--- Log opened Sat Feb 10 00:00:48 2018 00:08 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:9a33:e668:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:13 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: ORGANS IN MAINS] 00:18 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-15.itcanada.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:29 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:9a33:e668:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:33 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:35 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:38 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11 < maaku> kanzure: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/263 02:11 < maaku> but the bulletproofs paper pretty much subsumes this : https://crypto.stanford.edu/bulletproofs/ 02:14 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:11af:19a2:b781:45ef] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:23 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:11af:19a2:b781:45ef] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:11af:19a2:b781:45ef] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:29 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:11af:19a2:b781:45ef] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:03 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:81c3:80bd:edc9:6295] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:08 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:81c3:80bd:edc9:6295] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:28 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:acc1:28:e968:1cfb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@90.161.22.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@90.161.22.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:a05c:cff5:ba69:74bc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- rustyler_ [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:a05c:cff5:ba69:74bc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@2a01:c50e:2f13:6a00:acc1:28:e968:1cfb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:48 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@adsl-15.itcanada.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:22 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:36 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@188.227.115.178] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@188.227.115.178] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:40 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 06:00 < kanzure> thank you 06:00 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e1134abc Bryan Bishop: transcript: malin 49 bulletproofs >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/2018-02-02-andrew-poelstra-bulletproofs/ 06:03 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:04 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4ba6a330 Bryan Bishop: tweeter link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/2018-02-02-andrew-poelstra-bulletproofs/ 06:05 < kanzure> yerp 06:10 < andytoshi> lol, i like that you linked to the fable of the dragon, but i was referring to the thing where you're woken up and shown a coin flip, and if it's heads you get woken up again and if it's tails you don't 06:10 < andytoshi> and you don't remember if you were woken up earlier or not. so the question is "given that you've been woken up, what is the probability that the coin will be heads" 06:10 < andytoshi> or something like that 06:13 < andytoshi> otoh it has more social value to spread the fable of the dragon, so maybe i should leave that link be.. 06:33 < kanzure> didn't know about the coin flip one 06:40 -!- kelu124 [b09efc21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.158.252.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:44 < kanzure> kelu124: be greeted! 06:45 < kelu124> hi kanzure, always a pleasure to drop by ! 06:47 < kelu124> Saw some logs from MrHindsight and spurserh about ultrasound - especially about piezo sourcing. I had a page ready ( around https://github.com/kelu124/echomods/blob/master/cletus/2017-06-08_FindingSuppliers.md ) on piezos and the difficulty to source correct ones. 06:47 < kelu124> also wanted to share the fact that we may see a paradigm shift from arrays to single element (as in single pixel camera) to do 4D imaging, that's something to be explored. 06:56 < kelu124> I would also recommend them to get a hold of the 10.1109/ULTSYM.2013.0142 paper "A low cost open source high frame-rate high-frequency imaging system" for the mechanical aspect of things. 06:57 < kanzure> .title http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6725177/ 06:57 < yoleaux> A low cost open source high frame-rate high-frequency imaging system - IEEE Conference Publication 07:50 -!- Taek [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 07:51 -!- Taek [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:01 < kanzure> kelu124: added that paper, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ultrasound/ 08:14 -!