inevitable / necessary evil?
17:50 < berndj> they apply the evolutionary pressure that makes weak channels die so stronger ones can flourish
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17:56 <@kanzure> berndj: in here we aspire to be better than hitler, so keep that in mind
17:56 <@fenn> these nicks are not real accounts
17:57 <@fenn> they have random letters username and ircname
17:57 < berndj> kanzure, wow, that escalated fast :( i tend to think that irc channels are not people, and it's ok to let the weak ones die
17:58 <@kanzure> what is a battle angle
17:58 <@fenn> angel
17:58 <@fenn> it's a stupid american editor's decision
17:58 <@fenn> the original title was "gun dream"
17:58 < berndj> also, sometimes bad channels enjoy network effects, and require some external force to dislodge so a healthier stable state can coalesce
17:58 <@kanzure> hitler never escalated fast enough, not sure what you mean
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17:59 < berndj> i couldn't name you any truly bad channels though, because i'm not in them. anthropic principle for irc channels?
18:00 <@fenn> truly we are blessed by your presence
18:00 <@fenn> noone here but us p-zombies
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18:40 <@kanzure> what do people have against p-zombies?
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19:02 < mrdata> not much; they can watch all the TV they like, if they pay for cable
19:03 <@kanzure> huh?
19:03 < mrdata> kanzure, i think the point of the exercise is to tell the difference between sapience and fakery
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19:03 <@kanzure> what's wrong with effective fakery ?
19:04 < mrdata> it's soulless
19:04 < mrdata> but so is zonign out in front of a tv
19:05 < mrdata> or flipping instagram pics
19:08 < mrdata> or flipping burgers at mcdonalds
19:10 <@kanzure> huh?
19:21 < mrdata> kanzure, the concept of the philosophical zombie serves to point out that many other philosophical concepts are on shakey foundation
19:22 < mrdata> if you can find no qualitative difference between someone who is a p-zombie or a real person, then mystical properties such as a soul might be unreal
19:23 < mrdata> but the above activities i mention do not engage the higher self
19:23 < mrdata> they would not be used, if we try to tell the difference
19:26 <@kanzure> this soul thing sounds useless
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19:27 < mrdata> of course many people claim it exists, and without it life would have no purpose
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20:18 <@fenn> i would expect p-zombies to not cause anthropic effects, since by definition they are not sapient
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20:48 < maaku> "without it life would have no purpose" I would challenge that, but not here
20:49 < maaku> fenn: maybe we just need a bioethics board to declare our test subjects to be p-zombies, so silly rules won't apply
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