--- Log opened Tue Mar 06 00:00:11 2018 00:04 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:05 -!- TC is now known as Guest49443 00:08 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xmzwcafdlhgcbqpi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:43 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 -!- aeiousom1thing [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:50 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmpnslgcwvefhitj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:00 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has quit [Client Quit] 01:00 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:54 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:05 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:34 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has quit [Quit: ...and all my responses they stay the same.] 04:32 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:06 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:17 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: yes storing data on dna molecules or other polymers 05:17 < kanzure> spno 05:17 < kanzure> spurserh: no 05:17 < kanzure> tab complete has failed me. 05:19 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:24 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@234.103.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:53 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- Guest49443 [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:08 -!- drewbot [~cinch@54.234.48.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:28 < mrdata> he disconnected 06:29 < kanzure> yes i'm aware. 06:51 < kanzure> .title https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2018-February/001031.html 06:51 < yoleaux> [Lightning-dev] Post-Schnorr lightning txes 07:03 -!- suhdood [~Thaelim@2601:4a:c101:d1de:2c87:3965:2ba6:2a3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:21 < kanzure> captain underpants ceo now filming with another group https://www.facebook.com/josiah.zayner/videos/10103234712043307/ 07:23 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:32 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:36 < mrdata> does he still look human? 07:36 < mrdata> is he in good health? have his muscles popped? 07:51 < kanzure> huh? 07:51 < kanzure> you think that he was wrong when he said it has extremely low transfection efficiency....? 07:52 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@s5596eed8.adsl.online.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:52 -!- Nikopol_ [~NSohru@89.38.98.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:56 -!- NikopolSohru [~NSohru@s5596eed8.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:57 -!- Nikopol_ [~NSohru@89.38.98.76] has quit [Client Quit] 08:24 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:25 < archels> I found this thing in the dumpster https://imgur.com/a/2c3pI 08:25 < archels> yes, that's sticky tape holding the needle in place 08:28 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has quit [Client Quit] 08:28 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:30 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ionrebeyhcadawge] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- suhdood [~Thaelim@2601:4a:c101:d1de:2c87:3965:2ba6:2a3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:41 -!- suhdood [~Thaelim@2601:4a:c101:d1de:94fa:37b9:fd4d:7741] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:43 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:51 -!- QuadIgni [~FourFire@234.103.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:56 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@234.103.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:56 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@234.103.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:58 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@234.103.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Client Quit] 09:59 -!- QuadIgni [~FourFire@234.103.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:09 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:43 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: sounds good, write up a proposed proposal 11:03 -!- poppingtonic [~brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03 -!- aeiousom1thing [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- aeiousomething [aeiousomet@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:12 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:23 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:31 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdcqmnollfbcksme] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuqtxqdgnwzifgqh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:45 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:26 -!- DataPacRat [~dan@dhcp-108-170-158-198.cable.user.start.ca] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:40 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 < razzy> fenn: kanzure how sophisticated are roswell chips? trying to find some info 13:58 < kanzure> no idea 14:00 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:00 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 < razzy> i like the idea of chip 14:27 < emeraldgreen> is there a paper about it? how is it different from nanopore? 14:28 < emeraldgreen> Also: do you think there could be some use of opensource implementation of this protein folding RNN ? biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/02/14/265231 14:29 -!- suhdood [~Thaelim@2601:4a:c101:d1de:94fa:37b9:fd4d:7741] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:34 -!- suhdood [~Thaelim@2601:4a:c101:d1de:94fa:37b9:fd4d:7741] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:39 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Gurkenglas 14:39 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Gurkenglas 14:40 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:51 -!