- watching [6425cb7b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.37.203.123] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 < kanzure> watching: hi. 08:18 < watching> hello, just found this group by way of http://heybryan.org/ 08:19 < kanzure> here's some info http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap 08:20 < watching> thank you, its interesting 08:22 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=6d03400f Bryan Bishop: add brain uploading >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/hplusroadmap/ 08:24 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=17c56e20 Bryan Bishop: add polymerase stuff >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/hplusroadmap/ 08:25 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c6d9c3d3 Bryan Bishop: fix gene editing link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/hplusroadmap/ 08:25 < watching> on the brain uploading...was thinking about freezing a private key somehow or encoding it with an unknown crypto value 08:26 < kanzure> freezing? 08:26 < watching> meaning cryonics 08:27 < watching> worried though if I swallow the key and then there is rumor I am frozen with the key.... 08:27 < kanzure> consider it an incentive for someone to figure out memory uploading/extraction 08:28 < kanzure> there's a company that has been thinking about ways to do zero-knowledge proofs of memory for cryopreserved (well, vitrified) brains and connectomes 08:28 < kanzure> essentially the problem is that we don't yet know how memory is really preserved, but it might be possible to demonstrate the ability to detect differences in memory between otherwise similar brains 08:28 < watching> cool *no pun intended* I don't know this one? 08:28 < kanzure> (calling it zero-knowledge might be premature, since it's not really a cryptographic proof as far as i know) 08:29 < watching> my thought was to setup a group of us hopefully in different facilities where one of us has the key or each has a multi-sig to a key 08:29 < watching> what is the company doing this? 08:29 < kanzure> i'm not sure if i'm allowed to say 08:29 < kanzure> they are a new startup 08:30 < watching> ^^^ neat 08:30 < kanzure> been around since 2015. i don't think they have announced this sort of thinking yet.. 08:31 < watching> as long as elon doesn't steal longevity for another IPO narrative I think the door is just opening 08:32 < watching> are you involved with any of the ecosystem designs//blue seed//blue origin? 08:32 < kanzure> he's not going to do longevity. biology is not his specialty.. his neuroscience stuff is really just electronics/hardware really. 08:32 < kanzure> no 08:32 < watching> good 08:32 < adlai> watching: you should spend some time thinking about which torture would you rather undergo: having your every path through meatspace constantly ransacked for financial breadcrumbs, or just being locked in a cell and beaten until you spill the secrets 08:33 < watching> where do you stand on openBCI--> sorry if thats a newb question 08:34 < adlai> or rather, make sure you have a specific [class of] enemy in mind before you design your security protocols 08:34 < watching> adlai: *sad* if thats the future maybe I will give it to precilla chang foundation ;) 08:34 < adlai> "'the' future"? 08:34 < kanzure> openBCI the eeg thing? i'm not impressed by eeg in general. 08:34 < adlai> it's a way of saying, "any security system you design will get broken apart by a bully, if they decide to pick on you" 08:34 < watching> although if I setup a lottery like "one of the 1000 of these people swallowed the key"... 08:35 < watching> the key is a insurance payout covering the 1000 participants 08:37 < watching> or...maybe just kicking the rumor off in this chat room will make the bad agents pay to unfreeze me if I never acquire enough funds...so...rumor start 08:38 < watching> does this group have a mailing list so I can keep up? Or just mine the logs ? 08:39 < kanzure> just mine the logs. mailing list was abandoned in 2007. also i post things on twitter: https://twitter.com/kanzure 08:40 < adlai> why do you want to be unfrozen? 08:40 < watching> got it, mining the logs is mailing list resistant *ahem* will follow 08:40 < adlai> if the only reason for future agents to unfreeze you is to squeeze some key out of you, what's to stop them from freezing (or trashing) the leftovers? 08:41 < adlai> being a useful thing is worth more than any finite quantity of bitcoins. 08:41 < watching> adlai: it depends if I think I have enough capital that people will be willing to go through the costs of repairing me to steal the memory of the private key. Like they auction storage units that don't pay I wonder if there will be organ clauses for units whose family office or what not no longer covers the cost 08:42 < adlai> this sounds like a discussion beyond my pay grade of cryopreservation-lawyering. 08:42 < kanzure> adlai: more generally, one of the problems with brain uploading is that, you should technically be able to create human-level cognitive software long before you have an accurate brain emulation of the original person. and companies have a lot of incentive to monetize human-level cognition, and less incentive to finish the quality of the emulations. 08:43 * adlai still fails to understand what "human-level" cognition means 08:43 < watching> "and less incentive to finish the quality of the emulations" agreed except for the "pleasure industry" 08:43 < kanzure> adlai: human-level means copyright infringement basically. 08:43 < adlai> how so? 08:43 < adlai> if it breaks copyright law for fun and financial loss, that makes it human? 08:44 < kanzure> adlai: the general brain structure for humans is broadly the same. personality, memories, etc. is just some extra configuration details. 08:44 < watching> adlai: above my pay grade too just trying to think it through before selecting one of the out-of-the-box providers like Alcor 08:45 < watching> kanzure: what about the theories--eastern medicine--of chi? emotional stores in other parts of the body? EG: my left foot makes me the grumpy self that I am 08:45 < adlai> watching: i'd strongly recommend that you first convince yourself of the continuity of consciousness across a freeze/thaw cycle, before paying one of these companies; unless you don't care about your own consciousness, but then why are you shopping around that field anyway? 08:45 < kanzure> adlai: your theory seems to require a belief in consciousness... 08:46 < watching> adlai: agree with kanzure here timeless consciousness might just be the logs of your ideas in whatever form 08:46 < adlai> i'm just still baffled by the whole brain freeze industry, but i guess many industries are powered by hopes, dreams, and beliefs in reincarnation 08:47 < kanzure> adlai: then you should also be baffled by your willingness to go to sleep each night 08:47 < adlai> my hatred of unconsciousness is finely balanced by my addiction to dreaming 08:47 < watching> adlai: I think the big jump here is just continuation of an idea. Our bodies and minds decay only for the next generation to lose most of the wisdom gathered. 08:47 < watching> "my hatred of unconsciousness is finely balanced by my addiction to dreaming" -- great t-shirt quote 08:47 < adlai> now, if Alcor et al promised me that i'd recall seven centuries of dreams upon being thawed... that would be a sales pitch! 08:48 < watching> I think porting your senses during something that feels like sleep wouldn't be a big step once brain backups are complete 08:49 < watching> if we can correctly back up the synapse we can likely replay it 08:49 < adlai> watching: so maybe the more effective immortality is to put effort (whether time or money, yours or others' - irrelevant) into distillation of your current mindset, so that future brains can resurrect you as efficiently as possible, whenever necessary 08:49 < adlai> for example, i'd say the most immortal man as far as my brain is concerned is Kilgore Trout, because all he did was smoke and write - and i mean, ALL HE DID. 08:49 < watching> very egalitarian of you 08:49 < watching> haha 08:50 < watching> not going to lie had to look that up 08:50 < watching> but at least my brain backup will now have Kilgore Trout in it 08:51 < adlai> "You know, the problem with science-fiction? It?s much more fun to hear someone tell the story of the book than to read the story itself." - Knox Burger, nowhere immortalized as Vonnegut's first editor-publishist-thingy 08:52 < adlai> watching: if you had to look up Kilgore Trout, then I envy you - because you have a lot of vonnegut left to read 08:53 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 < watching> sounds like a fun read 09:02 < watching> adlai: any experience with ketone? 09:04 < kelu124> adlai: thanks for reminding me of Vonnegut 09:05 -!- nexus [ad445d2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.68.93.45] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:08 -!- watching [6425cb7b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.37.203.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:09 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:20 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 * adlai discovers that he has yet again forgotten the "later tell watching something" syntax 09:27 < adlai> well if watching reads the logs - please elaborate what you mean by "experience with ketone". i have no idea whether you mean... answering questions about ketones in an organic chemistry exam? eating the less-comon keto derivatives of more-common street drugs? eating only proteins and fats and starving myself of carbohydrates? 09:31 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=9b61cca7 Bryan Bishop: really fix gene editing link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/hplusroadmap/ 09:31 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=163387bd Bryan Bishop: transcript: proof-of-space (bram cohen) >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/blockchain-protocol-analysis-security-engineering/2018/proofs-of-space/ 09:32 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8df84a49 Bryan Bishop: update tweeter link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/blockchain-protocol-analysis-security-engineering/2018/proofs-of-space/ 09:33 < kanzure> .to adlai stuff goes here 09:33 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to adlai. 09:36 -!- nexus [ad445d2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.68.93.