- suhdood [~Thaelim@2601:4a:c101:d1de:94fa:37b9:fd4d:7741] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05 < kanzure> .title https://biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/02/14/265231 15:05 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed. 15:05 < kanzure> .title https://biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/02/14/265231 15:05 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed. 15:05 < kanzure> hmph 15:16 < archels> .title https://elifesciences.org/articles/32822 15:16 < yoleaux> Research: Sci-Hub provides access to nearly all scholarly literature | eLife 15:27 < emeraldgreen> Cool paper about functional fingertip regeneration in juvenile rhesus monkeys https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00325287 there are references to clinical experience of similar regrowth in human children, but amusingly I cannot find any new clinical papers about such regeneration inhuman children, thus the question remains open - is regeneration of fingertips possible at least in some humans 15:45 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:02 < darsie> I wonder whether regrowth or taking better care for fingers is better for the human species. 17:21 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@dslb-178-005-162-043.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:22 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 17:23 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- Qfwfq [Qfwfq@gateway/shell/suchznc/x-dhmyirpnompfqfpd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- Qfwfq [Qfwfq@gateway/shell/suchznc/x-dhmyirpnompfqfpd] has quit [Changing host] 17:26 -!- Qfwfq [Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:26 -!- Qfwfq [Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Changing host] 17:26 -!- Qfwfq [Qfwfq@gateway/shell/suchznc/x-dhmyirpnompfqfpd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:46 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has quit [Client Quit] 17:49 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 < fenn> obviously regrowth is better 17:57 < fenn> disposable people are bad for the environment 17:57 < fenn> that's what i'm going to start calling deathists 18:00 < emeraldgreen> darsie: sad reality is such that our society pushes significant numbers of people into physically dangerous jobs. Automation could mostly solve this but the automation project is not currently undertaken and even if that would it would take decades 18:05 < emeraldgreen> fenn yup, usage of living sentient humans in ridiculously dangerous jobs speaks volumes about our civ (and our elites and even about me, a comfy white collar guy) 18:19 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ionrebeyhcadawge] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:33 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:44 < fenn> it maybe sooner than you think 19:15 -!- darsie [~username@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:48 < kanzure> hmph 19:51 < fenn> http://unpaywall.org/faq 19:54 < kanzure> "We do not harvest from sources of dubious legality like ResearchGate or Sci-Hub." fucking coward librarians 20:02 -!- emeraldgreen [~user@70.ip-145-239-90.eu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:07 < kanzure> i got a lot of pushback from petertodd, he seems to think those $100 million stepper motors are completely legitimate and should really cost that much to go build and develop 20:08 < kanzure> so now i'm getting more suspicious since people are telling me "no it really is tech magic" 20:21 < fenn> a stepper in a fab is not a stepper motor, it's an optical positioner 20:21 < fenn> it has to align the mask to the etch in progress on the wafer 20:21 < fenn> to within some small number of nanometers 20:22 < fenn> also they are very fast 20:22 < fenn> the mask image* 20:23 < fenn> i don't know why anything costs money so i'm the wrong person to ask 20:25 < kanzure> yeah but the real question is whether it would cost you infinity bucks to go and do it? 20:26 < kanzure> i get that, for some of these components, you need an incredibly smooth power supply or else you'll get terrible results at this level of resolution and small controlled motion 20:26 < kanzure> and other aspects need to be well-engineered as well. but is this really infinity dollars worth of engineering magic...? i'm not so convinced. 20:27 < kanzure> i was also given an economic argument like "well the world wide demand for semiconductors isn't that high and can't be much higher, so therefore there's only enough demand for a very limited number of fabrication facilities" but i find that very hard to believe... 20:28 < kanzure> it's like telling me there's a cap on global demand for computation or data. are you fucking nuts? -_- 20:32 < kanzure> if there's one trend to bet on for the next 100 years it's computation and data going up. like who would be stupid enough to take the other side of that. 20:42 < fenn> nobody drives in new york because there's so much traffic 20:44 < kanzure> all that data clogging up the tubes 20:44 < kanzure> yep.. not a pretty job, but someone's gotta unclog those tubes. 20:49 < fenn> "demand for semiconductors isn't that high" lol 21:53 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: time for sleep] 21:53 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwpioajveyzndjxn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:54 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@128.250.0.211] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:54 < ebowden> http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2018/03/06/ad-hominem-attacks-on-scientists-are-just-as-likely-to-undermine-public-faith-in-research-as-legitimate-empirical-critiques/ 21:55 < fenn> shocking 21:56 -!- CandleGlow [~CandleGlo@unaffiliated/candleglow] has quit [Quit: ...and all my responses they stay the same.] 21:57 < ebowden> What is shocking? 21:57 < fenn> that legitimate empirical critiques mean anything at all to the general public 21:58 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59 < ebowden> lol 22:08 < mrdata> well, this kind of says they dont mean anything 22:09 < mrdata> to general public 22:09 < mrdata> who cant see that ad hominem attacks are any different 22:55 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:02 -!- augur [~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:06 < ebowden> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17546-0 23:06 < ebowden> I wonder if this process could be utilised in protocols that enhance intelligence. 23:08 < fenn> what is the tl;dr --- Log closed Wed Mar 07 00:00:12 2018