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:37 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:4940:189c:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 < kelu124> haha awesome feat 09:44 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:4940:189c:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:45 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:4940:189c:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:45 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:4940:189c:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46 < MrHindsight> kelu124: my only beef was with the "open source" ultrasound projects not posting part numbers used for the piezo 09:46 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:4940:189c:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 < MrHindsight> kelu124: IIRC they used transducers/probes from off the shelf units rather than design them 09:48 < MrHindsight> it's probably outside the range of their abilities to do so anyway 09:49 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:49 < mrdata> you could complain but they wont hear you 09:49 < mrdata> ;) 09:49 < MrHindsight> just pointing it out 09:56 < adlai> .to kanzure thank you 09:56 < yoleaux> 17:33Z adlai: stuff goes here 09:56 < yoleaux> adlai: I'll pass your message to kanzure. 09:57 < adlai> .to watching please elaborate what you mean by "experience with ketone". i have no idea whether you mean... answering questions about ketones in an organic chemistry exam? eating the less-comon keto derivatives of more-common street drugs? eating only proteins and fats and starving myself of carbohydrates? 09:57 < yoleaux> adlai: I'll pass your message to watching. 09:58 < MrHindsight> kelu124: why come you didn't use a ARM board with open source firmware for the controller? 09:59 < kelu124> MrHindsight: hey there 09:59 < MrHindsight> Rpi - binary firmware blob, Beaglebone - closed GPU libs 10:00 < kelu124> MrHindsight: for the piezos, that's very true, tough to source. I experimented on dismantled probes, and got some piezos there, but that's a real blocker here. 10:01 < kelu124> MrHindsight: not to mention that it's tough to make by oneself. I'm still trying to find a way around that. 10:01 < MrHindsight> kelu124: if you come across any ChinaCo probes that are suitable let me know 10:01 < MrHindsight> I can try to source them there 10:01 < kelu124> MrHindsight: I've actually tried two of those, one I even asked the fab not to glue it. 10:02 < MrHindsight> or I'll get around to making probes when I get the time 10:02 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2600:380:4940:189c:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:02 < MrHindsight> the problem with ChinaCo will be getting probes made consistently 10:02 < MrHindsight> same parts, same number of parts, properly assembled etc 10:03 < kelu124> MrHindsight: the solution one may have is to work with the ChinaCo fabs directly - and document works. Still there's an issue of reliability of materials as you say... 10:03 < MrHindsight> since the philosophy is "if you don't notice then its fine" 10:03 < MrHindsight> there's not much in them 10:04 < MrHindsight> I just started looking into it 10:04 < MrHindsight> and as usual I assumed that someone else would have already done this part 10:04 < MrHindsight> not so 10:04 < kelu124> nope, a tough nut. 10:05 < kelu124> still, there's some progress in terms of compressed sensing so I guess that technologies may shift from arrays to single-sensors for basic imaging 10:05 < kelu124> and this may provoke some work in the field of single element sensors 10:05 < kelu124> btw the topic of RPi / BBB, i'm actually going over to ice40 fpgas - to get what I need in terms of acquisition and a bit of signal procssing 10:06 < MrHindsight> like my kids used to ask me "Is it hard to so so and so" my answer was always "it depends on who is doing it" 10:07 < MrHindsight> doing it in hardware? 10:07 < kelu124> and how much resources one has to move forward - especially when hardware is difficult to collaborate on 10:07 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:08 < kelu124> keeping the door open at least - the setup i have in mind a is a platform for compressed sensing, so I'll just expose a basic setup (acquisition) and leave a lot of LUTs free for however wants to play 10:09 < kelu124> compressed sensing may be too tough for poor ice40s - just want to explore this way which i believe may yield extremely interesting results in the near future 10:11 < MrHindsight> you have enough variants of working hardware on the acquisition side 10:11 < MrHindsight> I'll start on probes 10:13 < MrHindsight> in the olden days we did this with 8Mhz PC XT's and either array processors or a 20Mhz DSP over ISA bus 10:16 < kelu124> yeah that's the issue with hardware, difficult to plan when you have little hardware background. luckily the ice40 is to be the last iteration. 10:16 < kelu124> are you a ultrasound guy ? 10:17 < MrHindsight> not really, I started out on the analog side of signal processing back in the 70's 10:17 < MrHindsight> then in the 80's moved into DSP's and image processing in real time 10:18 < MrHindsight> we were excited to capture a single frame of RS-170 (525 line TV) in real time :) 10:19 < MrHindsight> the applications were ultrasound, radiology, MRI etc 10:21 < MrHindsight> those signal processing libs you use were all algorithms that we used to have to develop or transfer from a book into C 10:21 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:22 < kelu124> haha - and now im doing it to vhdl :) 10:32 < MrHindsight> PLD's were a big jump 10:32 < MrHindsight> then later FPGA's 10:32 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.156.60.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57 < MrHindsight> what I really need to do is make open source tools for DIY MEMS 11:00 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:04 < MrHindsight> https://azcobiotech.com/ hmm what happened to them? 11:05 < MrHindsight> site has been down, didn't see if they went out of business or merged with someone else 11:11 < nmz787> huh 11:31 < kanzure> i believe they were acquired by someone 11:32 < kanzure> hm nevermind 11:37 < kanzure> www.rechargebiomedical.com/liz-parrish-and-2yr-follow-up-from-telomerase-gene-therapy 11:37 < kanzure> er.. whatever. nevermind. 11:38 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:38 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:04 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:06 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Client Quit] 12:06 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:16 < kanzure> "Self-control in chimpanzees relates to general intelligence" http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)31676-7 12:17 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:26 < nmz787> positive or negative correlation? 12:26 < nmz787> i.e. more self-control == higher intelligence? 12:26 < kanzure> i wonder if it's just memory (remembering that you were intending to delay some future action and then really following through later) 12:26 < kanzure> if you don't remember then that would be pretty hard to achieve 12:53 < kelu124> MrHindsight: open source MEMs ? definitely a buy in for me! 12:54 < kanzure> "While this activity bears a superficial resemblance to financial intermediaries relaying bank wires, the nature of cryptocurrency networks means that none of these participants ever actually accepts the tokens. Only the person designated by the sender as the recipient in a cryptocurrency transaction message can ever spend the funds. Merely relaying ... 12:54 < kanzure> ...or intercepting the transaction message does not grant the full node or miner any actual control over the cryptocurrency being sent." 12:59 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: streety, red-001, nmz787, Burnin8, adlai, rancyd, rk[ghost], void3301, berndj, HEx1, (+76 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 13:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: heath, rustylerp, Gurkenglas, Malvolio, Taek, kelu124, darsie, MrHindsight, hehelleshin, juri_ (+75 more) 13:46 -!- entity8421[m] [entity8421@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hkckneemrnkdduwi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:46 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:51 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:01 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:dde9:ec1e:1f7e:b6a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:26 < kanzure> blort 14:37 < nmz787> bap 14:37 -!- rustylerp [~rustylerp@91.red-83-58-115.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:06 -!- entity8421[m] [entity8421@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ftswtnvzvqgzbmhk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@183.82.170.54] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@jaboja.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:30 < redlegion> burp 18:38 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@pool-108-12-216-64.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:46 < nmz787> aaaooooogaahhh 18:46 < nmz787> hi tomkinsc 18:46 < nmz787> I was just thinking about you :) 18:48 < kanzure> creepy 18:50 * nmz787 might pickup a GC-MS 18:50 < nmz787> GCMS + hydrogen generator... supposedly $1k on craigslist 19:08 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:25 -!- augur [~augur@192.195.83.130] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 -!- shirokuro [~mrscruff@ip68-107-112-155.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c 19:30 < yoleaux> Falcon Heavy Test Flight - YouTube 20:08 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:19 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-094-223-133-187.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:20 < nmz787> http://awesome.tech/personal-particle-accelerator/ 20:21 < nmz787> http://awesome.tech/ppa-overall-design/ 20:21 < nmz787> http://awesome.tech/category/ppa/ 20:25 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2605:e000:4f17:eb00:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:05 < fenn> it should be a series of straight segments connected by magnets at the vertices 21:05 < fenn> or else it should have some humongous magnet under the entire loop 21:06 < fenn> oh, it accelerates ball bearings 21:06 < fenn> yeah, fuck off 21:09 < kanzure> witness his complete disappointment. 21:09 < fenn> i thought it was actually a particle accelerator 21:09 < fenn> people used to have them in their living rooms you konw 21:12 < MrHindsight> I have one that uses pressure differential for food and dust particles 21:13 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@pool-108-12-216-64.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: http://takeitapart.com http://cht-t.com] 21:17 < MrHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hj3f7vQFZU DNA microarray, with sound effects and fun graphics! 21:25 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- TC is now known as Guest17428 21:29 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34 < nmz787> fenn: yeah, sorry, it looked good until I watched the video... 21:34 < nmz787> that drank! http://www.pnas.org/content/106/30/12489.full 21:34 < nmz787> .title 21:34 < yoleaux> Systemic administration of an antagonist of the ATP-sensitive receptor P2X7 improves recovery after spinal cord injury | Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 21:35 < nmz787> (FD&C Blue 1) 21:35 < nmz787> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UayQTu2kH-U 21:35 < yoleaux> Dave Chappelle - Grape Drink - YouTube 21:36 < nmz787> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu7bv7Ce8-Q 21:36 < yoleaux> Dave Chappelle - Sunny D (i want that purple stuff...) - YouTube 21:37 < MrHindsight> https://www.google.com/patents/US20160184788 A Method of Selectively Masking One or More Sites on a Surface and a Method of Synthesising an Array of Molecules 21:42 < MrHindsight> On each synthesis cycle, a wax-like masking material is added which protects array spots where the micro-heater is not activated. Protected spots are physically isolated from the addition reaction, which may explain their claimed low error rates. 21:50 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: and in their own bedroom this time] 21:54 < nmz787> .title https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.oprd.6b00139 21:54 < yoleaux> nmz787: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page. 21:54 < nmz787> Organic Solvent Nanofiltration (OSN): A New Technology Platform for Liquid-Phase Oligonucleotide Synthesis (LPOS) 21:58 < MrHindsight> membranes 21:58 < nmz787> seems like non-covalently bound membrane based synthesis? I'd still like to avoid the harsh solvents if possible 21:59 < MrHindsight> harsh schmarsh 22:00 < MrHindsight> Enzymatic based or bust 22:01 < MrHindsight> was just watching Thomas Ybert gibe his spiel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGuczgmcMe4 22:03 < nmz787> well if there was an electrochemistry, that would be better maybe 22:04 < nmz787> enzymatic means you have a huge supply of ATP input and ADP output... or you have a synthetic electron-transport chain to recharge the ADP + Pi 22:04 < nmz787> into ATP 22:04 < nmz787> but making an electron transport chain is not a prudent short term goal 22:04 < MrHindsight> someone was just telling me about how they found electrochemistry too spooky 22:05 < MrHindsight> https://vimeo.com/225379546 Foundational Tools & Engineering - Bill Efcavitch 22:05 < MrHindsight> from http://www.molecularassemblies.com/ 22:06 < nmz787> yeah 22:06 < nmz787> met him 22:06 < MrHindsight> exciting? 22:07 < nmz787> it's a very good idea that I think is pretty scalable... up to what I just said about ATP and ADP and not being able to simply feed it electrons from an AC->DC transformer 22:08 < nmz787> but that's just a drain on the bottom of the nanofluidic device and a printhead to load fresh ATP from the top (and probably once in a while new enzyme) 22:08 < nmz787> and we can solve electronic recharging of ATP later 22:08 < nmz787> heck that might be some proteing bionanowire enzyme hack 22:09 < nmz787> or maybe some special designer electrodes 22:09 < nmz787> who knows 22:09 < MrHindsight> https://phys.org/news/2018-02-delivery-cas9-sgrna-complex-cell-ultrasound-propelled.html 22:10 -!- suhdood [~suhdood@2605:e000:4f17:eb00:98a1:a7d:3642:173f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:10 < nmz787> I was saying more to use inkjet to load a microfluidic/nanofluidic at some (tiny) entry port 22:10 < MrHindsight> yeah 22:11 < nmz787> hmm, what you posted seems like it would be good for targetting tumors and such 22:11 < MrHindsight> I'm looking for that story that was on phys.org about the nano arm, was a few nm long, could rotate 360 22:12 < MrHindsight> brute force DNA assembly on the just above the angstrom scale 22:12 < nmz787> .title http://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6373/296 22:12 < yoleaux> A self-assembled nanoscale robotic arm controlled by electric fields | Science 22:14 < MrHindsight> yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9fuSVaszyg nice video 22:14 < MrHindsight> hmm I thought tit was smaller 22:15 < MrHindsight> tit/it 22:16 < nmz787> .title 22:16 < yoleaux> Watch a robot made of DNA swing its arm - YouTube 22:16 < nmz787> still watching efcavitch vid 22:17 < MrHindsight> they don't say much, they are running off to the patent office to block competition 22:18 < MrHindsight> https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2016128731A1/en?assignee=Nuclera 22:18 < MrHindsight> https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2016139477A1/en?assignee=Nuclera 22:19 < MrHindsight> https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2017009663A1/en?assignee=Nuclera 22:27 < MrHindsight> http://opentrons.com/robots reminds me of cnc glue guns 23:10 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:cd4d:3300:dde9:ec1e:1f7e:b6a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Sun Feb 11 00:00:49 2018